| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:48 - Dec 23 with 865 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:37 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
I would have agreed with you previously and there is huge scope around what "not feeling 100%" actually means. There should be discussions around that, discussions are good.
In general though, I don't agree with you anymore. If your symptomatic (for instance having a cold) then you shouldn't be in work if it's at all possible.
You say it's a staggering attitude but someone else has already replied to you with the same answer as me so perhaps it's not as unusual as you think.
Now of course I understand that every job is different and it's easier in some jobs than others but I certainly believe things are changing - you can see that even in this thread.
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Well thankfully I won't take a great deal of influence from one post and on TW4TD of all places.
Not sure what profession you are in or where you are but I don't see your attitude anywhere, in fact I see the compete opposite. I swear to god I am quite knocked back by your views. Everyone I know regardless of their age or political views puts's a bloody great shift in - and fair play to them.
Edit; And even if they have a bit of a sniffle. [Post edited 23 Dec 2021 22:50]
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:56 - Dec 23 with 834 views | StokieBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:48 - Dec 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Well thankfully I won't take a great deal of influence from one post and on TW4TD of all places.
Not sure what profession you are in or where you are but I don't see your attitude anywhere, in fact I see the compete opposite. I swear to god I am quite knocked back by your views. Everyone I know regardless of their age or political views puts's a bloody great shift in - and fair play to them.
Edit; And even if they have a bit of a sniffle. [Post edited 23 Dec 2021 22:50]
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The implication that someone having a day away from their workplace because they are ill and don't want to infect others means they are skiving is frankly a reflection on your attitudes and not on the attitudes of those individuals.
It's OK though, as long as people put in a great bloody shift who cares what their infect their colleagues with eh?
Proper men wouldn't stay home when sick after all.
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:58 - Dec 23 with 830 views | longtimefan |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:37 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
I would have agreed with you previously and there is huge scope around what "not feeling 100%" actually means. There should be discussions around that, discussions are good.
In general though, I don't agree with you anymore. If your symptomatic (for instance having a cold) then you shouldn't be in work if it's at all possible.
You say it's a staggering attitude but someone else has already replied to you with the same answer as me so perhaps it's not as unusual as you think.
Now of course I understand that every job is different and it's easier in some jobs than others but I certainly believe things are changing - you can see that even in this thread.
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I agree with you in principle but it needs a change of emphasis by employers. Many large employers still have HR teams that manage sick leave using the Bradford Factor which unfortunately completely disincentivizes correct employee behaviours. |  | | |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:59 - Dec 23 with 827 views | StokieBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:58 - Dec 23 by longtimefan |
I agree with you in principle but it needs a change of emphasis by employers. Many large employers still have HR teams that manage sick leave using the Bradford Factor which unfortunately completely disincentivizes correct employee behaviours. |
Totally agree and I think (and hope) that shift is occurring. It certainly is for many I know.
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:09 - Dec 23 with 789 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 20:43 - Dec 23 by jeera |
Less tax?
People on PAYE don't tend to get large VAT bills to pay. |
VAT is a tax collected by a business on behalf of the government. Unlike corporation tax, VAT was never the company's money in the first place and should be built into the cost of the service or sale provided.
So it's not a tax on a business or a company. It's a tax on the consumer that the business collects for HMRC. |  |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:19 - Dec 23 with 762 views | Trequartista |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 21:34 - Dec 23 by Lord_Lucan |
I know you're a good guy Homey so I'm not arguing for the sake of it - but I can't understand why someone wouldn't go to work if they were feeling sick, as long as they were well enough to do their job. |
Agree 100%. If you are well enough to your job and it's not something that will harm others e.g. covid, then you should work. No-one is going die from a cold. I would feel i was cheating my employer if i didn't make the effort. |  |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:27 - Dec 23 with 750 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:56 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
The implication that someone having a day away from their workplace because they are ill and don't want to infect others means they are skiving is frankly a reflection on your attitudes and not on the attitudes of those individuals.
It's OK though, as long as people put in a great bloody shift who cares what their infect their colleagues with eh?
Proper men wouldn't stay home when sick after all.
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Oh here we go again, the new found Stokie 100% correct about everything - and twisting as he goes.
It's about the degree of illness and whether you can go in and do your job. It's a two way thing with employees and employers.
Do the best you can for yourself and others and don't be a big girls blouse. | |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:30 - Dec 23 with 744 views | lowhouseblue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:56 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
The implication that someone having a day away from their workplace because they are ill and don't want to infect others means they are skiving is frankly a reflection on your attitudes and not on the attitudes of those individuals.
It's OK though, as long as people put in a great bloody shift who cares what their infect their colleagues with eh?
Proper men wouldn't stay home when sick after all.
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covid is clearly very different. but the idea that in future we will change work practices to avoid the risk of anyone catching a cold is a bit extreme. a mild cold would be a poor excuse not to be in work and to expect sick pay. we can't start getting afraid of colds. |  |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:32 - Dec 23 with 732 views | StokieBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:30 - Dec 23 by lowhouseblue |
covid is clearly very different. but the idea that in future we will change work practices to avoid the risk of anyone catching a cold is a bit extreme. a mild cold would be a poor excuse not to be in work and to expect sick pay. we can't start getting afraid of colds. |
I've covered this previously, there are obviously discussions to be had around what constitutes being sick but I do think the days of people turning up and coughing absolutely everywhere should be over.
Let's face it, that is far from an uncommon occurrence pre-covid.
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:34 - Dec 23 with 721 views | StokieBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:27 - Dec 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh here we go again, the new found Stokie 100% correct about everything - and twisting as he goes.
It's about the degree of illness and whether you can go in and do your job. It's a two way thing with employees and employers.
Do the best you can for yourself and others and don't be a big girls blouse. |
You've played the man not the ball. Your posts have clearly stated that people are only putting in a good shift if they turn up in these instances.
I've never mentioned a cold and Homers original point was around being sick. You've latched onto a cold as if it's the only illness that exists. I've clearly stated symptomatic illness. I've also stated there is discussions around what constitutes being sick.
I've not had a sick day for as long as I can remember, that doesn't mean I can't change my opinions. I am sure there have been times I've been at work with an awful cough when in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do.
This is a discussion that needs to be had in general though and calling people "big girls blouses" or criticising them for "not putting in a big shift" isn't particularly helpful.
SB [Post edited 23 Dec 2021 23:42]
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:34 - Dec 23 with 720 views | lowhouseblue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:32 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
I've covered this previously, there are obviously discussions to be had around what constitutes being sick but I do think the days of people turning up and coughing absolutely everywhere should be over.
Let's face it, that is far from an uncommon occurrence pre-covid.
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catching colds is pretty much part of being human. are we going to ban people with coughs from shops and hospitality? we're still all going to catch a cold every winter. covid can't turn us into long-term hypochondriacs. | |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:37 - Dec 23 with 704 views | StokieBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:34 - Dec 23 by lowhouseblue |
catching colds is pretty much part of being human. are we going to ban people with coughs from shops and hospitality? we're still all going to catch a cold every winter. covid can't turn us into long-term hypochondriacs. |
I never mentioned a cold.
That's a big difference to turning up at work with a cough and coughing all over everyone. You can continue to do that if you wish. I'll WFH and not infect my colleagues with whatever I have. Plenty of people are onboard with this thinking.
I have also said that I am aware that people have different jobs and the situation is different for everyone with regards to whether they can do that.
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:39 - Dec 23 with 699 views | StokieBlue |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:34 - Dec 23 by lowhouseblue |
catching colds is pretty much part of being human. are we going to ban people with coughs from shops and hospitality? we're still all going to catch a cold every winter. covid can't turn us into long-term hypochondriacs. |
I think you'll find many people might be more considerate about going to hospitality with a raging cough but perhaps I will be proven wrong.
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:56 - Dec 23 with 670 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:34 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
You've played the man not the ball. Your posts have clearly stated that people are only putting in a good shift if they turn up in these instances.
I've never mentioned a cold and Homers original point was around being sick. You've latched onto a cold as if it's the only illness that exists. I've clearly stated symptomatic illness. I've also stated there is discussions around what constitutes being sick.
I've not had a sick day for as long as I can remember, that doesn't mean I can't change my opinions. I am sure there have been times I've been at work with an awful cough when in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do.
This is a discussion that needs to be had in general though and calling people "big girls blouses" or criticising them for "not putting in a big shift" isn't particularly helpful.
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No I'm not - just because I have an opinion doesn't mean I am playing the man - although it seems that everyone who disagrees with you about anything is wrong. Not sure what happened to the Stokie of a couple of years ago but ho hum.
Stokie - I've never mentioned a cold ----- "in general though, I don't agree with you anymore. If your symptomatic (for instance having a cold) then you shouldn't be in work if it's at all possible"
I am right and the end of the world is nigh. Just because things haven't turned out as I have said doesn't mean that I was wrong.
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:04 - Dec 24 with 662 views | Churchman |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:34 - Dec 23 by lowhouseblue |
catching colds is pretty much part of being human. are we going to ban people with coughs from shops and hospitality? we're still all going to catch a cold every winter. covid can't turn us into long-term hypochondriacs. |
Maybe if people observe decent hygiene standards like washing their hands, not coughing over their fellow travellers, using tissues and staying at home when Ill less people will get colds and flu. Is this a bad thing? Of course it isn’t. Surely Covid has taught us that if nothing else. I’m with SB on this. [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 0:10]
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:14 - Dec 24 with 637 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:04 - Dec 24 by Churchman |
Maybe if people observe decent hygiene standards like washing their hands, not coughing over their fellow travellers, using tissues and staying at home when Ill less people will get colds and flu. Is this a bad thing? Of course it isn’t. Surely Covid has taught us that if nothing else. I’m with SB on this. [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 0:10]
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Your kid goes to school and catches a cold, you give your kid a hug and a kiss and you catch a cold. You feel a bit sh1t but you go to work because you can and you get on with life.
I mean, what the hell is wrong with people?
Thankfully TW4TD doesn't seem to be aligned to the real world in any way. | |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:20 - Dec 24 with 616 views | wkj |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:14 - Dec 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Your kid goes to school and catches a cold, you give your kid a hug and a kiss and you catch a cold. You feel a bit sh1t but you go to work because you can and you get on with life.
I mean, what the hell is wrong with people?
Thankfully TW4TD doesn't seem to be aligned to the real world in any way. |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:27 - Dec 24 with 600 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 00:20 - Dec 24 by wkj |
Don't be such a big girl's blouse |
Don't be such a meanie.
I'm off to bed now because I've got to be up in 16 hours to answer a couple of emails.
I just pray that I can get through it all.
See ya later alligator. | |
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| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 01:00 - Dec 24 with 578 views | XYZ |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 23:56 - Dec 23 by Lord_Lucan |
No I'm not - just because I have an opinion doesn't mean I am playing the man - although it seems that everyone who disagrees with you about anything is wrong. Not sure what happened to the Stokie of a couple of years ago but ho hum.
Stokie - I've never mentioned a cold ----- "in general though, I don't agree with you anymore. If your symptomatic (for instance having a cold) then you shouldn't be in work if it's at all possible"
I am right and the end of the world is nigh. Just because things haven't turned out as I have said doesn't mean that I was wrong.
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"I'm not playing the man", whilst mocking his posting style. Righto, some might believe you. | | | |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 01:05 - Dec 24 with 569 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Which feeble-minded tory backbencher on 22:27 - Dec 23 by Lord_Lucan |
The thing is Stokie I don't agree with your opinion but I accept it, you however are telling me that things have changed whether I like it or not.
So, let's just say you aren't feeling quite 100%. You think it's ok to just not work?
Staggering attitute. |
Stokie's way or the hi-way fella. Colds ain't what they used to be. |  |
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