| Honest opinion 11:15 - Aug 22 with 3841 views | phillev231069 |
on our coaching staff, is it good enough? Just thought I would ask the question. I know some may reply that time will tell which is a fair and valid argument but I for one think more experience is needed as regards tactics especially in defence and midfield covering of the same. |  | | |  |
| Honest opinion on 17:32 - Aug 22 with 655 views | itfcjoe |
| Honest opinion on 17:14 - Aug 22 by Keaneish |
Ive not stated it to be controversial just putting another perspective out to try and keep the thread balanced. We’ve had a litany of coaches and managers over the years with all the badges under the sun and it’s achieved little of note. Dressing rooms and training grounds are about experience, expertise and camaraderie. The reality is, if you’ve been a player for a long time, you’ve been around a lot of coaches and learnt a lot, arguably as much as you could get through doing coaching badges.
Let’s make a judgement later in the season, maybe October / November time. |
It sounds mental to suggest that we haven’t had luck with qualified coaches so let’s get some unqualified coaches. And personally think it’s pretty disrespectful and without being blunt, totally wrong, to suggest that just by being around football you learn as much as you would on badges anyway - players with a desire to coach, including very top players do these whilst they are still playing - showing the desire and ethic to do it.
Coaching is a profession, not just something people can rock up and do |  |
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| Honest opinion on 17:38 - Aug 22 with 643 views | Mullet |
| Honest opinion on 15:30 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think people thinking that having 2 coaches out of 3 without their badges may be too inexperienced is a particularly controversial viewpoint.
If these jobs were recruited on open market then they wouldn’t have even got past the CV stage - when Richardson got the assistant job to Cook at 32 he already had his pro licence and was doing a physiotherapy degree. Roberts at 36/37 has nothing, Craney in his 40s started and quit them
In the new ultra professional approach it seems there is from Ashton’s side it’s massively out of kilter |
It also ties in with what I heard about the way the ownership want to do things going forward. |  |
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| Honest opinion on 17:38 - Aug 22 with 633 views | chrismakin |
| Honest opinion on 17:32 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
It sounds mental to suggest that we haven’t had luck with qualified coaches so let’s get some unqualified coaches. And personally think it’s pretty disrespectful and without being blunt, totally wrong, to suggest that just by being around football you learn as much as you would on badges anyway - players with a desire to coach, including very top players do these whilst they are still playing - showing the desire and ethic to do it.
Coaching is a profession, not just something people can rock up and do |
Joe won't see this as he has me on ignore
But what is defined as qualified?
I paid for and completed the works to achieve a certain level of fa coaching certication. With it I'd be able to apply to league 1 clubs. Does that make me better than someone who's played the level for 20 odd years? No. Am I good coach fk no. But I got it. He also forgets he put forward chambers as a potential coaching option a few months back so not sure what the difference is between Roberts and Chambers.
PCs past coaches he brought in are now are higher level clubs but started with him. |  |
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| Honest opinion on 18:03 - Aug 22 with 609 views | Keaneish |
| Honest opinion on 17:32 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
It sounds mental to suggest that we haven’t had luck with qualified coaches so let’s get some unqualified coaches. And personally think it’s pretty disrespectful and without being blunt, totally wrong, to suggest that just by being around football you learn as much as you would on badges anyway - players with a desire to coach, including very top players do these whilst they are still playing - showing the desire and ethic to do it.
Coaching is a profession, not just something people can rock up and do |
Coaching badges are an enabler to be able to one day manage should you choose to; they’re not the be all and end all of learning and expertise.Take a look through the Wikipedia list of coaches who have qualified for their full licence and you’ll see a long list of failures.
I receive CVs and interview lots of people with great qualifications and education but it doesn’t make them great or right for the job. If you’re in and around pro-clubs all your life and you have a desire to be a coach, you’re naturally going to want learn as you go. I’ve not said you rock up and get a job doing it - our staff have been in and around football clubs all their lives. It’s about balance, the right personnel; some will be more qualified than others.
No doubt football coaching is evolving and the level of sport science is influencing the shape of it. |  |
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| Honest opinion on 18:12 - Aug 22 with 599 views | itfcjoe |
| Honest opinion on 18:03 - Aug 22 by Keaneish |
Coaching badges are an enabler to be able to one day manage should you choose to; they’re not the be all and end all of learning and expertise.Take a look through the Wikipedia list of coaches who have qualified for their full licence and you’ll see a long list of failures.
I receive CVs and interview lots of people with great qualifications and education but it doesn’t make them great or right for the job. If you’re in and around pro-clubs all your life and you have a desire to be a coach, you’re naturally going to want learn as you go. I’ve not said you rock up and get a job doing it - our staff have been in and around football clubs all their lives. It’s about balance, the right personnel; some will be more qualified than others.
No doubt football coaching is evolving and the level of sport science is influencing the shape of it. |
“If you’re in and around pro-clubs all your life and you have a desire to be a coach, you’re naturally going to want learn as you go”
If you’re in and around it and want to be a coach - you do your badges, it’s as simple as that. It’s what everyone does - it’s why someone like Cole Skuse was coaching Woodbridge U15s, or David Wright was coaching our academy when he was at Colchester, or why Matt Bloomfield coaches in the academy whilst at Wycombe, or hundreds of other examples.
Players who get to the end of their career without their badges haven’t shown the desire to coach | |
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| Honest opinion on 18:32 - Aug 22 with 567 views | HighgateBlue |
| Honest opinion on 15:30 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think people thinking that having 2 coaches out of 3 without their badges may be too inexperienced is a particularly controversial viewpoint.
If these jobs were recruited on open market then they wouldn’t have even got past the CV stage - when Richardson got the assistant job to Cook at 32 he already had his pro licence and was doing a physiotherapy degree. Roberts at 36/37 has nothing, Craney in his 40s started and quit them
In the new ultra professional approach it seems there is from Ashton’s side it’s massively out of kilter |
Absolutely agree. It's really worrying to have such an unqualified coaching staff. It wouldn't necessarily be worrying if we were winning games, but when we've got 2 points from 4 games, and everyone is convinced we've made good signings, one has to question the coaching. And one doesn't even need to scratch the surface to find cause for concern. How many of us would expect to get jobs, or to give people jobs, without basic qualifications, when so many others have those qualifications?
But hey, we have "Structure" now, so all must be well, and as long as Evans is worse, things can't get any worse. Apparently. |  | | |
| Honest opinion on 19:02 - Aug 22 with 532 views | chrismakin |
| Honest opinion on 18:32 - Aug 22 by HighgateBlue |
Absolutely agree. It's really worrying to have such an unqualified coaching staff. It wouldn't necessarily be worrying if we were winning games, but when we've got 2 points from 4 games, and everyone is convinced we've made good signings, one has to question the coaching. And one doesn't even need to scratch the surface to find cause for concern. How many of us would expect to get jobs, or to give people jobs, without basic qualifications, when so many others have those qualifications?
But hey, we have "Structure" now, so all must be well, and as long as Evans is worse, things can't get any worse. Apparently. |
They aren't qualifications, they certifications. Big difference. Some will see them as qualifications and of course that's how the FA put them out, but lets be honest they aren't great.
To much is made of them. As I said, I have one, am I now a better choice then Roberts? [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 19:14]
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| Honest opinion on 19:53 - Aug 22 with 504 views | phillev231069 |
| Honest opinion on 17:14 - Aug 22 by Churchman |
You’d like to see Gill kept on? Why? I’m intrigued. Three straight one goal wins, one against ten men?
He came here with Lambert as first team coach didn’t he? So if you truly believe first team coaches are that crucial, that’s one relegation with rear ends firmly in the air followed by two seasons in League 1 mid table, players unfit and out on their feet after 45 mins every game bar a couple. |
Fair point, still I'm sure we'd of taken those wins in these first few games, at the moment we have none and we are no better defensively which is my overriding worry. [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 19:55]
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| Honest opinion on 19:56 - Aug 22 with 496 views | chrismakin |
| Honest opinion on 19:53 - Aug 22 by phillev231069 |
Fair point, still I'm sure we'd of taken those wins in these first few games, at the moment we have none and we are no better defensively which is my overriding worry. [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 19:55]
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Can I ask why so confident in that.
I appreciate he won a few games. So did PC lol.
But the games Gill did win we were extremely lucky, especially against Accrington. | |
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| Honest opinion on 20:04 - Aug 22 with 489 views | phillev231069 |
| Honest opinion on 19:56 - Aug 22 by chrismakin |
Can I ask why so confident in that.
I appreciate he won a few games. So did PC lol.
But the games Gill did win we were extremely lucky, especially against Accrington. |
I may well be proved wrong but I think with the time Cook had over the close season he could have assembled a better coaching team with one having an emphasis on defence, probably proved by the soft goals we've conceded. | | | |
| Honest opinion on 22:56 - Aug 22 with 436 views | istanblue |
| Honest opinion on 14:52 - Aug 22 by Keaneish |
…but he is a coach now with his badges and this is his first job in coaching not that it matters too much as he’s not the only coach here but one of several in a major overhaul. Are all our coaches too inexperienced? Time will tell. We had a manager who won a European cup, completed all his badges as well as winning several league titles and he was atrocious.
Good luck to him. If he brings nothing else other than bonding then he’ll have done a lot more in his time here than several regimes achieved in recent memory. The togetherness is tangible in this side already. |
Togetherness is tangible?
We're 20th in League 1, mate. |  | | |
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