| Should men compete with women 12:17 - Feb 6 with 2143 views | Darth_Koont |
In deciding about women’s sports?
Too soon? |  |
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| Should men compete with women on 13:36 - Feb 6 with 291 views | factual_blue |
| Should men compete with women on 12:46 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
It didn't get off to a great start with the transphobic thread title. Predictably when I pointed that out, Paz down arrowed me. We can add trans people to the list of minority groups that it's okay to say offensive things about in Pazland. |
Fortunately, Pazzer has one of the most secure places on my idiot list.
Not quite the most secure, but pretty damned secure. |  |
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| Should men compete with women on 13:38 - Feb 6 with 284 views | Guthrum |
| Should men compete with women on 13:29 - Feb 6 by lowhouseblue |
exactly - but there is still variation within those categories. there have been controversies about exactly where the limits are drawn. the article was arguing that medical differences amongst biological women may give some a physical advantage. that's undoubtedly true. it then said that letting people with XY chromosomes compete would be no different to that. i was just pointing out that variation within disability categories has never been seen as a justification to do away with the categorisation and open them up to others. |
Indeed. But the question is whether any physical advantages possessed by a trans woman would put them outside the normal range for elite cis woman athletes. If that were the case, one would expect them to be disproportionately successful. |  |
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| Should men compete with women on 13:39 - Feb 6 with 283 views | Darth_Koont |
Not so sure. I think that player safety is hugely important but think this is aimed at growing the sport and combating the perceptions that girls and women are now going to face significantly higher danger.
This idea of “grown men” maiming young girls and women is pure “feels not reals” territory – and an external prejudice World Rugby could and still should address without throwing trans athletes under the bus (in rugby, and other sports by making such a strong statement).
It also seems to misunderstand their own sport where there are already huge mismatches in size, speed and/or power in every game. | |
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| Should men compete with women on 13:41 - Feb 6 with 270 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Should men compete with women on 13:35 - Feb 6 by eireblue |
I think it was that person who tends to also be very wise, and it is very much worth following his advise when it comes to matters around diet and the ethics of animal exploitation and environmental impact.
Handsome devil as well, I have heard. |
He can't spell advice though. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Should men compete with women on 13:43 - Feb 6 with 262 views | eireblue |
| Should men compete with women on 13:41 - Feb 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He can't spell advice though. |
Yep thats the felow. |  | | |
| Should men compete with women on 13:47 - Feb 6 with 255 views | lowhouseblue |
| Should men compete with women on 13:39 - Feb 6 by Darth_Koont |
Not so sure. I think that player safety is hugely important but think this is aimed at growing the sport and combating the perceptions that girls and women are now going to face significantly higher danger.
This idea of “grown men” maiming young girls and women is pure “feels not reals” territory – and an external prejudice World Rugby could and still should address without throwing trans athletes under the bus (in rugby, and other sports by making such a strong statement).
It also seems to misunderstand their own sport where there are already huge mismatches in size, speed and/or power in every game. |
so rugby's not my thing and i claim no knowledge. i certainly know nothing about youth or club rugby and grass root participation. but i have the impression that at elite level physical frame (height, limb length etc) is, in some positions at least, significant. at an extreme i can see it having safety issues for others. and skeletal development and basic musculature isn't affected by testosterone blockers. so at elite level i can see the logic of their position. similarly at youth level i guess there may be issues about differing stages of physical development but i don't know. but the argument may well be different at the different levels of the sport. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Should men compete with women on 13:58 - Feb 6 with 230 views | Darth_Koont |
| Should men compete with women on 13:47 - Feb 6 by lowhouseblue |
so rugby's not my thing and i claim no knowledge. i certainly know nothing about youth or club rugby and grass root participation. but i have the impression that at elite level physical frame (height, limb length etc) is, in some positions at least, significant. at an extreme i can see it having safety issues for others. and skeletal development and basic musculature isn't affected by testosterone blockers. so at elite level i can see the logic of their position. similarly at youth level i guess there may be issues about differing stages of physical development but i don't know. but the argument may well be different at the different levels of the sport. |
Yes but with fair restrictions and a common sense approach this could have been resolved, I have no doubt.
I think it was a decision that was inevitable once they decided that the PR aspect and the wider perceptions of rugby safety was the most important thing.
Personally, I think continuing and underlining the respect and inclusivity (race, sexuality) that rugby’s been excellent at should have been the approach. While trying to sanitise on safety seems to bring the issue of safety to the fore rather than diminish it. | |
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| Should men compete with women on 14:00 - Feb 6 with 229 views | J2BLUE |
| Should men compete with women on 13:35 - Feb 6 by eireblue |
I think it was that person who tends to also be very wise, and it is very much worth following his advise when it comes to matters around diet and the ethics of animal exploitation and environmental impact.
Handsome devil as well, I have heard. |
Cheers Callis. |  |
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| Should men compete with women on 14:44 - Feb 6 with 199 views | Ryorry |
| Should men compete with women on 13:39 - Feb 6 by Darth_Koont |
Not so sure. I think that player safety is hugely important but think this is aimed at growing the sport and combating the perceptions that girls and women are now going to face significantly higher danger.
This idea of “grown men” maiming young girls and women is pure “feels not reals” territory – and an external prejudice World Rugby could and still should address without throwing trans athletes under the bus (in rugby, and other sports by making such a strong statement).
It also seems to misunderstand their own sport where there are already huge mismatches in size, speed and/or power in every game. |
Didn't see previous thread, so apols, but were the disagreements purely about the game on the pitch or also about issues re dressing-rooms, toilets & safety there? |  |
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