| Here we go again 19:27 - Mar 14 with 5198 views | GlasgowBlue |
If there was ever a move that will alienate a large percentage of the population against what you are protesting over then this is it. |  |
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| Here we go again on 09:02 - Mar 16 with 887 views | giant_stow |
| Here we go again on 08:56 - Mar 16 by Darth_Koont |
Really doesn’t look like it to me. Which does matter given how protest in the UK is being delegitimized and threatened. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:58]
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But the only opinion I'm attaching to my comments is 'we're not sure what actually happened'. I don't see how that's offensive or counter to a cause I agree with.
If we can only speak in partisan tones, we devalue our voice. Be fair! |  |
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| Here we go again on 09:10 - Mar 16 with 871 views | Darth_Koont |
| Here we go again on 09:02 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
But the only opinion I'm attaching to my comments is 'we're not sure what actually happened'. I don't see how that's offensive or counter to a cause I agree with.
If we can only speak in partisan tones, we devalue our voice. Be fair! |
Nah. Not buying it. You’ve even edited the post to add an additional and unconnected smear.
I already know that there are will be some bad faith actors on both sides of any major issue. You don’t need to keep confirming it. |  |
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| Here we go again on 09:17 - Mar 16 with 850 views | lowhouseblue |
| Here we go again on 08:39 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
Don't shoot the messenger darth. I'll be honest: I winced when I read lowhouse's comment for the first time, but then i went twitter travelling and read comments from women who said they were there for the vigil but left because of the behaviour of some men. They could be fantasists, but I really think this is one where you had to be there to know the truth. |
you only needed to view the videos. same old, same old. a nasty group who always turn up and who's behaviour undermines the legitimate protests of others. |  |
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| Here we go again on 09:18 - Mar 16 with 849 views | giant_stow |
| Here we go again on 09:10 - Mar 16 by Darth_Koont |
Nah. Not buying it. You’ve even edited the post to add an additional and unconnected smear.
I already know that there are will be some bad faith actors on both sides of any major issue. You don’t need to keep confirming it. |
I suggest you read up on that Twitter thread some more - to write off one a woman's expeirence of a man as smears is very unbecoming. Check his twitter - he admits and apologises for his behaviour.
bad faith actors hey? Like i said, don't let your partisanship blind you to truth. | |
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| Here we go again on 09:26 - Mar 16 with 825 views | Darth_Koont |
| Here we go again on 09:18 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
I suggest you read up on that Twitter thread some more - to write off one a woman's expeirence of a man as smears is very unbecoming. Check his twitter - he admits and apologises for his behaviour.
bad faith actors hey? Like i said, don't let your partisanship blind you to truth. |
Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying she is smearing him. That should be looked at seriously on its own terms.
I’m saying you are looking to smear and delegitimize the protest. | |
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| Here we go again on 09:30 - Mar 16 with 816 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Here we go again on 09:44 - Mar 15 by Darth_Koont |
As a father of three daughters, you should probably stop throwing women under the bus to score political points. |
I’m not having that Koonters. I dint want to live in a world where my teenage daughters can’t walk home from their friends at night. Or my wife can’t exercise in certain areas after dark as I can.
Until you came onto this thread people were discussing things in a respectful manner. Then you jump in with your massive grudge against me and try to twist what I posted for your own agenda.
Look I know you hold me responsible for playing a part in the your imaginary Israel lobby’ smear campaign to discredit Jeremy Corbyn (antisemitic trope alert) but there is a certain irony in you accusing me of throwing women under the bus whilst defending to the max Nicola Sturgeon’s handling of sex allegations (another cover up reported over the weekend) and your constant attempts to delegitimise complaints of misogynistic antisemitic abuse received by Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger, who were referred to as “sh1t-stirring cum buckets bought and paid for by Israel”.
You’re a rank hypocrite. You are a supporter of womens rights, except for when they are Jewish or the victims of abuse that may be inconvenient to your political beliefs.
In every thread on the subject of reclaim the streets I have done nothing but give 100% support to the cause they are fighting for and condemned the actions of the Met on Saturday night.
I linked a story about Churchill statue being protected with the view that that sort of thing will do nothing but alienate people from a very worthwhile cause. I didn’t say that the women protesting were instigating an attack in the Churchill statue. Having seen men there with “Free Asange” banners (oh the irony) I don’t doubt that the usual rent-a-mob have tagged along for their own agenda.
Are you a passionate supporter of Ipswich Town FC? Do you support hoolies who have no interest in Ipswich or football who go along to cause trouble or do you condemn them, believing that they will give the club a bad name? If you di then I certainly wouldn’t accuse you of throwing football supporters under the bus.
And one last point. You accused me of linking a story from a right wing media outlet. It isn’t. It’s an outlet that simply tweets news stories as they come in. On the same night they tweeted stories from Evolve, the guardian, the mirror etc. Whereas the that you came back with was from a novara media blogger (oh the irony of being accused of linking biased media). It was a tweet taking some time after the crowds had dispersed. And yet you have the nerve to accuse me of linking misleading videos. | |
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| Here we go again on 09:33 - Mar 16 with 806 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Here we go again on 09:18 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
I suggest you read up on that Twitter thread some more - to write off one a woman's expeirence of a man as smears is very unbecoming. Check his twitter - he admits and apologises for his behaviour.
bad faith actors hey? Like i said, don't let your partisanship blind you to truth. |
Koonters only cares about women’s rights when they don’t inconvenience his political views.
He’s been doing it on here for years. When Luciana Berger was recovering misogynistic and antisemitic abuse he said “I don’t trust her”
He’s a left wing Paz. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:37]
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| Here we go again on 09:34 - Mar 16 with 802 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Here we go again on 09:30 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m not having that Koonters. I dint want to live in a world where my teenage daughters can’t walk home from their friends at night. Or my wife can’t exercise in certain areas after dark as I can.
Until you came onto this thread people were discussing things in a respectful manner. Then you jump in with your massive grudge against me and try to twist what I posted for your own agenda.
Look I know you hold me responsible for playing a part in the your imaginary Israel lobby’ smear campaign to discredit Jeremy Corbyn (antisemitic trope alert) but there is a certain irony in you accusing me of throwing women under the bus whilst defending to the max Nicola Sturgeon’s handling of sex allegations (another cover up reported over the weekend) and your constant attempts to delegitimise complaints of misogynistic antisemitic abuse received by Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger, who were referred to as “sh1t-stirring cum buckets bought and paid for by Israel”.
You’re a rank hypocrite. You are a supporter of womens rights, except for when they are Jewish or the victims of abuse that may be inconvenient to your political beliefs.
In every thread on the subject of reclaim the streets I have done nothing but give 100% support to the cause they are fighting for and condemned the actions of the Met on Saturday night.
I linked a story about Churchill statue being protected with the view that that sort of thing will do nothing but alienate people from a very worthwhile cause. I didn’t say that the women protesting were instigating an attack in the Churchill statue. Having seen men there with “Free Asange” banners (oh the irony) I don’t doubt that the usual rent-a-mob have tagged along for their own agenda.
Are you a passionate supporter of Ipswich Town FC? Do you support hoolies who have no interest in Ipswich or football who go along to cause trouble or do you condemn them, believing that they will give the club a bad name? If you di then I certainly wouldn’t accuse you of throwing football supporters under the bus.
And one last point. You accused me of linking a story from a right wing media outlet. It isn’t. It’s an outlet that simply tweets news stories as they come in. On the same night they tweeted stories from Evolve, the guardian, the mirror etc. Whereas the that you came back with was from a novara media blogger (oh the irony of being accused of linking biased media). It was a tweet taking some time after the crowds had dispersed. And yet you have the nerve to accuse me of linking misleading videos. |
"I linked a story about Churchill statue being protected with the view that that sort of thing will do nothing but alienate people from a very worthwhile cause."
What sort of thing? |  |
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| Here we go again on 09:34 - Mar 16 with 801 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Here we go again on 09:26 - Mar 16 by Darth_Koont |
Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying she is smearing him. That should be looked at seriously on its own terms.
I’m saying you are looking to smear and delegitimize the protest. |
No he’s not. He doesn’t want the usual suspects high jacking the protest and doing it harm. | |
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| Here we go again on 09:35 - Mar 16 with 801 views | lowhouseblue |
| Here we go again on 09:26 - Mar 16 by Darth_Koont |
Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying she is smearing him. That should be looked at seriously on its own terms.
I’m saying you are looking to smear and delegitimize the protest. |
everyone on this thread has said that the protest is legitimate and important. the only people who have damaged the protest is the nasty group of far left thugs who turn up at every protest in central london seeking a confrontation with the police. why do you always defend them? are you really so tribal that the fact they come with the tag 'left' means you can't criticise them? | |
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| Here we go again on 09:37 - Mar 16 with 794 views | GunnsAirkick |
| Here we go again on 08:39 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
Don't shoot the messenger darth. I'll be honest: I winced when I read lowhouse's comment for the first time, but then i went twitter travelling and read comments from women who said they were there for the vigil but left because of the behaviour of some men. They could be fantasists, but I really think this is one where you had to be there to know the truth. |
The SWP were there in numbers (as they always are at any protest) and they're well known as sexual assault apologists. It's pretty scummy for them to have turned up at all and it made some women there feel uncomfortable from what I can see on Twitter.
This is not a defence of posting officers in front of the Churchill statue. I think the actions of posting female officers in front of it is pure culture war nonsense and really shouldn't be a priority, but there are some nasty pieces of work on the left as well as the right and to pretend otherwise is just plain daft.
More here for those not aware, do think twice if they try to hand you a placard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(UK)#Internal_crisis_in_20 [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:38]
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| Here we go again on 09:42 - Mar 16 with 775 views | Darth_Koont |
| Here we go again on 09:30 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m not having that Koonters. I dint want to live in a world where my teenage daughters can’t walk home from their friends at night. Or my wife can’t exercise in certain areas after dark as I can.
Until you came onto this thread people were discussing things in a respectful manner. Then you jump in with your massive grudge against me and try to twist what I posted for your own agenda.
Look I know you hold me responsible for playing a part in the your imaginary Israel lobby’ smear campaign to discredit Jeremy Corbyn (antisemitic trope alert) but there is a certain irony in you accusing me of throwing women under the bus whilst defending to the max Nicola Sturgeon’s handling of sex allegations (another cover up reported over the weekend) and your constant attempts to delegitimise complaints of misogynistic antisemitic abuse received by Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger, who were referred to as “sh1t-stirring cum buckets bought and paid for by Israel”.
You’re a rank hypocrite. You are a supporter of womens rights, except for when they are Jewish or the victims of abuse that may be inconvenient to your political beliefs.
In every thread on the subject of reclaim the streets I have done nothing but give 100% support to the cause they are fighting for and condemned the actions of the Met on Saturday night.
I linked a story about Churchill statue being protected with the view that that sort of thing will do nothing but alienate people from a very worthwhile cause. I didn’t say that the women protesting were instigating an attack in the Churchill statue. Having seen men there with “Free Asange” banners (oh the irony) I don’t doubt that the usual rent-a-mob have tagged along for their own agenda.
Are you a passionate supporter of Ipswich Town FC? Do you support hoolies who have no interest in Ipswich or football who go along to cause trouble or do you condemn them, believing that they will give the club a bad name? If you di then I certainly wouldn’t accuse you of throwing football supporters under the bus.
And one last point. You accused me of linking a story from a right wing media outlet. It isn’t. It’s an outlet that simply tweets news stories as they come in. On the same night they tweeted stories from Evolve, the guardian, the mirror etc. Whereas the that you came back with was from a novara media blogger (oh the irony of being accused of linking biased media). It was a tweet taking some time after the crowds had dispersed. And yet you have the nerve to accuse me of linking misleading videos. |
And here he is ... Mr. Bad Faith himself.
Spare me the self-righteous, offended bullsh!t. | |
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| Here we go again on 09:45 - Mar 16 with 765 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Here we go again on 09:35 - Mar 16 by lowhouseblue |
everyone on this thread has said that the protest is legitimate and important. the only people who have damaged the protest is the nasty group of far left thugs who turn up at every protest in central london seeking a confrontation with the police. why do you always defend them? are you really so tribal that the fact they come with the tag 'left' means you can't criticise them? |
Really? Four arrests out of hundreds protesting, and 3 of those were for coronavirus breaches. Doesn't sound like a "nasty group of far left thugs" to me.
This is a rights grab bill that is against the interests of everyone. Do you realise this bill means that you don't have to actually cause any harm or annoyance to be arrested and face up to 10 years in jail? The police only need to think there's a possible risk of causing annoyance. It's madness. I'm surprised there aren't far more people up in arms over it. |  |
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| Here we go again on 09:45 - Mar 16 with 765 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Here we go again on 09:37 - Mar 16 by GunnsAirkick |
The SWP were there in numbers (as they always are at any protest) and they're well known as sexual assault apologists. It's pretty scummy for them to have turned up at all and it made some women there feel uncomfortable from what I can see on Twitter.
This is not a defence of posting officers in front of the Churchill statue. I think the actions of posting female officers in front of it is pure culture war nonsense and really shouldn't be a priority, but there are some nasty pieces of work on the left as well as the right and to pretend otherwise is just plain daft.
More here for those not aware, do think twice if they try to hand you a placard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(UK)#Internal_crisis_in_20 [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:38]
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The same thing happened to me the “Refugees Are Welcome” march at Westminster in 2016. It was a peaceful rally organised by Refugee Action. We had banners with positive messages and a variety of speakers. There was a SWO presence who were handing out generic “Tories Are Nazis” banners. They weren’t interested in a refugee Action.
I’m sure they put off a lot of decent people who just wanted to highlight the plight of refugees. | |
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| Here we go again on 09:46 - Mar 16 with 763 views | giant_stow |
| Here we go again on 09:37 - Mar 16 by GunnsAirkick |
The SWP were there in numbers (as they always are at any protest) and they're well known as sexual assault apologists. It's pretty scummy for them to have turned up at all and it made some women there feel uncomfortable from what I can see on Twitter.
This is not a defence of posting officers in front of the Churchill statue. I think the actions of posting female officers in front of it is pure culture war nonsense and really shouldn't be a priority, but there are some nasty pieces of work on the left as well as the right and to pretend otherwise is just plain daft.
More here for those not aware, do think twice if they try to hand you a placard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(UK)#Internal_crisis_in_20 [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:38]
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Balanced stuff and thanks for the link - shocking. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:47]
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| Here we go again on 09:57 - Mar 16 with 740 views | Darth_Koont |
| Here we go again on 09:33 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Koonters only cares about women’s rights when they don’t inconvenience his political views.
He’s been doing it on here for years. When Luciana Berger was recovering misogynistic and antisemitic abuse he said “I don’t trust her”
He’s a left wing Paz. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:37]
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Here we go again indeed.
I said it was appalling that Berger was getting antisemitic abuse and death threats from the far right. Any abuse she was getting from those on the left is abhorrent too.
But no, on Labour antisemitism, I don’t trust her because of how she presented stuff that is in the public record. She clearly became far too invested in the factionalism and I’m glad she’s not a Labour MP anymore on those grounds.
https://medium.com/@pitt_bob/has-the-labour-left-subjected-luciana-berger-to-hat | |
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| Here we go again on 09:57 - Mar 16 with 737 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Here we go again on 09:18 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
I suggest you read up on that Twitter thread some more - to write off one a woman's expeirence of a man as smears is very unbecoming. Check his twitter - he admits and apologises for his behaviour.
bad faith actors hey? Like i said, don't let your partisanship blind you to truth. |
Quite. Unless you're there it's hard to know. On the one hand there was 1 reported arrest for violence in a crowd of hundreds. On the other there are some crusties on videos that people don't like the look of. There may have been some trouble makers there for all we know, but they didn't cause much trouble based on the arrests. Judge people by their actions. | |
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| Here we go again on 10:02 - Mar 16 with 720 views | monytowbray |
| Here we go again on 08:25 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
I went down some twitter rabbit holes last night and many women were saying the same as lowhouse: that there were men there with other causes and more violent intent than was appropriate for a vigil.
Who knows what the truth was, but I'd keep an open mind unless you were there.
Edit: during my twitter journey, I also came across this exchange. Beware of w@nker say-the-right-things men:
Edit 2: that was in response to this:
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I just speak to my friends who went and watched their videos as I attend protests like this and speak to people involved often.
You should try it if you are really as progressive as you claim. |  |
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| Here we go again on 10:06 - Mar 16 with 714 views | monytowbray |
| Here we go again on 08:35 - Mar 16 by wkj |
All the political point scoring around this horrific chain of events is utterly disgusting - a young woman needlessly lost her life, that is where the outrage and disdain should begin and end - over analyses and positioning a bias by wanna be journalists on Social Media is the mark of a weak and maladjusted society. |
What’s it like having no grasp on the history of feminism but still feeling your p1sspoor straight white male opinion is worth listening to? | |
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| Here we go again on 10:09 - Mar 16 with 697 views | monytowbray |
| Here we go again on 09:35 - Mar 16 by lowhouseblue |
everyone on this thread has said that the protest is legitimate and important. the only people who have damaged the protest is the nasty group of far left thugs who turn up at every protest in central london seeking a confrontation with the police. why do you always defend them? are you really so tribal that the fact they come with the tag 'left' means you can't criticise them? |
“I’m not sexist but...” | |
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| Here we go again on 10:13 - Mar 16 with 692 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Here we go again on 09:57 - Mar 16 by Darth_Koont |
Here we go again indeed.
I said it was appalling that Berger was getting antisemitic abuse and death threats from the far right. Any abuse she was getting from those on the left is abhorrent too.
But no, on Labour antisemitism, I don’t trust her because of how she presented stuff that is in the public record. She clearly became far too invested in the factionalism and I’m glad she’s not a Labour MP anymore on those grounds.
https://medium.com/@pitt_bob/has-the-labour-left-subjected-luciana-berger-to-hat |
You’ve been found out again koonters. We’ve gone from the right “kind of Jews” to the “right kind of women”.
Your care for either depends on whether they align to your fanatical views. You’re a fraud and you’ve been found out in this thread. Crawl back under your rock. | |
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| Here we go again on 10:16 - Mar 16 with 685 views | monytowbray |
| Here we go again on 10:13 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
You’ve been found out again koonters. We’ve gone from the right “kind of Jews” to the “right kind of women”.
Your care for either depends on whether they align to your fanatical views. You’re a fraud and you’ve been found out in this thread. Crawl back under your rock. |
Where has be said anything close to that?
Jesus. | |
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| Here we go again on 10:26 - Mar 16 with 668 views | giant_stow |
| Here we go again on 10:06 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
What’s it like having no grasp on the history of feminism but still feeling your p1sspoor straight white male opinion is worth listening to? |
Did you mean that for wkj? Seems harsh - his/her point was a fair comment on all of us.
re your comment to me, what did you mates who were there say about it all? Genuinely interested...
(I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to be ‘progressive’ or applied any labels / declared my clan, as I don’t have one — for the little its worth) | |
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| Here we go again on 10:29 - Mar 16 with 664 views | monytowbray |
| Here we go again on 10:26 - Mar 16 by giant_stow |
Did you mean that for wkj? Seems harsh - his/her point was a fair comment on all of us.
re your comment to me, what did you mates who were there say about it all? Genuinely interested...
(I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to be ‘progressive’ or applied any labels / declared my clan, as I don’t have one — for the little its worth) |
It was peaceful and the police aggression was the catalyst to issues.
These are issues that first bubbled to the surface in the 1970s for women’s rights that are still unaddressed. If I were a woman I’d probably be a bit fed up of being told how I should feel or act by men too. | |
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| Here we go again on 10:35 - Mar 16 with 637 views | giant_stow |
| Here we go again on 10:29 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
It was peaceful and the police aggression was the catalyst to issues.
These are issues that first bubbled to the surface in the 1970s for women’s rights that are still unaddressed. If I were a woman I’d probably be a bit fed up of being told how I should feel or act by men too. |
Yeap, I would be too. | |
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