| Paul Cook Previous Track Record 11:55 - Nov 25 with 1606 views | BristolBlue42 |
Interesting reading the debate on Paul Cook (PC) in/out.
Looking at the data it looks like PC had instant success with Wigan & Portsmouth with promotion in first season and win percentages of circa 60%. Not sure how this fits into his current narrative.
The only time he won promotion in a second season was Chesterfield (League 2, 8 years ago), but he did have a win percentage of nearly 60% in the first season after taking over at end October. Again not sure how this then fits his current narrative.
Where he had a win percentage similar to here his tenure was less than 12 months (Southport & Accrington).
So with our CEO being keen on data driven approach I wonder if this is a factor?
I agree that we have a great squad on paper for this league, Paul Cook is not the man to get what we need out of them this season or next.
His success seems to be down to opposing managers taking a while to work out how to deal with his system. I think we can all agree that at this level in 2021, most opposing managers have worked it out. I don't believe he has the tactical nouse to change things.
Long term TWTD voyeur, first time in years I have felt any inclination to post.
Cook out.
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 12:42 - Nov 25 with 1475 views | TonyHumesIpswich |
Good post. I do agree with most of it but would add "great squad on paper, except the defence". Shame we let Wilson go, we need that solid presence at the back. | | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 12:50 - Nov 25 with 1441 views | itfcjoe |
Cook took two years to get Pompey up I think? |  |
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:01 - Nov 25 with 1374 views | backwaywhen |
Did he not have Leam Richardson as his assistant on all those promotions ….. there is the problem he has here , no old mucker helping him with the tactics / systems to play piecing it together on the training ground ready for match day . | | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:02 - Nov 25 with 1371 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 12:50 - Nov 25 by itfcjoe |
Cook took two years to get Pompey up I think? |
Yeah, think you're right. Fairly average first year. |  | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:02 - Nov 25 with 1369 views | Pinewoodblue |
He also walked away from Wigan when they needed him just days before the start of a new season. |  |
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:06 - Nov 25 with 1348 views | tractorboy1978 |
He took two seasons at Pompey.
I think what you've posted is largely incorrect to be honest. You can't say he had 8 years of pretty much constant success because it took other managers 8 years to be able to work it out.
Big issue for me is he seems to have totally got himself in a muddle now. For a manager that's always been dead set on the attributes he wants in each role within that system, he's changing it all too much. Donacien and Clements are not Paul Cook full backs. It's not the only issue but I think those two positions along with the two wide midfielders have been a key driver in our failure so far. His sides have always been about pace and directness out wide. | | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:08 - Nov 25 with 1332 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:02 - Nov 25 by Pinewoodblue |
He also walked away from Wigan when they needed him just days before the start of a new season. |
Incorrect, it was 6 weeks before the season started and with very valid reason. | | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:31 - Nov 25 with 1203 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:08 - Nov 25 by tractorboy1978 |
Incorrect, it was 6 weeks before the season started and with very valid reason. |
I was forgetting the impact of Covid on the 2019/20 season and the late start to 2020/21.
Agree he left on a matter of principle but he walked away from a challenging position. | |
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:46 - Nov 25 with 1135 views | Oldboy |
He ain't been any good here and that's all that matters really. |  | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 14:00 - Nov 25 with 1063 views | CokeIsKey |
It should be quite obvious what’s going on now. With Richardson his win percentage was decent at around 60% each full season, but without Richardson he failed at Accrington and Southport (24% and 17.9% respectively).
As soon as he takes a job without Richardson, surprise surprise his win percentage basically halves at 31%, while Richardson’s is a whopping 65%. Wigan even had a similar turnover of players but while spending less money.
And it’s easy to see the traits he has which makes him a bad manager on his own - inflexible, tactically confused and a bad coach. These are traits which will not change regardless of time which is why it’s so strange seeing people wanting to give him multiple seasons. |  |
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 14:18 - Nov 25 with 995 views | SitfcB |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 13:02 - Nov 25 by Pinewoodblue |
He also walked away from Wigan when they needed him just days before the start of a new season. |
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 14:34 - Nov 25 with 957 views | Churchman |
Cook’s track record was good reason to appoint him. But it doesn’t matter if he won three Champions Leagues, the Premier League ten times and Intergalactic Cup elsewhere. At this club in 8 months his performance has been pathetic.
Maybe his players will win the next three games and restore some credibility. But since, according to Cook, we aspire to be like mighty Rotherham, 4 points is a more realistic target. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 15:32]
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| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 14:47 - Nov 25 with 918 views | eireblue |
I also suspect that any decision on Cook will be data lead.
But you can also see that as a reason PC may stay on, into January.
E.g. As some have mentioned, if the fullbacks are not delivering, statistically, on what is expected, PC can point and say stuff like, see my front 4 are doing okay, but I need to look for fullbacks that deliver X performance.
There may also an element of hopeful thinking. E.g. If ITFC can get a run of X wins, before a date, then there remains a possibility that the play-offs are achievable.
But once that possibility has passed, the owners will have two bits of data. PC and team can’t string a run of wins together, and play-offs are not likely. At that point, change of manager seems a reasonable choice. I think that point will be reached well before “mathematically” not possible happens. |  | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 15:06 - Nov 25 with 877 views | Jon_456 |
Another view based on 'data' is Wigan were sat 2nd bottom of the Champ on 23 points after 28 games in Jan 2020.
From that point it looks like they finally clicked and picked up 36 points from 18 games and were 2nd in the table over that 18 game period.
So the counter argument is that it just takes his teams longer than most teams to click. Whether thats the case in this scenario and if he'll be given that time remains to be seen. | | | |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 15:17 - Nov 25 with 838 views | The_Realist_09 |
| Paul Cook Previous Track Record on 14:00 - Nov 25 by CokeIsKey |
It should be quite obvious what’s going on now. With Richardson his win percentage was decent at around 60% each full season, but without Richardson he failed at Accrington and Southport (24% and 17.9% respectively).
As soon as he takes a job without Richardson, surprise surprise his win percentage basically halves at 31%, while Richardson’s is a whopping 65%. Wigan even had a similar turnover of players but while spending less money.
And it’s easy to see the traits he has which makes him a bad manager on his own - inflexible, tactically confused and a bad coach. These are traits which will not change regardless of time which is why it’s so strange seeing people wanting to give him multiple seasons. |
It's worth noting that Richardson was Cooks assistant at Accrington and also struggled as manager after Cook left.
I think this was Richardson's first gig though. | | | |
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