| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it 10:25 - Sep 13 with 6112 views | TooManyCooks |
drastically change your expectations, because you cannot expedite this model without a leader.
https://www.thecoachingtoolscompany.com/get-your-team-performing-beautifully-wit
Read the article, read it again, there are a number of these on the web, but this is the most simplified and easy to grasp that I have seen and applies to any team setting.
The truth is that we are likely only a little way down that nasty first curve. We have literally only just confirmed our squad, let alone starting 11, we still have injuries, or those just returning from it that haven't played a competitive game yet! We have weekly debutants and our leader and captain hasn't even taken to the pitch yet, a lot rides on Morsy, as does the cracking signing of Celina, 2 nailed on starters when available.
Every week we have brand new partnerships taking to the field for the first time and that is going to continue for weeks to come, we still don't know our best 11, some call it "gelling", whatever you want to call it, the team is still forming, you should not and can not expect results in this period, if we pick up a win then great, personally I'm happy we've managed to get some draws and fully expected us to be beaten most weeks and expect that to continue for several weeks. The beauty of this league, is that a handful of results can push you a dozen places plus up the table, it's a bizarre league as we've seen and experienced first hand, so we really don't need to panic. Of course we'd like to see the team in top 2 this season, or in the playoffs, but the reality is that we are a new club and squad and that takes time to work, that's life I'm afraid.
Not winning a game currently doesn't mean Paul Cook isn't a good manager, he simply cannot expedite the team process without a leader on the pitch and NO, that doesn't mean that the minute Morsy steps on the pitch we are going to win, what it means is that the "forming" process can be expedited more quickly and we change our position on the curve. What you should be focussing on, is the undeniable talent the club has brought in, some of the signings we have made are well beyond what should be possible at a League 1 club, hats off to Ashton and hats off to Cook for identifying them. Look at the structure that has been put in place at the club, we are a professional outfit again from top to bottom, all the things we've bemoaned for 13 years have/are being sorted, it's a time for celebration, not calling for our managers head.
We've suffered 13 god awful years, you MUST be patient now and allow this squad to go through the curve to success, it will come, it really will, the ingredients are all here, it is literally just time that is needed now, a commodity that is in painfully short supply in the world of football. I am prepared to give the new regime the time it needs to succeed, the question is, are you? If not, why? Perhaps you need to adjust your expectations.......
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:33 - Sep 13 with 1168 views | WD19 |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:33 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
You're happy that we've managed some draws? Up until then it was a fairly subtle troll, but it all went awry at that point. |
You did better than me, I dialled out about 2 sentences in....... |  | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:33 - Sep 13 with 1168 views | Funge |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:25 - Sep 13 by hype313 |
So after 19 signings, we're relying on a guy signed in the last minute of the transfer window who was settled at his current club and wasn't looking to leave to revive our fortunes?
Sounds like excellent planning. |
Sorry hype, hadn't read your post. I agree. |  | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:34 - Sep 13 with 1165 views | Sharkey |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:04 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
Well, that's something I was trying to avoid given the polar views on Chambers on the site, but the truth is he was a very well respected individual on and off the pitch and most certainly was a good orchestrator and leader for the club and team, which made us a difficult team to score against. |
And possibly, in a quieter way, that's equally so for Skuse, - especially when it comes to being difficult to score against. That's not to say he shouldn't have been replaced, but only that he's not that easy to replace. |  | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:34 - Sep 13 with 1165 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:20 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
What we lack currently, is a leader on the pitch to carry out his wishes, Samy Morsy is meant to be that man, hence a lot rides on him making the necessary impact. |
Isn't that what Evans is supposed to be? Burgess too? I'm not sure where in Tuckman's theory it mentions Sam Morsy being central to moving to the performing stage. It's sounding like a whole lot of excuses. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:35 - Sep 13 with 1163 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:25 - Sep 13 by hype313 |
So after 19 signings, we're relying on a guy signed in the last minute of the transfer window who was settled at his current club and wasn't looking to leave to revive our fortunes?
Sounds like excellent planning. |
Morsy was a long term target of cooks and dare I say it, likely the pivotal one for this group, we were very lucky to sign him, whenever it took place. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:36 - Sep 13 with 1159 views | giant_stow |
I know all about coaching now that I've helped run a couple of training sessions for the under 6s. Basically, its time for those who've been playing attack to take a turn in defense now - everyone should get a go up top. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:39 - Sep 13 with 1140 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:32 - Sep 13 by Funge |
Morsy - a player who didnt want to leave his club, didnt think he was leaving his club, and signed hours before the transfer window closed.
He may well be a sh1t-hot player (I very much hope so...), but Cooks suggestion that we are dependent upon him to turn the corner, paints the rest of his transfer business in a pretty piss-poor light.
Cook is panicking, and rightly so. Betting the house on Morsy is a nonsensical strategy. |
We are dependent on him to be frank, we need a leader and I haven't seen one in the squad until that signing. You can make 1000 signings, but you need 1 that can bring it all together and he appears to be that man for Cook, a lot rides on his shoulders.
The transfer business was nothing short of phenomenal for a league 1 club. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:40 - Sep 13 with 1132 views | eireblue |
"Helps teams and groups accelerate through the group stages..."
I think you need to send the link to someone else. |  | | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:40 - Sep 13 with 1130 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:34 - Sep 13 by Sharkey |
And possibly, in a quieter way, that's equally so for Skuse, - especially when it comes to being difficult to score against. That's not to say he shouldn't have been replaced, but only that he's not that easy to replace. |
100%, a great orchestrator and leader, regardless of individual playing performances. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:43 - Sep 13 with 1108 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:34 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
Isn't that what Evans is supposed to be? Burgess too? I'm not sure where in Tuckman's theory it mentions Sam Morsy being central to moving to the performing stage. It's sounding like a whole lot of excuses. |
A leader is essential to success and I've not seen the necessary qualities for that role in Evans, or indeed anyone else in the squad yet, but credit where it's due, there's a reason Morsy was a primary target for cook, they had been working on him for a long time, Cooks not silly, he knows what a team needs. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:44 - Sep 13 with 1106 views | Funge |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:39 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
We are dependent on him to be frank, we need a leader and I haven't seen one in the squad until that signing. You can make 1000 signings, but you need 1 that can bring it all together and he appears to be that man for Cook, a lot rides on his shoulders.
The transfer business was nothing short of phenomenal for a league 1 club. |
Jesus Christ, we've signed the 2001 Zidane.
Fingers crossed he doesnt get injured or suspended.... ah. | | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:44 - Sep 13 with 1103 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:30 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
I really had Edmundson in mind when saying that, given that he was our most expensive signing (I think?) but injuries are still extremely relevant to the process in our position on the curve, because it will affect the speed at which we can get through the curve. If we were on the other side of the curve, it should have little impact as we would be able to make a like for like replacement with a settled squad member who can seamlessly slot in. |
The theory relates to the relationship between group dynamics and performance so injuries shouldn't have the impact you suggest as these players will still be part of the group. The whole group formation process also isn't just about the 11 players on the pitch, so missing a player or two through injury again isn't as relevant as you suggest. Much of what Tuckman describes, in fact the majority of it, will be taking place outside of game time.
What is worrying is that the group has just had 2 full weeks together and followed it up with their worst performance of the season, one of the worst Town performances in living memory. Many of these players have been together since the start of preseason, many more for a good couple of months. Other sides experiencing high levels of turnover have started more successfully even with inferior resources. Let's stop trying to make excuses. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:44 - Sep 13 with 1102 views | Sharkey |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:36 - Sep 13 by giant_stow |
I know all about coaching now that I've helped run a couple of training sessions for the under 6s. Basically, its time for those who've been playing attack to take a turn in defense now - everyone should get a go up top. |
In the days when testimonials were a thing, I wondered why more of this couldn't go on. Beattie up front, Muhren and Thijssen in central defence, - for the first twenty-five minutes at least. | | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:44 - Sep 13 with 1095 views | hype313 |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:33 - Sep 13 by Funge |
Sorry hype, hadn't read your post. I agree. |
No worries, nice to see someone else in agreement! |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:48 - Sep 13 with 1076 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:43 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
A leader is essential to success and I've not seen the necessary qualities for that role in Evans, or indeed anyone else in the squad yet, but credit where it's due, there's a reason Morsy was a primary target for cook, they had been working on him for a long time, Cooks not silly, he knows what a team needs. |
And yet he didn't bother with that apparently key ingredient until the 11th hour of transfer deadline day. If what you say is correct, and I don't think it is but let's set that aside, then it's incredibly poor planning from Cook to have gone into the season with no leader and with no guarantee of a leader arriving. What happens if Morsy gets injured? Do we just write the season off. By the way, all of this is more excuses and has almost nothing to do with Tuckman's work. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 11:48]
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:57 - Sep 13 with 1043 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:44 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
The theory relates to the relationship between group dynamics and performance so injuries shouldn't have the impact you suggest as these players will still be part of the group. The whole group formation process also isn't just about the 11 players on the pitch, so missing a player or two through injury again isn't as relevant as you suggest. Much of what Tuckman describes, in fact the majority of it, will be taking place outside of game time.
What is worrying is that the group has just had 2 full weeks together and followed it up with their worst performance of the season, one of the worst Town performances in living memory. Many of these players have been together since the start of preseason, many more for a good couple of months. Other sides experiencing high levels of turnover have started more successfully even with inferior resources. Let's stop trying to make excuses. |
Injuries will have a sizeable impact in our position on the curve as a big part of the process for us currently is simply the squad getting used to playing alongside each other in competitive matches and familiarising with each others style of play and nuances to their individual games......once we have accomplished that and are further through the curve, the players will know all of the rest of the squad and we should be able to seamlessly swap players without negatively impacting the group performance. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:59 - Sep 13 with 1038 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:44 - Sep 13 by Funge |
Jesus Christ, we've signed the 2001 Zidane.
Fingers crossed he doesnt get injured or suspended.... ah. |
Ideally, he will come in and bring it together and at the same time help develop leadership qualities in one or two others, but it's fair to say that we are going to be reliant on Morsy for a while......again, once we are further round the curve, we should be able to cope better if he misses a game here or there. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:01 - Sep 13 with 1034 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:57 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
Injuries will have a sizeable impact in our position on the curve as a big part of the process for us currently is simply the squad getting used to playing alongside each other in competitive matches and familiarising with each others style of play and nuances to their individual games......once we have accomplished that and are further through the curve, the players will know all of the rest of the squad and we should be able to seamlessly swap players without negatively impacting the group performance. |
You're misapplying the theory quite significantly at this point whilst also ignoring that these aren't Sunday league players who turn up at 10 for a 10.30 kick off and see who's available. What do you think professional footballers do all week? | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:04 - Sep 13 with 1020 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:48 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
And yet he didn't bother with that apparently key ingredient until the 11th hour of transfer deadline day. If what you say is correct, and I don't think it is but let's set that aside, then it's incredibly poor planning from Cook to have gone into the season with no leader and with no guarantee of a leader arriving. What happens if Morsy gets injured? Do we just write the season off. By the way, all of this is more excuses and has almost nothing to do with Tuckman's work. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 11:48]
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I don't know the in's and out's of the deal, I just know he was a target and he's here, regardless of the details. I just answered your next question in another post, but I believe we will be heavily reliant on Morsy to get through this part of the curve, but once we are through, we shall be less so and hopefully by then one or two others will have developed some leadership qualities themselves. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:12 - Sep 13 with 1002 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:01 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
You're misapplying the theory quite significantly at this point whilst also ignoring that these aren't Sunday league players who turn up at 10 for a 10.30 kick off and see who's available. What do you think professional footballers do all week? |
I am applying the theory to a football team and the realities of how the curve affects them in their industry.
The theory applies equally to a Sunday morning league team.
The process of developing off field relationships will occur during the week at training and is a part of the process, but the players will truly understand each others working style in competitive match play scenarios, which you cannot replicate in training sessions. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:19 - Sep 13 with 984 views | Funge |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:12 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
I am applying the theory to a football team and the realities of how the curve affects them in their industry.
The theory applies equally to a Sunday morning league team.
The process of developing off field relationships will occur during the week at training and is a part of the process, but the players will truly understand each others working style in competitive match play scenarios, which you cannot replicate in training sessions. |
What a load of b0llocks. | | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:23 - Sep 13 with 963 views | Sharkey |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:12 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
I am applying the theory to a football team and the realities of how the curve affects them in their industry.
The theory applies equally to a Sunday morning league team.
The process of developing off field relationships will occur during the week at training and is a part of the process, but the players will truly understand each others working style in competitive match play scenarios, which you cannot replicate in training sessions. |
The off-field relationships will develop quickest on the bus home from a hard-earned evening away win in some other far-off corner of this land. At the moment I doubt they'd even know who should sit where on the bus, and who's to check that nobody's feeling excluded. | | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:27 - Sep 13 with 940 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:23 - Sep 13 by Sharkey |
The off-field relationships will develop quickest on the bus home from a hard-earned evening away win in some other far-off corner of this land. At the moment I doubt they'd even know who should sit where on the bus, and who's to check that nobody's feeling excluded. |
You make a very valid point, they probably don't know who should sit where on the bus, because they very likely haven't formed their social relationships yet, or indeed any level of trust amongst each other, which is all part all part of being together over time and developing understanding of one another.........it takes time. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:30 - Sep 13 with 926 views | Whataday78 |
I like this model, it's certainly accurate in most walks of life.
Kinda made me feel better about what's going on right now tbh!
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:33 - Sep 13 with 913 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 12:12 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
I am applying the theory to a football team and the realities of how the curve affects them in their industry.
The theory applies equally to a Sunday morning league team.
The process of developing off field relationships will occur during the week at training and is a part of the process, but the players will truly understand each others working style in competitive match play scenarios, which you cannot replicate in training sessions. |
The first bit is what you think you are doing, I'm not sure you really understand the theory all that well. You've spent the thread going beyond what the theory explains, misapplying it, and twisting it to suit your chosen narrative. That's not how one should apply theory. | |
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