| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:51 - Mar 23 with 1825 views | SpruceMoose |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:43 - Mar 23 by MattinLondon |
I think policing in the UK is much more transparent and held to account more than most countries - even compared to the US (I think I’m correct on this).
But no, you’re right things could be much much better. |
Agree Matt, the police here are on another level entirely.
I said to Footers in text earlier, I'm a reasonably affluent rather solid white bloke and every single interaction I've had with police here, even in passing, from being a passenger in an Uber when the driver was pulled over for making an illegal turn to having to call the cops for a mentally distressed neighbour has been nothing less that menacing.
Christ knows how minorities and women must feel when they need assistance or are caught up in passing. |  |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:51 - Mar 23 with 1825 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:47 - Mar 23 by BlueNomad |
We have arrived at common ground at last |
The ground we reached is a conclusion based on evidence in the OP.
It's a shame so many people put up black and white barriers to finding that conclusion by automatically believing copaganda. |  |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:54 - Mar 23 with 1805 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:51 - Mar 23 by SpruceMoose |
Agree Matt, the police here are on another level entirely.
I said to Footers in text earlier, I'm a reasonably affluent rather solid white bloke and every single interaction I've had with police here, even in passing, from being a passenger in an Uber when the driver was pulled over for making an illegal turn to having to call the cops for a mentally distressed neighbour has been nothing less that menacing.
Christ knows how minorities and women must feel when they need assistance or are caught up in passing. |
The USA is a weird mirror of Britain. People often say it's a bats**t place and they are correct, but fail to note we face similar issues at home on smaller scales and the USA is where we end up if we don't sort it. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:56 - Mar 23 with 1796 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:51 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
The ground we reached is a conclusion based on evidence in the OP.
It's a shame so many people put up black and white barriers to finding that conclusion by automatically believing copaganda. |
One day, with a little maturity, you may learn that in order to share views and influence (or even educate people) you need to engage and listen, understand other opinions and find a non-confrontational way of sharing information.
As opposed to proclaiming that you know best, everyone else is wrong and just keep shouting which leads people to just hear "noise" rather than anything of substance. |  | | |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:04 - Mar 23 with 1781 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:56 - Mar 23 by PassionNotAnger |
One day, with a little maturity, you may learn that in order to share views and influence (or even educate people) you need to engage and listen, understand other opinions and find a non-confrontational way of sharing information.
As opposed to proclaiming that you know best, everyone else is wrong and just keep shouting which leads people to just hear "noise" rather than anything of substance. |
That's an interesting and deflective way to say "I agree and you are correct", I suggest some drugs that induce ego death and you may get over it. Are you Rommers?!
I'd like to see where in this thread I've done any of what you mentioned? The "BUT CALLIS SAID IT SO I MUST NOT AGREE" ship sailed for more sensible posters long ago. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 14:05]
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:42 - Mar 23 with 1728 views | MattinLondon |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:54 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
The USA is a weird mirror of Britain. People often say it's a bats**t place and they are correct, but fail to note we face similar issues at home on smaller scales and the USA is where we end up if we don't sort it. |
Yep. On a very optimistic footing, what with the US voting out Trump, I’m hoping that this may well prove to be one of the nails in this governments coffin and we will be seeing an end to its populist bull s**t.
I know that this is optimistic to the point that it won’t happen. Boris and his band of charlatans are still as popular as ever with their lapdog supporters. |  | | |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:46 - Mar 23 with 1720 views | MattinLondon |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:51 - Mar 23 by SpruceMoose |
Agree Matt, the police here are on another level entirely.
I said to Footers in text earlier, I'm a reasonably affluent rather solid white bloke and every single interaction I've had with police here, even in passing, from being a passenger in an Uber when the driver was pulled over for making an illegal turn to having to call the cops for a mentally distressed neighbour has been nothing less that menacing.
Christ knows how minorities and women must feel when they need assistance or are caught up in passing. |
One question I always mean to ask you (hoping that you don’t mind). Your political views seem to be left-of-centre when compared to the majority of UK voters.
How do you find that your views differ, or not, to mainstream Americans? Do they think you’re a tad more leftist than many British voters would, or would you say you fit in more the less the same regardless of what side of the Atlantic you happen to be on.
Hope you don’t mind me asking. | | | |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:54 - Mar 23 with 1694 views | longtimefan |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:03 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
As previously mentioned, most Good Cops tend to end up handing their badge in.
Much like the military, our instant hero worship of a perfect career choice for people (mostly white and male) who enjoy violence and power really needs a reality check. |
I’d like to see you back up that statement that most good officers leave. I bet you can’t. Here’s a starter to suggest you’re completely wrong unless to really believe only 6% of police officers are good.
“ The police had the highest retention rate in the public sector, with 94% remaining as police officers between 2016 and 2017. The police were closely followed by nurses and midwives, and heads of educational establishments; both occupations had retention rates of 92%.”
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/art | | | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:54 - Mar 23 with 1694 views | BlueNomad |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 13:51 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
The ground we reached is a conclusion based on evidence in the OP.
It's a shame so many people put up black and white barriers to finding that conclusion by automatically believing copaganda. |
I will conclude by saying that I hope my daughter, who is in the Met, will be ok when she goes to work tonight. I'm sure that reading what has been said on here would really make her feel good. That is all. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 14:58]
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:04 - Mar 23 with 1667 views | longtimefan |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:54 - Mar 23 by BlueNomad |
I will conclude by saying that I hope my daughter, who is in the Met, will be ok when she goes to work tonight. I'm sure that reading what has been said on here would really make her feel good. That is all. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 14:58]
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Indeed. I’m sure my brother (now retired) who was stabbed while trying to protect someone from a drug user off his head, will feel equally good! | | | |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:16 - Mar 23 with 1645 views | SpruceMoose |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:54 - Mar 23 by BlueNomad |
I will conclude by saying that I hope my daughter, who is in the Met, will be ok when she goes to work tonight. I'm sure that reading what has been said on here would really make her feel good. That is all. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 14:58]
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I hope she is ok too. These emotional appeals don't really help further the discussion to be honest though. I'm sure those killed by police illegally will hope that the officers going on duty tonight don't kill anyone else too. Pointing that out achieves nothing. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:26 - Mar 23 with 1630 views | J2BLUE |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:04 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
That's an interesting and deflective way to say "I agree and you are correct", I suggest some drugs that induce ego death and you may get over it. Are you Rommers?!
I'd like to see where in this thread I've done any of what you mentioned? The "BUT CALLIS SAID IT SO I MUST NOT AGREE" ship sailed for more sensible posters long ago. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 14:05]
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It's your entire attitude which pisses people off. You never used to be so full on. Most people would agree with much of what you say but it's the delivery and attitude. I know you don't like it when people say that but you're like the sixth former who has suddenly realised there is a world out there and wants to rebel against something. Your something is literally everything. Then you come on here and present it as if no one has ever thought of it before and everyone except you is some sort of idiot.
Then, of course, the why always me routine when you inevitably get some pushback.
I await the hilarious reply in capitals and the cherry picked meme proving everything i've said is BS. |  |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:29 - Mar 23 with 1623 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:42 - Mar 23 by MattinLondon |
Yep. On a very optimistic footing, what with the US voting out Trump, I’m hoping that this may well prove to be one of the nails in this governments coffin and we will be seeing an end to its populist bull s**t.
I know that this is optimistic to the point that it won’t happen. Boris and his band of charlatans are still as popular as ever with their lapdog supporters. |
I think part of the problem is we are a naturally obedient nation through habit, whereas the USA has always had a higher presence of anti-government sentiment on all sides of the political spectrum for differing reasons. It was a nation b̶u̶i̶l̶t̶ STOLEN on the premise of the government having less say/control of the individual.
I was listening to a podcast on the history of Mormonism recently (when did I get so cool?) and I didn't realise how big the concept of a nation having no designated religion from powers-that-be was at the time. It's argued Mormonism is a product very much of that time and place, and likely couldn't have happened in any other environment/time.
I think the middle ground is France, if we can learn to action protests and think in the same way we'd do a lot to stick it to these crooks in charge. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:32 - Mar 23 with 1615 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:54 - Mar 23 by longtimefan |
I’d like to see you back up that statement that most good officers leave. I bet you can’t. Here’s a starter to suggest you’re completely wrong unless to really believe only 6% of police officers are good.
“ The police had the highest retention rate in the public sector, with 94% remaining as police officers between 2016 and 2017. The police were closely followed by nurses and midwives, and heads of educational establishments; both occupations had retention rates of 92%.”
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/art |
I fully believe that if only <6% of the force out of protest then yes, that's a big % of compliant people in the force. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:33 - Mar 23 with 1608 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 14:54 - Mar 23 by BlueNomad |
I will conclude by saying that I hope my daughter, who is in the Met, will be ok when she goes to work tonight. I'm sure that reading what has been said on here would really make her feel good. That is all. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 14:58]
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I'd wish her safety too.
Criticising institutional corruption should be of much interest to her if she's one of the good'uns. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:38 - Mar 23 with 1596 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:26 - Mar 23 by J2BLUE |
It's your entire attitude which pisses people off. You never used to be so full on. Most people would agree with much of what you say but it's the delivery and attitude. I know you don't like it when people say that but you're like the sixth former who has suddenly realised there is a world out there and wants to rebel against something. Your something is literally everything. Then you come on here and present it as if no one has ever thought of it before and everyone except you is some sort of idiot.
Then, of course, the why always me routine when you inevitably get some pushback.
I await the hilarious reply in capitals and the cherry picked meme proving everything i've said is BS. |
"You never used to be so full on."
B0llocks though, isn't it? 2 months ago you and Rommers were claiming I'd chilled out. Stick with one narrative, don't change them to suit your needs.
The rest is just made-up nonsense about my character. When have I ever claimed my thoughts are new and original?
You can go for the ball or the player when you debate me, the latter always ends in the same old cr@p like this. It's boring for all involved, me included. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:40 - Mar 23 with 1594 views | J2BLUE |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:38 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
"You never used to be so full on."
B0llocks though, isn't it? 2 months ago you and Rommers were claiming I'd chilled out. Stick with one narrative, don't change them to suit your needs.
The rest is just made-up nonsense about my character. When have I ever claimed my thoughts are new and original?
You can go for the ball or the player when you debate me, the latter always ends in the same old cr@p like this. It's boring for all involved, me included. |
You had for a while, mainly on veganism.
The rest is accurate. You look at something, pick the most extreme opinion possible (the only one you seem to think is valid) and then refuse to give an inch. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:47 - Mar 23 with 1573 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:40 - Mar 23 by J2BLUE |
You had for a while, mainly on veganism.
The rest is accurate. You look at something, pick the most extreme opinion possible (the only one you seem to think is valid) and then refuse to give an inch. |
I make my opinions and share them backed with evidence, opinion, basis and fact.
I expect the same back, and I reply to points with counterpoints.
That's called debate, it's not my problem if you get so upset I disagree. Stop projecting.
And the vegan debate I never chilled on, the debate shifted. Plenty of evidence of that. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:48 - Mar 23 with 1565 views | J2BLUE |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:47 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
I make my opinions and share them backed with evidence, opinion, basis and fact.
I expect the same back, and I reply to points with counterpoints.
That's called debate, it's not my problem if you get so upset I disagree. Stop projecting.
And the vegan debate I never chilled on, the debate shifted. Plenty of evidence of that. |
Meh, everyone else can make up their own minds who is right. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:51 - Mar 23 with 1563 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:47 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
I make my opinions and share them backed with evidence, opinion, basis and fact.
I expect the same back, and I reply to points with counterpoints.
That's called debate, it's not my problem if you get so upset I disagree. Stop projecting.
And the vegan debate I never chilled on, the debate shifted. Plenty of evidence of that. |
What are your thoughts on policing thefts?
In a past thread you have implied that you steal from Tesco’s. Have you have ever had any run-ins with the Police on that? | | | |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:54 - Mar 23 with 1547 views | J2BLUE |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:51 - Mar 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
What are your thoughts on policing thefts?
In a past thread you have implied that you steal from Tesco’s. Have you have ever had any run-ins with the Police on that? |
No that's fine, obviously. Like not paying for train rides. It's all fine. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:54 - Mar 23 with 1545 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:48 - Mar 23 by J2BLUE |
Meh, everyone else can make up their own minds who is right. |
They can, I don't care.
Have you ever wondered if the onus is maybe on others to convince me I am wrong? Plenty of evidence I will admit it when I am, despite the usual nonsense and b0llocks. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 16:01 - Mar 23 with 1511 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:51 - Mar 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
What are your thoughts on policing thefts?
In a past thread you have implied that you steal from Tesco’s. Have you have ever had any run-ins with the Police on that? |
Depends what you define as "theft", doesn't it?
Does Tesco steal land on the cheap and bank land for shops?
Do those Tesco shops then cause closure of local businesses which results in money for the community being stolen into a monopoly of 4-6 corporations with a handful of bosses?
Due to the damage done to the community and a need for work does Tesco then steal that labour at a minimum wage rate so people can't afford to shop anywhere but Tesco?
Do Tesco purposely delay payment to suppliers to steal interest for themselves?
Do Tesco continually steal money from the pockets of their suppliers by forcing lower and lower payments on goods?
In that regard, how should we even define "theft", let alone police it? | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 16:04 - Mar 23 with 1500 views | monytowbray |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 15:54 - Mar 23 by J2BLUE |
No that's fine, obviously. Like not paying for train rides. It's all fine. |
Again, until someone can convince me paying money into the pockets of monopolised shareholders for unavoidable infrastructure for the greater good of society why should I budge?
Onus is on you, I've formed that opinion based on evidence and discussion, so provide the opposite. | |
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| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 16:07 - Mar 23 with 1486 views | J2BLUE |
| Some points of note for those who defend the police or assume they're saints... on 16:04 - Mar 23 by monytowbray |
Again, until someone can convince me paying money into the pockets of monopolised shareholders for unavoidable infrastructure for the greater good of society why should I budge?
Onus is on you, I've formed that opinion based on evidence and discussion, so provide the opposite. |
You're presenting yourself as a warrior for justice when in reality it's a convenient excuse because you just don't want to pay. All sorts of ethical choices you could make instead but you choose to steal. Assuming theft is also against your morals what justification do you have for stealing rather than shopping ethically? Buy directly from suppliers or buy from companies who do good with their profits. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 16:12]
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