| Took my Eye off the Championship 22:02 - Oct 20 with 5911 views | OsborneOneNil |
Aren’t Cardiff struggling! 4th bottom.
Really surprises me seeing as they’ve got Mick at the helm. He’s normally amazing. |  | | |  |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:16 - Oct 21 with 1260 views | hype313 |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 09:13 - Oct 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Read it. It's a very balanced discussion. |
Think my second para was as balanced as you could get.
I'm over this whole Mick debate, it's been done to death.
He's a poundland John Duncan. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:16 - Oct 21 with 1209 views | Churchman |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 07:20 - Oct 21 by Vic |
Cant agree with you Mach. No manager will be swayed too much by fans - we’ve always been experts and most of us are wrong. OST of the time. Partly because we lack any real knowledge of pro football and partly because we don’t know all the in-house, behaving the scenes nuances of a club.
He’s a professional footie coach, paid to do a job. He has his methods and style of play which have been successful in the passed, but no longer work for any length of time. |
I think this is fair comment.
MM has a way of doing things and it has served him well over the years. Personally, while respecting his success I’ve never been a fan of the way his teams play or warmed to him as an individual. However I’ve not met the bloke and I’ve certainly no idea how a football club works on the inside, other than by snippets from the likes of Dyer, Lee etc.
MM had a successful three years here followed largely by decline - most of it down to Evans hollowing the club out. He was good at finding players, especially from speculative punts and was clearly respected by the players. He certainly knew how he wanted to set a team up.
For me, the mugs that preceded and succeeded him are irrelevant. I can’t look back on his time with any great fondness apart from the relegation escape and some games in the play off season (Charlton, Watford away, dirty Leeds and Middlesbrough at home in particular). I wish him and TC well in the future. |  | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:54 - Oct 21 with 1169 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:16 - Oct 21 by Churchman |
I think this is fair comment.
MM has a way of doing things and it has served him well over the years. Personally, while respecting his success I’ve never been a fan of the way his teams play or warmed to him as an individual. However I’ve not met the bloke and I’ve certainly no idea how a football club works on the inside, other than by snippets from the likes of Dyer, Lee etc.
MM had a successful three years here followed largely by decline - most of it down to Evans hollowing the club out. He was good at finding players, especially from speculative punts and was clearly respected by the players. He certainly knew how he wanted to set a team up.
For me, the mugs that preceded and succeeded him are irrelevant. I can’t look back on his time with any great fondness apart from the relegation escape and some games in the play off season (Charlton, Watford away, dirty Leeds and Middlesbrough at home in particular). I wish him and TC well in the future. |
Well put. He's a lovely bloke incidentally and the players loved playing for him. Wish he'd left us a season before he did. |  | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:58 - Oct 21 with 1150 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 23:13 - Oct 20 by Keaneish |
What I found interesting tonight is that he moved away from his 5 CB strategy to play a more attacking system, which, by all accounts, had a lot more endeavour. Now, the obvious question is, why not do this against your fierce local rivals? Why wait until it’s really toxic to finally succumb to fan pressure. Seems he does give a flyin’ one after all…
Where do people think he’ll go from here? |
Where does he go from here is an interesting question. Unless he turns performances and results around quickly he'll soon be out of a job. Although it sounds like there is potential to improve things if last night was a bit more ambitious.
But as for what's next after Cardiff assuming he's sacked soon, I wonder what level his stock is really at. It's been a long time since he had any success. His name will carry a bit of weight and his Ireland stint was seen as making the best of a bad situation. He doesn't scream 'progressive manager who's going to get you promoted' any more now though. Remember his Wolves side went up by actually playing some good stuff around his wingers. He's gone increasingly more Pulis-like since then. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:03 - Oct 21 with 1134 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:58 - Oct 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Where does he go from here is an interesting question. Unless he turns performances and results around quickly he'll soon be out of a job. Although it sounds like there is potential to improve things if last night was a bit more ambitious.
But as for what's next after Cardiff assuming he's sacked soon, I wonder what level his stock is really at. It's been a long time since he had any success. His name will carry a bit of weight and his Ireland stint was seen as making the best of a bad situation. He doesn't scream 'progressive manager who's going to get you promoted' any more now though. Remember his Wolves side went up by actually playing some good stuff around his wingers. He's gone increasingly more Pulis-like since then. |
someone (joe?) was saying on here that he should see himself as a fire-fighter, sort out a club quickly, save them from relegation, get a big pay cheque and move on.
seems to be his best quality, better for his reputation and bank balance too? | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:33 - Oct 21 with 1104 views | textbackup |
what was it he said when nobody even asked... "that went well" |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:42 - Oct 21 with 1084 views | Keaneish |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:33 - Oct 21 by textbackup |
what was it he said when nobody even asked... "that went well" |
Haha! I’d forgotten about that. For some whose, “..been in the game long enough to know…”, he clearly hasn’t learnt that there are always ups and downs. I guess the ego took over on that one. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 13:52 - Oct 21 with 1028 views | Hipsterectomy |
I listened to a Cardiff podcast on the way to work, View From the Ninian which was interesting (and entertaining). They definitely see Mick as a senile old man there and have zero affection for the guy. There’s quite a few comparisons with us in that every season the owner makes funding cuts, Mick has slowly gained more control of the running of the club, they have 10/11 first teamers out of contract in the summer which always seemed to happen here. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 13:55 - Oct 21 with 1022 views | DavoIPB |
There's an even bigger problem with Mick than just results. His style of football is so rubbish that the fans give up watching. Football after all is about entertainment. It's the only real reason I have been to the home games this year (moved away last year so it's a bit of a hike). The football level is still awful at times and we look like we could lose from a 3-0 winning position but it is very entertaining. | | | |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 13:58 - Oct 21 with 1010 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:03 - Oct 21 by positivity |
someone (joe?) was saying on here that he should see himself as a fire-fighter, sort out a club quickly, save them from relegation, get a big pay cheque and move on.
seems to be his best quality, better for his reputation and bank balance too? |
Possibly. Although he seems to leave clubs in a bit of a mess. Whether that's because he manages to paper over the cracks or he genuinely leaves them in a worse position, I'm not so sure about. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:14 - Oct 21 with 980 views | Steve_M |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 13:52 - Oct 21 by Hipsterectomy |
I listened to a Cardiff podcast on the way to work, View From the Ninian which was interesting (and entertaining). They definitely see Mick as a senile old man there and have zero affection for the guy. There’s quite a few comparisons with us in that every season the owner makes funding cuts, Mick has slowly gained more control of the running of the club, they have 10/11 first teamers out of contract in the summer which always seemed to happen here. |
Cardiff are reminding me of Sunderland in the Premier about a decade ago, albeit a division lower. An annual change of manager - didn't Harris do quite well when first appointed? - seems to keep them comfortably mid-table but then there isn't enough to start the next season strongly. And then repeat.
It worked at Sunderland for a few years, right until it didn't. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:14 - Oct 21 with 976 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 13:58 - Oct 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Possibly. Although he seems to leave clubs in a bit of a mess. Whether that's because he manages to paper over the cracks or he genuinely leaves them in a worse position, I'm not so sure about. |
he does leave them in a mess, but that damage generally isn't done in the first year... | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:29 - Oct 21 with 955 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 11:33 - Oct 21 by textbackup |
what was it he said when nobody even asked... "that went well" |
Since he left us he's managed the Republic of Ireland and Cardiff who are in the Championship. Meanwhile, we've finished bottom of the Championship with a pitiful points total and had back to back mid table finishes in League 1, where we currently sit 13th. I think the gloating from some quarters is a little misplaced. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:33 - Oct 21 with 949 views | Coastalblue |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 10:58 - Oct 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Where does he go from here is an interesting question. Unless he turns performances and results around quickly he'll soon be out of a job. Although it sounds like there is potential to improve things if last night was a bit more ambitious.
But as for what's next after Cardiff assuming he's sacked soon, I wonder what level his stock is really at. It's been a long time since he had any success. His name will carry a bit of weight and his Ireland stint was seen as making the best of a bad situation. He doesn't scream 'progressive manager who's going to get you promoted' any more now though. Remember his Wolves side went up by actually playing some good stuff around his wingers. He's gone increasingly more Pulis-like since then. |
He was never actually that popular at Wolves believe or not, more of a begrudging respect. The company I worked for at the time had a box there and I used to get the chance to go there fairly often and while you could undoubtedly pick out a decent and quite long highlights reel from that time there was also a lot of what we became accustomed to embedded in as well.
I think he's a guy who for a few years now has accepted that he's happy to grind out mid table and be respectable and then if it does click every so often all well and good. Clearly the jobs he's had have dictated that to a degree as well.
I hope he gets to leave in a better way that he did here and opts to top up the bank balance with occcasional pundit jobs. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:36 - Oct 21 with 943 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:14 - Oct 21 by positivity |
he does leave them in a mess, but that damage generally isn't done in the first year... |
He didn't leave us in a mess though. He left us midtable in the Championship with a squad that had a good blend of young prospects and more established players. The mess was created by his successor ripping the guts out of the squad and replacing it with lower league players who weren't good enough to step up. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:50 - Oct 21 with 920 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:36 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
He didn't leave us in a mess though. He left us midtable in the Championship with a squad that had a good blend of young prospects and more established players. The mess was created by his successor ripping the guts out of the squad and replacing it with lower league players who weren't good enough to step up. |
or he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees, a disillusioned fanbase and players on short contracts.
we've discussed this before many times, i doubt you'll convince me to change my mind, and i know i won't convince you! | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:51 - Oct 21 with 916 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:50 - Oct 21 by positivity |
or he left us in a mess with an ageing squad with too much player power, over-reliant on loanees, a disillusioned fanbase and players on short contracts.
we've discussed this before many times, i doubt you'll convince me to change my mind, and i know i won't convince you! |
Yeah, you won't convince me as you're clearly talking nonsense. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:59 - Oct 21 with 904 views | positivity |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:51 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
Yeah, you won't convince me as you're clearly talking nonsense. |
*sigh*! | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:16 - Oct 21 with 894 views | clive_baker |
Good mate of mine is a Cardiff ST holder. He's absolutely furious at the situation, hating on McCarthy and I must say the theme is familiar. I liked Mick here on the whole, and think his pragmatism, ability to man manage and eye for a bargain really helped paper over some cracks and underinvestment, but I can see how he's got a shelf life. It's a brand of football that relies so much on results. It's passable while the points are rolling in, but the second that stops happening there will be little appetite for it.
He said they lines up at Swansea with 5 centre backs and 2 holding midfielders, and still lost 3-0. Not fact checked that claim, but it does sound pretty dire. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:18 - Oct 21 with 880 views | textbackup |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:29 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
Since he left us he's managed the Republic of Ireland and Cardiff who are in the Championship. Meanwhile, we've finished bottom of the Championship with a pitiful points total and had back to back mid table finishes in League 1, where we currently sit 13th. I think the gloating from some quarters is a little misplaced. |
Well done him.
Both went well. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:50 - Oct 21 with 836 views | noggin |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:29 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
Since he left us he's managed the Republic of Ireland and Cardiff who are in the Championship. Meanwhile, we've finished bottom of the Championship with a pitiful points total and had back to back mid table finishes in League 1, where we currently sit 13th. I think the gloating from some quarters is a little misplaced. |
I guess it depends on what you want on a match day. I took up crochet as it was more exciting than the football under Mick. |  |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:53 - Oct 21 with 823 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:50 - Oct 21 by noggin |
I guess it depends on what you want on a match day. I took up crochet as it was more exciting than the football under Mick. |
Have you watched us since he left? Promising signs this season but prior to that we've been dreadful for 3 years. | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:55 - Oct 21 with 821 views | noggin |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:53 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
Have you watched us since he left? Promising signs this season but prior to that we've been dreadful for 3 years. |
Oh, I continued with the crochet up until this season | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 16:04 - Oct 21 with 798 views | Herbivore |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 15:55 - Oct 21 by noggin |
Oh, I continued with the crochet up until this season |
Very wise. I foolishly kept my season ticket (last season aside). | |
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| Took my Eye off the Championship on 16:07 - Oct 21 with 799 views | BudapestByBlimp |
| Took my Eye off the Championship on 14:29 - Oct 21 by Herbivore |
Since he left us he's managed the Republic of Ireland and Cardiff who are in the Championship. Meanwhile, we've finished bottom of the Championship with a pitiful points total and had back to back mid table finishes in League 1, where we currently sit 13th. I think the gloating from some quarters is a little misplaced. |
You've missed out his spell at APOEL where he had 5 defeats in 8 games.
I can see why Mick would be a good man-manager and I think he performed well under the circumstances, but his football was boring and disjointed with only a few exceptions over the years. Why do you think we're achieving higher attendances in the lower reaches of League One than we did in the Championship? |  | | |
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