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I've been following this story for some time and accept that if he had TB then he should be put down.
There were however good reasons put forward to suggest that the previous tests were flawed, I cannot understand why they couldn't just give one more test? Instead DEFRA turns up heavy handed with a dozen police and manhandles the terrified beast away to be put down.
Am I missing something?
Wasn't the whole thing 100% unnecessary?
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Couldn’t agree more. It was like they could back down using common sense for fear of losing face.
Even a curfew or resigned to never leaving it home would have been better than the appalling outcome.
My daughter and I have this silly thing about alpacas and llamas, we have adopted them (paper based thing really) and buy each other silly llama/alpaca items.
A few weeks ago Gordon Ramsey was cooking and eating them now this. Poor things.
Geronimo got a lot more leeway than most farm animals. The longer the situation went on, the more chance there was of infecting the rest of the herd and/or other animals.
If it had been an ordinary cow rather than a fluffy, "cute" (they really aren't, close up) alpaca, then I doubt there would have been the same level of protest.
Geronimo got a lot more leeway than most farm animals. The longer the situation went on, the more chance there was of infecting the rest of the herd and/or other animals.
If it had been an ordinary cow rather than a fluffy, "cute" (they really aren't, close up) alpaca, then I doubt there would have been the same level of protest.
Well quite. Witness the 27000 cows slaughtered last year to stop the spread of Bovine TB.
Geronimo got a lot more leeway than most farm animals. The longer the situation went on, the more chance there was of infecting the rest of the herd and/or other animals.
If it had been an ordinary cow rather than a fluffy, "cute" (they really aren't, close up) alpaca, then I doubt there would have been the same level of protest.
That's quite interesting.
I am no expert on Alpacas or general farm animals but from media reports I maybe incorrectly imagine a single Alpaca strolling around at leisure in it's own field eating carrots.
I am though interested in media and PR and as soon as the story hit the media and started to gain momentum it would surely have been common sense to administer another test and put the fire out.
Then, if proved positive it could have been put to sleep peacefully in his own surroundings rather than manhandled and dragged to death.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Geronimo got a lot more leeway than most farm animals. The longer the situation went on, the more chance there was of infecting the rest of the herd and/or other animals.
If it had been an ordinary cow rather than a fluffy, "cute" (they really aren't, close up) alpaca, then I doubt there would have been the same level of protest.
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I am no expert on Alpacas or general farm animals but from media reports I maybe incorrectly imagine a single Alpaca strolling around at leisure in it's own field eating carrots.
I am though interested in media and PR and as soon as the story hit the media and started to gain momentum it would surely have been common sense to administer another test and put the fire out.
Then, if proved positive it could have been put to sleep peacefully in his own surroundings rather than manhandled and dragged to death.
Fairly sure they said the owner put it back in a field with loads of others yesterday to make it difficult for DEFRA to identify it.
She then left for the day too apparently as it would make their job more difficult.
It does seem bizarre they couldn't do one more test and now they have said she can't have an independent vet do part of the autopsy to verify if TB was present.
I am no expert on Alpacas or general farm animals but from media reports I maybe incorrectly imagine a single Alpaca strolling around at leisure in it's own field eating carrots.
I am though interested in media and PR and as soon as the story hit the media and started to gain momentum it would surely have been common sense to administer another test and put the fire out.
Then, if proved positive it could have been put to sleep peacefully in his own surroundings rather than manhandled and dragged to death.
I doubt a further test would have stopped the furore. If it came back positive, there would be claims that one was also "flawed" and "a conspiracy" (they would get that result, wouldn't they), so it continues, in the current climate.
I am no expert on Alpacas or general farm animals but from media reports I maybe incorrectly imagine a single Alpaca strolling around at leisure in it's own field eating carrots.
I am though interested in media and PR and as soon as the story hit the media and started to gain momentum it would surely have been common sense to administer another test and put the fire out.
Then, if proved positive it could have been put to sleep peacefully in his own surroundings rather than manhandled and dragged to death.
....have been reporting this though.
"Geronimo the alpaca has been killed"
Alpacas are quite trendy at the moment.
I sometimes see the veterinary nurse that put my dog down, I always say "that's the woman that killed my dog".
Drama innit.
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Couldn’t agree more. It was like they could back down using common sense for fear of losing face.
Even a curfew or resigned to never leaving it home would have been better than the appalling outcome.
My daughter and I have this silly thing about alpacas and llamas, we have adopted them (paper based thing really) and buy each other silly llama/alpaca items.
A few weeks ago Gordon Ramsey was cooking and eating them now this. Poor things.
I am no expert on Alpacas or general farm animals but from media reports I maybe incorrectly imagine a single Alpaca strolling around at leisure in it's own field eating carrots.
I am though interested in media and PR and as soon as the story hit the media and started to gain momentum it would surely have been common sense to administer another test and put the fire out.
Then, if proved positive it could have been put to sleep peacefully in his own surroundings rather than manhandled and dragged to death.
Weren't both tests done back in 2017? That's a long time for this to rumble on without doing another to check and put any debate to bed.
I am no expert on Alpacas or general farm animals but from media reports I maybe incorrectly imagine a single Alpaca strolling around at leisure in it's own field eating carrots.
I am though interested in media and PR and as soon as the story hit the media and started to gain momentum it would surely have been common sense to administer another test and put the fire out.
Then, if proved positive it could have been put to sleep peacefully in his own surroundings rather than manhandled and dragged to death.
Alpacas are herd animals, that live in social/family groups, so it would actually harm the animal to keep it in some kind of solitary confinement for the rest of its life, not that it would guarantee it from spreading it further anyway.
also I dont think Alpacas get quite the same amount of space your average herd of cows or sheep get to roam on farmland, they seem to be quite contained paddocks from what Ive observed in Suffolk at least.
Im sure the officials involved would have preferred to do it with the minimum fuss and least harm & distress to the animal, but as soon as the owner chose to be less than fully cooperative, and protestors promised to disrupt it, it became what transpired.
Geronimo got a lot more leeway than most farm animals. The longer the situation went on, the more chance there was of infecting the rest of the herd and/or other animals.
If it had been an ordinary cow rather than a fluffy, "cute" (they really aren't, close up) alpaca, then I doubt there would have been the same level of protest.
Or, on the other hand, if he wasn't such a brilliant distraction from other potentially-newsworthy items, there probably wouldn't have been quite the same level of manufactured controversy.
Not sure that quite that number of stormtroopers were necessary, but I expect they enjoyed themselves. Why could it not have been done quietly, in private, in situ. Surely if we were in the habit of 'putting down' humans with contagious diseases, we would afford ourselves a little more dignity before and during the kill, televised or otherwise?
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Alpacas are herd animals, that live in social/family groups, so it would actually harm the animal to keep it in some kind of solitary confinement for the rest of its life, not that it would guarantee it from spreading it further anyway.
also I dont think Alpacas get quite the same amount of space your average herd of cows or sheep get to roam on farmland, they seem to be quite contained paddocks from what Ive observed in Suffolk at least.
Im sure the officials involved would have preferred to do it with the minimum fuss and least harm & distress to the animal, but as soon as the owner chose to be less than fully cooperative, and protestors promised to disrupt it, it became what transpired.
As far as I understood it the owner was just asking for a new reliable test and if positive would have got her own vet to shoot the thing.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Most of whom are happy to eat meat and dairy, thus contributing to the continued mass breeding, enslavement, torture and murder of baby and juvenile sentient beings for a few minutes of taste pleasure.
Watch Dominion on YouTube.
At least do animals the courtesy of acknowledging what they go through in their short and terrifying existence.
This story is sad, but pales so far into insignifance compared to what goes on every day.
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....everywhere.
Most of whom are happy to eat meat and dairy, thus contributing to the continued mass breeding, enslavement, torture and murder of baby and juvenile sentient beings for a few minutes of taste pleasure.
Watch Dominion on YouTube.
At least do animals the courtesy of acknowledging what they go through in their short and terrifying existence.
This story is sad, but pales so far into insignifance compared to what goes on every day.
..."taste pleasure" rather than a few minutes?
I fully acknowledge their commitment to the cause.
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