| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging 22:58 - Dec 29 with 9415 views | Lord_Lucan |
Can't believe the comments - well I can actually.
You, I and the other know as much about the case as the next man, which isn't a lot - all we know are the headlines from across the pond.
Here we have a women who has been mentally and physically dominated and manipulated her whole life - which stems back from her father from the day of her first memory.
Poor show
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:00 - Dec 30 with 1962 views | Cotty |
To the OP:
Almost all people who commit sexual abuse of minors were subject to abuse themselves as children. Do you defend common or garden pedophiles in this same way? If not, please ask yourself what the differences are here.
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:04 - Dec 30 with 1944 views | HARRY10 |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:00 - Dec 30 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm not condoning what went on or anything like that. I just don't dig the joy that people have over the conviction and soon to be death of a women who has suffered a life of physical and psychological crucification.
I guess it takes all sorts........... |
"and soon to be death of a women "
eh ? |  | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:07 - Dec 30 with 1934 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:04 - Dec 30 by HARRY10 |
"and soon to be death of a women "
eh ? |
Premonition of an Epstein-esque episode? More likely over-reliance on terrible reporting. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:09 - Dec 30 with 1923 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 12:28 - Dec 30 by footers |
Well, the jury know more than any of us and found her guilty of five charges so there is always that I suppose.
Very strange take. |
Hmm, they weren’t privy to the inside info on Twitter though.. Or right wing media commentators (I’m only aware of the Spectator, but that guarantees the others will be taking a similar stance). |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:21 - Dec 30 with 1897 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:07 - Dec 30 by Cotty |
Premonition of an Epstein-esque episode? More likely over-reliance on terrible reporting. |
I’ve seen nothing to suggest a death sentence, so I suppose an Epstein outcome may have been in the OP’s mind. I’d be against a death sentence if it was an option - a horrendous practice. | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:24 - Dec 30 with 1889 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:21 - Dec 30 by Swansea_Blue |
I’ve seen nothing to suggest a death sentence, so I suppose an Epstein outcome may have been in the OP’s mind. I’d be against a death sentence if it was an option - a horrendous practice. |
There’s a reason we outlawed it decades ago. Makes the state no better than the perpetrator. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:28 - Dec 30 with 1873 views | Ryorry |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:10 - Dec 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah right, so it’s been politicised and polarised along the normal lines then. I’ve kept well clear of the news and social media this holiday, so that explains what’s going on with this thread. Anything that happens these days gets weaponised, it’s fkn ridiculous and not doing any of us any good. |
Some politicisation in the media yes, but I don't think that's been the driver in this thread. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:40 - Dec 30 with 1854 views | lowhouseblue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:28 - Dec 30 by Ryorry |
Some politicisation in the media yes, but I don't think that's been the driver in this thread. |
agree, this thread hasn't been politicised. the op was expressing empathy for someone whose life had taken a very bad turn. but, in the end the judicial system seems to have done its job, and facilitating and abetting serious crimes is morally little different from committing those same crimes. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:50 - Dec 30 with 1821 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:40 - Dec 30 by lowhouseblue |
agree, this thread hasn't been politicised. the op was expressing empathy for someone whose life had taken a very bad turn. but, in the end the judicial system seems to have done its job, and facilitating and abetting serious crimes is morally little different from committing those same crimes. |
ALL offenders have had something go wrong in their lives. Why is this offender picked out for sympathy? It exhibits a lack of understanding as to why commoners also offend. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:55 - Dec 30 with 1814 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:40 - Dec 30 by lowhouseblue |
agree, this thread hasn't been politicised. the op was expressing empathy for someone whose life had taken a very bad turn. but, in the end the judicial system seems to have done its job, and facilitating and abetting serious crimes is morally little different from committing those same crimes. |
She wasn’t aiding and abetting, she was fully complicit. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:01 - Dec 31 with 1792 views | jeera |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:55 - Dec 30 by Cotty |
She wasn’t aiding and abetting, she was fully complicit. |
Quite, she was the fixer.
I also don't know where the idea has come from that Swansea suggested the thread itself was politically driven.
He's clearly talking about media influence on people's perception according to each outlet's spin. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:07 - Dec 31 with 1771 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:01 - Dec 31 by jeera |
Quite, she was the fixer.
I also don't know where the idea has come from that Swansea suggested the thread itself was politically driven.
He's clearly talking about media influence on people's perception according to each outlet's spin. |
She was essentially kidnapping young GIRLS in full knowledge of the hell that was to befall them. I don’t care what experiences she had as a child, she needs to be removed from society. Some people seem to be bewitched by the glamour of her social status. There is nothing glamorous about kidnapping children to be rape slaves.
Edit: typo [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 0:08]
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:10 - Dec 31 with 1767 views | Terra_Farma |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:02 - Dec 30 by jeera |
Just to be clear on this bit, has there been any mention of capital punishment being a possibility in sentencing? |
No Jeera, however, Lord Lucan deserves a Victorian frontal lobotomy.
What a co.ck socket | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:12 - Dec 31 with 1762 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:10 - Dec 31 by Terra_Farma |
No Jeera, however, Lord Lucan deserves a Victorian frontal lobotomy.
What a co.ck socket |
There is no value in insulting people in this way. We should correct misinformation, not target the individual. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:16 - Dec 31 with 1754 views | HARRY10 |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:01 - Dec 31 by jeera |
Quite, she was the fixer.
I also don't know where the idea has come from that Swansea suggested the thread itself was politically driven.
He's clearly talking about media influence on people's perception according to each outlet's spin. |
It allowed hi to use one of the current buzz words - weaponising
I am not sure of it's meaning, nor I suspect, those using it either. But it does give the user the feeling of being hip.
Much as any increase is now talked of as spiking - though not bread (so far). | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:19 - Dec 31 with 1749 views | jeera |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:16 - Dec 31 by HARRY10 |
It allowed hi to use one of the current buzz words - weaponising
I am not sure of it's meaning, nor I suspect, those using it either. But it does give the user the feeling of being hip.
Much as any increase is now talked of as spiking - though not bread (so far). |
If you think I was criticising Swansea then you have misunderstood my post.
Not much he said there is wrong at all. | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:22 - Dec 31 with 1741 views | Terra_Farma |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:12 - Dec 31 by Cotty |
There is no value in insulting people in this way. We should correct misinformation, not target the individual. |
LL is fully entitled to his opinion.
As am I.
The jury have deliberated and concluded she is guilty.
Maybe you don't have any daughters Cotty?
In terms of an insult, I have barely scratched the surface. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:25 - Dec 31 with 1733 views | XYZ |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:10 - Dec 31 by Terra_Farma |
No Jeera, however, Lord Lucan deserves a Victorian frontal lobotomy.
What a co.ck socket |
He's chosen a strange hill to die on and doubled-down on the OP.
That, however, is beyond acceptable. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:45 - Dec 31 with 1692 views | lowhouseblue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 23:55 - Dec 30 by Cotty |
She wasn’t aiding and abetting, she was fully complicit. |
definition of abetting: encourage or assist (someone) to do something wrong, in particular to commit a crime.
definition of complicit: involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong.
you may see a distinction between the two words that's worth arguing about - not sure i can though. i'm happy with abetting. and indeed facilitating.
very odd. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:49 - Dec 31 with 1675 views | HARRY10 |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:25 - Dec 31 by XYZ |
He's chosen a strange hill to die on and doubled-down on the OP.
That, however, is beyond acceptable. |
Blimey two hip phrases in one. Mind you in double down is good stuff to fill a duvet What did we do before ?
As to Maxwell, I wonder if her father did not instil a contempt for 'ordinary' folk. Having defrauded Mirror group pensioner it is clear he didn't give a fck for other 'lesser' mortals.
I would add that blackmail may well have been part of his rise - if so it may also be the knowledge of how it can be used, which he passed on to his daughter. Might, if true, explain a fair bit | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 01:03 - Dec 31 with 1649 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:22 - Dec 31 by Terra_Farma |
LL is fully entitled to his opinion.
As am I.
The jury have deliberated and concluded she is guilty.
Maybe you don't have any daughters Cotty?
In terms of an insult, I have barely scratched the surface. |
I understand your depth of feeling, trust me. But if I have learnt anything in my short time on this planet, insulting people does not change minds. | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 01:04 - Dec 31 with 1634 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:45 - Dec 31 by lowhouseblue |
definition of abetting: encourage or assist (someone) to do something wrong, in particular to commit a crime.
definition of complicit: involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong.
you may see a distinction between the two words that's worth arguing about - not sure i can though. i'm happy with abetting. and indeed facilitating.
very odd. |
I see the kidnapping as an extremely serious crime. Maybe you don’t.
Edit: maybe I should be more explicit. Aiding and abetting a criminal is letting Raul Moat hole up in your barn overnight. Entrapping and shipping off vulnerable minors for the purpose of prostituting them is NOT. If you can’t see the distinction then I worry about your moral compass. [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 1:09]
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 01:12 - Dec 31 with 1599 views | lowhouseblue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 01:04 - Dec 31 by Cotty |
I see the kidnapping as an extremely serious crime. Maybe you don’t.
Edit: maybe I should be more explicit. Aiding and abetting a criminal is letting Raul Moat hole up in your barn overnight. Entrapping and shipping off vulnerable minors for the purpose of prostituting them is NOT. If you can’t see the distinction then I worry about your moral compass. [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 1:09]
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i really don't know why you're trying to start an argument. it's very odd.
she has been found guilty on 5 counts of grooming and trafficking which are serious crimes (was she charged with kidnapping?).
in terms of her involvement with epstein's wider crimes i'm happy with the description of her as "facilitating and abetting" - and that such behaviour is morally little different to her committing epstein's crimes herself. why you object to that, other than to try to argue about nothing, i have no idea.
edit - and i never used the term "aiding and abetting". [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 1:13]
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 02:00 - Dec 31 with 1537 views | XYZ |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:49 - Dec 31 by HARRY10 |
Blimey two hip phrases in one. Mind you in double down is good stuff to fill a duvet What did we do before ?
As to Maxwell, I wonder if her father did not instil a contempt for 'ordinary' folk. Having defrauded Mirror group pensioner it is clear he didn't give a fck for other 'lesser' mortals.
I would add that blackmail may well have been part of his rise - if so it may also be the knowledge of how it can be used, which he passed on to his daughter. Might, if true, explain a fair bit |
You're going to extraordinary lengths there to explain a sex-trafficking paedophile's actions.
This isn't a discussion about Robert Maxwell's personal failures.
Team paedo eh? | | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 15:43 - Dec 31 with 1250 views | Terra_Farma |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 01:03 - Dec 31 by Cotty |
I understand your depth of feeling, trust me. But if I have learnt anything in my short time on this planet, insulting people does not change minds. |
Cotty - I am not trying to change minds (frankly I couldn't give a funk what people on this forum think of me)
The only thing that every so slightly intertwines us, is ITFC.
Admittedly, LL post pressed my buttons.
There are so many wind up merchants on this forum and regrettably, I took the bait. My serious concern is, LL post wasn't a wind up.
Either way, a shameful post.
Peace, love and empathy. | | | |
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