| Took my Eye off the Championship 22:02 - Oct 20 with 6914 views | OsborneOneNil |
Aren’t Cardiff struggling! 4th bottom.
Really surprises me seeing as they’ve got Mick at the helm. He’s normally amazing. |  | | |  |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 16:09 - Oct 21 with 1487 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 16:07 - Oct 21 by BudapestByBlimp |
You've missed out his spell at APOEL where he had 5 defeats in 8 games.
I can see why Mick would be a good man-manager and I think he performed well under the circumstances, but his football was boring and disjointed with only a few exceptions over the years. Why do you think we're achieving higher attendances in the lower reaches of League One than we did in the Championship? |
Population growth probably. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 16:33 - Oct 21 with 1467 views | itfcjoe |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:16 - Oct 21 by clive_baker |
Good mate of mine is a Cardiff ST holder. He's absolutely furious at the situation, hating on McCarthy and I must say the theme is familiar. I liked Mick here on the whole, and think his pragmatism, ability to man manage and eye for a bargain really helped paper over some cracks and underinvestment, but I can see how he's got a shelf life. It's a brand of football that relies so much on results. It's passable while the points are rolling in, but the second that stops happening there will be little appetite for it.
He said they lines up at Swansea with 5 centre backs and 2 holding midfielders, and still lost 3-0. Not fact checked that claim, but it does sound pretty dire. |
Mark McGuinness at right wing back....
I think Keiffer Moore got Covid earlier in the season and it totally killed them, similar to when we lost Murphy |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 17:18 - Oct 21 with 1420 views | Ryorry |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 16:07 - Oct 21 by BudapestByBlimp |
You've missed out his spell at APOEL where he had 5 defeats in 8 games.
I can see why Mick would be a good man-manager and I think he performed well under the circumstances, but his football was boring and disjointed with only a few exceptions over the years. Why do you think we're achieving higher attendances in the lower reaches of League One than we did in the Championship? |
Indeed, as I said on Tues night in relation to both us and a clip taken by a Forest fan from the terraces of their last-gasp winning 2 goals in added time that night - it's *those* moments, goals & accompanying excitement which get us watching live games - not 5 CBs parking the bus & still losing 0-3, nor 0-0 draws. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 18:28 - Oct 21 with 1378 views | strikalite |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:40 - Oct 20 by strikalite |
Dunno but ex Sunderland so was always going to be up against it, was never given big money for signings really, considering just staying in the Prem alone brings in a minimum of £130m a season from Sky...
Benitez didn't hang around because of funds.. |
Sorry R no idea why I was talking about Steve Bruce  |  | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 20:40 - Oct 21 with 1334 views | bluejacko |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:58 - Oct 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Where does he go from here is an interesting question. Unless he turns performances and results around quickly he'll soon be out of a job. Although it sounds like there is potential to improve things if last night was a bit more ambitious.
But as for what's next after Cardiff assuming he's sacked soon, I wonder what level his stock is really at. It's been a long time since he had any success. His name will carry a bit of weight and his Ireland stint was seen as making the best of a bad situation. He doesn't scream 'progressive manager who's going to get you promoted' any more now though. Remember his Wolves side went up by actually playing some good stuff around his wingers. He's gone increasingly more Pulis-like since then. |
I suppose he could go back to Barnsley! Have they got any dinosaurs in their town museum? |  | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 20:46 - Oct 21 with 1326 views | Hipsterectomy |
Mick is also apparently on decent money there and their fans want to hound him out so that he resigns if necessary, as they don't think they have the money to sack him and then employ another.
There was a strong rumour from somewhere that he was Celtic's number 1 target, very close to being offered his new contract there lol |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:03 - Oct 21 with 1258 views | Keaneish |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:50 - Oct 21 by positivity |
or he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees, a disillusioned fanbase and players on short contracts.
we've discussed this before many times, i doubt you'll convince me to change my mind, and i know i won't convince you! |
The difference being is that it’s you who is completely correct. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:05 - Oct 21 with 1254 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:50 - Oct 21 by positivity |
or he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees, a disillusioned fanbase and players on short contracts.
we've discussed this before many times, i doubt you'll convince me to change my mind, and i know i won't convince you! |
Correct. Well summed up…. | | | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:22 - Oct 21 with 1220 views | itfcjoe |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:05 - Oct 21 by OsborneOneNil |
Correct. Well summed up…. |
It’s a load of rubbish, the most vocal critics of Mick were saying at the time that he was under performing with the squad we had - and now the squad he left was rubbish because the next manager either sold or screwed up Garner, Waghorn, Webster, Knudsen and Bart. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:35 - Oct 21 with 1196 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:22 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
It’s a load of rubbish, the most vocal critics of Mick were saying at the time that he was under performing with the squad we had - and now the squad he left was rubbish because the next manager either sold or screwed up Garner, Waghorn, Webster, Knudsen and Bart. |
I agree with some of it, Joe. Especially the fact that in the last stages the football was unbearable, and many agree, hence the 11,000 crowds. As someone else said, his time here is being mirrored at Cardiff, but in months rather than years. | | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:36 - Oct 21 with 1195 views | BlueForYou |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:22 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
It’s a load of rubbish, the most vocal critics of Mick were saying at the time that he was under performing with the squad we had - and now the squad he left was rubbish because the next manager either sold or screwed up Garner, Waghorn, Webster, Knudsen and Bart. |
Knudsen was no loss! |  | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:40 - Oct 21 with 1171 views | itfcjoe |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:35 - Oct 21 by OsborneOneNil |
I agree with some of it, Joe. Especially the fact that in the last stages the football was unbearable, and many agree, hence the 11,000 crowds. As someone else said, his time here is being mirrored at Cardiff, but in months rather than years. |
Whilst it was true about the football and crowds etc - I think everyone knew it was the right time for him to go, some were just more vociferous (and angry!) than others.
But the squad was left in good shape, there was a good core to it, good young players, and goals in it. It was a good platform to build from and the fact that Hurst totally screwed that up doesn’t alter that. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:54 - Oct 21 with 1156 views | Keaneish |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:22 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
It’s a load of rubbish, the most vocal critics of Mick were saying at the time that he was under performing with the squad we had - and now the squad he left was rubbish because the next manager either sold or screwed up Garner, Waghorn, Webster, Knudsen and Bart. |
He didn’t say the squad was rubbish though.
How do you feel about The Cowley’s after Tuesday night and their run of form? Bullet dodged or do you feel they’re being unfairly judged given they’ve not got any money to spend on players as Eisner would rather invest it in the ground and grass roots? | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:04 - Oct 22 with 1040 views | itfcjoe |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:54 - Oct 21 by Keaneish |
He didn’t say the squad was rubbish though.
How do you feel about The Cowley’s after Tuesday night and their run of form? Bullet dodged or do you feel they’re being unfairly judged given they’ve not got any money to spend on players as Eisner would rather invest it in the ground and grass roots? |
Of course he said the squad was rubbish:
"he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees.......and players on short contracts."
Hardly a glowing recommendation of the squad is it?!
Re Cowley
I wasn't able to watch the game on Tuesday, well I could have watched the second half but £10 for 45 minutes seemed a bit steep, but I was amazed at how disorganised they sounded, and was able to see with my own eyes.
Donacien isn't a particularly great attacking full back, but they gave him so much space on that side he looked like Dani Alves. Whoever was playing left side of midfield or wing back was miles of it.
It's just not what you expect from a Cowley side, they were always very organised, plus able to adapt in game to obvious things, which is a big worry.
Pompey were pleading poverty in the summer, but they have a decent squad for this level - this year looks like an attempt at a genuine rebuild but you simply an't do as poorly as they are doing and expect to keep the job for much longer.
But then they've only got 2 points less than we have? And they outperformed Cook after appointment last season despite the collapse.
I don't think it is a bullet dodged - it was always only a slight preference over Cook for me as both were the clear standout candidates | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:10 - Oct 22 with 1024 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 22:40 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
Whilst it was true about the football and crowds etc - I think everyone knew it was the right time for him to go, some were just more vociferous (and angry!) than others.
But the squad was left in good shape, there was a good core to it, good young players, and goals in it. It was a good platform to build from and the fact that Hurst totally screwed that up doesn’t alter that. |
Yep. The squad he left had a core of very decent players with lots coming through.
Such a shame Hurst tore it to shreds and we let what was ultimately £40 or £50m worth of talent go and replace it with the likes of Jackson, Nolan and Harrison.
Evans absolutely needed to appoint somebody that would get the players immediate respect. It's like any job when the boss leaves and you like him it's very tough for the replacement. Had Evans spent the £ on Lampard we'd have been fine. | | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:25 - Oct 22 with 997 views | textbackup |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:04 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
Of course he said the squad was rubbish:
"he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees.......and players on short contracts."
Hardly a glowing recommendation of the squad is it?!
Re Cowley
I wasn't able to watch the game on Tuesday, well I could have watched the second half but £10 for 45 minutes seemed a bit steep, but I was amazed at how disorganised they sounded, and was able to see with my own eyes.
Donacien isn't a particularly great attacking full back, but they gave him so much space on that side he looked like Dani Alves. Whoever was playing left side of midfield or wing back was miles of it.
It's just not what you expect from a Cowley side, they were always very organised, plus able to adapt in game to obvious things, which is a big worry.
Pompey were pleading poverty in the summer, but they have a decent squad for this level - this year looks like an attempt at a genuine rebuild but you simply an't do as poorly as they are doing and expect to keep the job for much longer.
But then they've only got 2 points less than we have? And they outperformed Cook after appointment last season despite the collapse.
I don't think it is a bullet dodged - it was always only a slight preference over Cook for me as both were the clear standout candidates |
FWIW i think had we appointed the Cowleys last season we would have reached the playoffs, unsure if we'd have gone up. just think he'd have been more effective with what we had, instead of wanting his style implemented straight away
however, missing out on them, and having cook as the man re-building us, taking us forward, is the better option in the long run IMO. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:38 - Oct 22 with 974 views | itfcjoe |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:25 - Oct 22 by textbackup |
FWIW i think had we appointed the Cowleys last season we would have reached the playoffs, unsure if we'd have gone up. just think he'd have been more effective with what we had, instead of wanting his style implemented straight away
however, missing out on them, and having cook as the man re-building us, taking us forward, is the better option in the long run IMO. |
The Cowley's went in and won 4 on the bounce at Pompey.....but then collapsed away from play offs ridiculously badly. Didn't expect that.
I don't think wither Cook or Cowley will end up being the right sort of manager for the rebuild and overhaul here - Ashton at some point will want someone he appoints that he can control a bit more. It is who is the best bet to get us out of this division at the moment before getting chucked aside which you'd hope will be Cook as he has got a lot of promotions under his belt.......but i don't expect we'll see a Cook legacy at any point. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:39 - Oct 22 with 976 views | Oldboy |
Mick is an ok type of manager. He isn't going to dazzle you, more likely to bore you, but he does an ok job. Here he was good to a point and if backed by Evans, maybe a promotion, but we will never know. Like I say, Mick is an ok type of manager. |  | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:51 - Oct 22 with 951 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:04 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
Of course he said the squad was rubbish:
"he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees.......and players on short contracts."
Hardly a glowing recommendation of the squad is it?!
Re Cowley
I wasn't able to watch the game on Tuesday, well I could have watched the second half but £10 for 45 minutes seemed a bit steep, but I was amazed at how disorganised they sounded, and was able to see with my own eyes.
Donacien isn't a particularly great attacking full back, but they gave him so much space on that side he looked like Dani Alves. Whoever was playing left side of midfield or wing back was miles of it.
It's just not what you expect from a Cowley side, they were always very organised, plus able to adapt in game to obvious things, which is a big worry.
Pompey were pleading poverty in the summer, but they have a decent squad for this level - this year looks like an attempt at a genuine rebuild but you simply an't do as poorly as they are doing and expect to keep the job for much longer.
But then they've only got 2 points less than we have? And they outperformed Cook after appointment last season despite the collapse.
I don't think it is a bullet dodged - it was always only a slight preference over Cook for me as both were the clear standout candidates |
it wasn't flat-out rubbish, but imo the balance of the squad was too skewed in power, age and over-reliant on loanees to dig us out of a hole.
i think we'd be in less of a mess if he'd have pushed for longer contracts for the likes of:- webster (1 year)
mcgoldrick (out of contract)
waghorn (1+1 years)
rather than:-
skuse (3 years)
cotter (5 years)
drinan (4 years)
and hung onto players like moore and smith.
and in no way am i saying that evans/hurst did anywhere near well enough in how they handled the challenges they'd allowed to happen/been faced with
a competent chairman would have seen the problems exposed and tackled them earlier
a manager more experienced in building a team, and one who understood the existence of carrots (in the carrot and stick equation) would have a more balanced approach to building a team and seen us survive that difficult first year | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:15 - Oct 22 with 918 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:51 - Oct 22 by positivity |
it wasn't flat-out rubbish, but imo the balance of the squad was too skewed in power, age and over-reliant on loanees to dig us out of a hole.
i think we'd be in less of a mess if he'd have pushed for longer contracts for the likes of:- webster (1 year)
mcgoldrick (out of contract)
waghorn (1+1 years)
rather than:-
skuse (3 years)
cotter (5 years)
drinan (4 years)
and hung onto players like moore and smith.
and in no way am i saying that evans/hurst did anywhere near well enough in how they handled the challenges they'd allowed to happen/been faced with
a competent chairman would have seen the problems exposed and tackled them earlier
a manager more experienced in building a team, and one who understood the existence of carrots (in the carrot and stick equation) would have a more balanced approach to building a team and seen us survive that difficult first year |
At the point that Mick left us the likes of Chambers and Skuse were earlyish 30s and still capable of playing at that level. We had Downes, Dozzell, and Nydam all having broken into the first team. Webster at the back who looked a top prospect. Waghorn coming off a very good season. Bart in goal. Knudsen, despite his critics, as a more than capable second tier full back. The squad that Mick left was plenty good enough and with a few tweaks a competent manager should have kept it up quite comfortably. That Hurst ripped it up completely had nothing to do with Mick. The notion he left us in a "mess" just doesn't stack up. The "mess" that followed his departure was down to Hurst and ME. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:30 - Oct 22 with 903 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:15 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
At the point that Mick left us the likes of Chambers and Skuse were earlyish 30s and still capable of playing at that level. We had Downes, Dozzell, and Nydam all having broken into the first team. Webster at the back who looked a top prospect. Waghorn coming off a very good season. Bart in goal. Knudsen, despite his critics, as a more than capable second tier full back. The squad that Mick left was plenty good enough and with a few tweaks a competent manager should have kept it up quite comfortably. That Hurst ripped it up completely had nothing to do with Mick. The notion he left us in a "mess" just doesn't stack up. The "mess" that followed his departure was down to Hurst and ME. |
disagree, chambers and skuse were already on the wane and not worth building a team around.
correct me if any of these are factually wrong
doz/downes/nydam had a grand total of 28 starts between them
webster had a year left
waggy had a year left
bart i'll give you, hurst fully messed that up
knudsen had a year left
the mess that followed his departure was due to the circumstances evans and mccarthy had left and the incompetence of evans and hurst to rectify it | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:45 - Oct 22 with 893 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:30 - Oct 22 by positivity |
disagree, chambers and skuse were already on the wane and not worth building a team around.
correct me if any of these are factually wrong
doz/downes/nydam had a grand total of 28 starts between them
webster had a year left
waggy had a year left
bart i'll give you, hurst fully messed that up
knudsen had a year left
the mess that followed his departure was due to the circumstances evans and mccarthy had left and the incompetence of evans and hurst to rectify it |
Disagree with that interpretation entirely. Not having that Mick left a "mess". That's such revisionism and just not accurate. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:31 - Oct 22 with 862 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:45 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Disagree with that interpretation entirely. Not having that Mick left a "mess". That's such revisionism and just not accurate. |
the facts are accurate, unless i made an error somewhere!
i disagree with your revisionist and inaccurate view as well.
but we knew that! | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:51 - Oct 22 with 840 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:31 - Oct 22 by positivity |
the facts are accurate, unless i made an error somewhere!
i disagree with your revisionist and inaccurate view as well.
but we knew that! |
Go back and read the forum at the time Mick left, then look up the meaning of revisionism, then get back to me. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 12:01 - Oct 22 with 833 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:51 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Go back and read the forum at the time Mick left, then look up the meaning of revisionism, then get back to me. |
if we're setting homework now, you first.
go back and read the forum for the year before mick left, then i'd like:-
-a full breakdown of the arguments for and against mick out
-a 1000 word essay on the meaning of revisionism
-a further one on facts
-then 100 lines of "mick mccarthy is not infallible and didn't leave itfc with a panacea for all eventualities likely to befall a championship club"
-then one of your lovely down arrows
thank you! | |
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