| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging 22:58 - Dec 29 with 9409 views | Lord_Lucan |
Can't believe the comments - well I can actually.
You, I and the other know as much about the case as the next man, which isn't a lot - all we know are the headlines from across the pond.
Here we have a women who has been mentally and physically dominated and manipulated her whole life - which stems back from her father from the day of her first memory.
Poor show
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 10:30 - Dec 30 with 2301 views | solomon |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 10:07 - Dec 30 by GlasgowBlue |
If she felt that she was also a victim in all of this then she had every opportunity to do so from the stand. As is her right, she declines to do so.
I'm sure there will be a psych evaluation before sentencing, and no doubt her lawyer will paint a picture of a life of mental and physical abuse that will no doubt portray her as a victim in all of this. Somebody who was easily manipulated throughout her life by dominating men.There may even be a modicum of truth in some of what is put forward.
However, she is a grown woman who had a choice. And she chose to procure and coerce vulnerable young women into the arms of an evil and vile serial paedophile. She deserves whatever punishment comes her way.
Justice will be done. That doesn't mean that people* should be cheering or back slapping each other over the guilty verdict. There are no winners in this whole sorry story.
*Other than the victims and the family members of victims who have been waiting a long time for justice to be done. |
True Glassers, there are victims here but it isn’t her. I don’t have daughters but as a parent a can only imagine how those girls and their parents felt after these events, their lives have changed forever, Maxwells needs hers changing too. |  | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 10:49 - Dec 30 with 2242 views | Ryorry |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 10:07 - Dec 30 by GlasgowBlue |
If she felt that she was also a victim in all of this then she had every opportunity to do so from the stand. As is her right, she declines to do so.
I'm sure there will be a psych evaluation before sentencing, and no doubt her lawyer will paint a picture of a life of mental and physical abuse that will no doubt portray her as a victim in all of this. Somebody who was easily manipulated throughout her life by dominating men.There may even be a modicum of truth in some of what is put forward.
However, she is a grown woman who had a choice. And she chose to procure and coerce vulnerable young women into the arms of an evil and vile serial paedophile. She deserves whatever punishment comes her way.
Justice will be done. That doesn't mean that people* should be cheering or back slapping each other over the guilty verdict. There are no winners in this whole sorry story.
*Other than the victims and the family members of victims who have been waiting a long time for justice to be done. |
I think people are just glad that justice has been done, been seen to be done, and not just to one of the "little" people but to one of the wealthy & powerful who so often seem to get away with it.
I'm sure if there's any mitigation to be found, her very expensive lawyers will find it & pursue it. And guess who paid for them?
Just remains for all the others involved in the shameful events to be found, hauled out of hiding, and prosecuted. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 12:28 - Dec 30 with 2115 views | footers |
Well, the jury know more than any of us and found her guilty of five charges so there is always that I suppose.
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 13:08 - Dec 30 with 2030 views | PassionNotAnger |
How this has less downvotes than Makins silliness post is beyond me
This vile human has been convicted of trafficking poor young vulnerable girls (amongst other things) yet you offer not a jot of sympathy for those poor girls but instead the person responsible (jointly in some points, solely responsible for others)
Strange priorities for the allocation of your public sympathies |  | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 14:15 - Dec 30 with 1928 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I have to say I wasn't aware of any abuse from her father?
I think it's accepted that he was a very domineering personality who's business affairs were shady the least, many people lost an awful lot of money as a result of his actions and you have to feel for them. Its probably fair to say that most of his children were scared of him and despite the trappings of wealthy and privilege that they grew up with it was certainly am odd house to grow up in but it does rather seem that Ghislaine was spared from most of that and was in fact the favorite of his children and rather the apple of his eye. Whilst there may be a degree of mitigation it is a v small one, especially set against the backdrop of some truly despicable crimes.
No one takes pleasure in any of this, I think we all agree that it would be much better if none of this had happened, but it did. I have seen nothing come out on the trial the suggests she is anything other than guilty, her defence team promised bombshells, I have seen none. So I don't think it's outrageous that people should be pleased to see justice be done. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 14:29 - Dec 30 with 1877 views | footers |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 14:15 - Dec 30 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I have to say I wasn't aware of any abuse from her father?
I think it's accepted that he was a very domineering personality who's business affairs were shady the least, many people lost an awful lot of money as a result of his actions and you have to feel for them. Its probably fair to say that most of his children were scared of him and despite the trappings of wealthy and privilege that they grew up with it was certainly am odd house to grow up in but it does rather seem that Ghislaine was spared from most of that and was in fact the favorite of his children and rather the apple of his eye. Whilst there may be a degree of mitigation it is a v small one, especially set against the backdrop of some truly despicable crimes.
No one takes pleasure in any of this, I think we all agree that it would be much better if none of this had happened, but it did. I have seen nothing come out on the trial the suggests she is anything other than guilty, her defence team promised bombshells, I have seen none. So I don't think it's outrageous that people should be pleased to see justice be done. |
Lucan's sh1t the bed here.
Many serious criminals weren't brought up in the best of circumstances but that doesn't warrant much sympathy. Sure, everyone is a product of their environment but it doesn't mean they have to continue the same patterns of abuse.
You might as well be asking for understanding for Rose West by that logic. | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 15:36 - Dec 30 with 1790 views | jaykay |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 00:00 - Dec 30 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm not condoning what went on or anything like that. I just don't dig the joy that people have over the conviction and soon to be death of a women who has suffered a life of physical and psychological crucification.
I guess it takes all sorts........... |
yep it takes all sorts.
i wonder who has said she has suffered a life of physical and mental crúcification ,her lawyers no doubt |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 16:48 - Dec 30 with 1708 views | noggin |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 13:08 - Dec 30 by PassionNotAnger |
How this has less downvotes than Makins silliness post is beyond me
This vile human has been convicted of trafficking poor young vulnerable girls (amongst other things) yet you offer not a jot of sympathy for those poor girls but instead the person responsible (jointly in some points, solely responsible for others)
Strange priorities for the allocation of your public sympathies |
Not even as many downies as my post about the Queen's speech. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 16:52 - Dec 30 with 1693 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 16:48 - Dec 30 by noggin |
Not even as many downies as my post about the Queen's speech. |
Not sure if it’s because the OP is one or the popular posters, people just don’t care or there are plenty of people on here that don’t think it’s wrong to have more sympathy for someone who enables abuse of minors than her victims
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 16:57 - Dec 30 with 1680 views | Whos_blue |
Hmmm.
Bit of an odd take this one.
I can't work out if it's a fishing trip or not.
Whilst I'm compmetely against any form of capital punishment, it seems justice has been served and hopefully the sentencing will be appropriate and bring sone closure to the victims.
Whilst it is the case that victims can sometimes become abusers and in my opinion can be afforded "some" sympathy, it doesn't appear to be the case here at all. In fact it seems that Maxwell doubled down in her defence. As far as I'm aware, there has been no contrition shown at all.
Again, an odd take by the OP on this one. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:02 - Dec 30 with 1663 views | jeera |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 16:57 - Dec 30 by Whos_blue |
Hmmm.
Bit of an odd take this one.
I can't work out if it's a fishing trip or not.
Whilst I'm compmetely against any form of capital punishment, it seems justice has been served and hopefully the sentencing will be appropriate and bring sone closure to the victims.
Whilst it is the case that victims can sometimes become abusers and in my opinion can be afforded "some" sympathy, it doesn't appear to be the case here at all. In fact it seems that Maxwell doubled down in her defence. As far as I'm aware, there has been no contrition shown at all.
Again, an odd take by the OP on this one. |
Just to be clear on this bit, has there been any mention of capital punishment being a possibility in sentencing? |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:06 - Dec 30 with 1631 views | Whos_blue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:02 - Dec 30 by jeera |
Just to be clear on this bit, has there been any mention of capital punishment being a possibility in sentencing? |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:16 - Dec 30 with 1601 views | bluelagos |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:02 - Dec 30 by jeera |
Just to be clear on this bit, has there been any mention of capital punishment being a possibility in sentencing? |
No.
American observer on R2 earlier spoke about likely sentencing. She is likely looking at around 30 years according to him.
Then she has a year to offer a plea bargain thing (normally done before a trial) which would mean she can offer/trade info for a more lenient sentence. This could be as low as 8 years if she went down this route according to this guy.
This would involve her giving up whoever may/may not have been involved in abuse of the under age girls. People already understood to have visited Epstein include Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Bill Gates - so there's potentially some quite big names who could get sucked in if she went down that route (if they did anything illegal)
Or she could simply take her sentence and keep quiet. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 17:46]
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:22 - Dec 30 with 1578 views | jeera |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:16 - Dec 30 by bluelagos |
No.
American observer on R2 earlier spoke about likely sentencing. She is likely looking at around 30 years according to him.
Then she has a year to offer a plea bargain thing (normally done before a trial) which would mean she can offer/trade info for a more lenient sentence. This could be as low as 8 years if she went down this route according to this guy.
This would involve her giving up whoever may/may not have been involved in abuse of the under age girls. People already understood to have visited Epstein include Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Bill Gates - so there's potentially some quite big names who could get sucked in if she went down that route (if they did anything illegal)
Or she could simply take her sentence and keep quiet. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 17:46]
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Oh yeah I'm aware of the big names mentioned as you say.
Although it seems during this trial those people weren't associated with the abuse of the victims. Doesn't mean it won't lead to more trials of course.
I don't want to get too involved in this particular thread because yes, I generally have a bit of time for the OP and am thinking maybe he doesn't yet realise some of the kids abused were as young as they were.
Some being as young as 14, this isn't a case of people being taken advantage of, this is purely underage sex-trafficking. | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:33 - Dec 30 with 1547 views | bluelagos |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:22 - Dec 30 by jeera |
Oh yeah I'm aware of the big names mentioned as you say.
Although it seems during this trial those people weren't associated with the abuse of the victims. Doesn't mean it won't lead to more trials of course.
I don't want to get too involved in this particular thread because yes, I generally have a bit of time for the OP and am thinking maybe he doesn't yet realise some of the kids abused were as young as they were.
Some being as young as 14, this isn't a case of people being taken advantage of, this is purely underage sex-trafficking. |
Yeah,
I think the narrative that GM is a victim of Epstein would carry a lot more weight had she admitted her role, and sort to help prosecutors rather than the route she took. She didn't and she instead sort to challenge the honesty/integrity of the victims.
Her lawyers (according to BBC journo who attended court and was also on the radio) went for the victims in the most vicious way. They could only have done this with her consent and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth tbh.
So whilst I can see the argument that she "fell under the spell" of Epstein, her conduct isn't really consistent with that imho.
Anyhow - point being - this could run for some time yet... | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:37 - Dec 30 with 1535 views | Herbivore |
It's harder to make the case that she was a victim herself who was being manipulated by powerful men when she received millions and millions from Epstein, presumably as compensation for her assistance in trafficking young girls for sex. From what I've read it seems she continued trafficking girls long after she escaped from the implied clutches of her relationship with Epstein. Really cannot see how she comes out of this with any sympathy. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:44 - Dec 30 with 1511 views | bluelagos |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0012s52
Can jump to 33 mins for the piece. Not suitable for kids obviously.
Starts with the American guy - then John Sweeney - journo who talks about the trial and her legal team's defense. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 17:51]
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 17:52 - Dec 30 with 1498 views | Cotty |
Child sex trafficking, found guilty. What’s to defend? |  | | |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 20:25 - Dec 30 with 1358 views | BlueBadger |
I know you're a Boris fan Lucan, but turning into Rachel Johnson is a bit much. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 20:49 - Dec 30 with 1308 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 13:08 - Dec 30 by PassionNotAnger |
How this has less downvotes than Makins silliness post is beyond me
This vile human has been convicted of trafficking poor young vulnerable girls (amongst other things) yet you offer not a jot of sympathy for those poor girls but instead the person responsible (jointly in some points, solely responsible for others)
Strange priorities for the allocation of your public sympathies |
Whilst waiting in the swimming car park tonight, I was radio channel surfing and briefly stumbled on LBC. I’ve no idea who the host was, but she was setting up her programme on this issue and in setting the scene said that the only UK media outlet to lead from the perspective of the victims was The Guardian. Everyone else was leading with her and dumbing down the severity of her (pretty horrible) crimes.
I switched off then, but if that’s true it’s a damning indictment of our media and probably goes a long way to explaining the OP.
She may well have had her own problems, but she has to be held account under the rule of law for her actions. And we’re talking about multiple victims with similar testimonies, which reduces the likelihood of this being a miscarriage of justice.
I don’t see how anyone can defend her. And as an aside, nobody on here was revelling in the verdict and wishing her death. The whole premise of this thread is a whopping straw man. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:51]
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:00 - Dec 30 with 1278 views | Mullet |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 20:49 - Dec 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Whilst waiting in the swimming car park tonight, I was radio channel surfing and briefly stumbled on LBC. I’ve no idea who the host was, but she was setting up her programme on this issue and in setting the scene said that the only UK media outlet to lead from the perspective of the victims was The Guardian. Everyone else was leading with her and dumbing down the severity of her (pretty horrible) crimes.
I switched off then, but if that’s true it’s a damning indictment of our media and probably goes a long way to explaining the OP.
She may well have had her own problems, but she has to be held account under the rule of law for her actions. And we’re talking about multiple victims with similar testimonies, which reduces the likelihood of this being a miscarriage of justice.
I don’t see how anyone can defend her. And as an aside, nobody on here was revelling in the verdict and wishing her death. The whole premise of this thread is a whopping straw man. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:51]
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The Spectator has all but defended her it seems. Given their readership though it’s hardly surprising. |  |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:06 - Dec 30 with 1252 views | footers |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:00 - Dec 30 by Mullet |
The Spectator has all but defended her it seems. Given their readership though it’s hardly surprising. |
That's no surprise. The Spectator is a publication for tw@ts, by tw@ts. | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:10 - Dec 30 with 1238 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:00 - Dec 30 by Mullet |
The Spectator has all but defended her it seems. Given their readership though it’s hardly surprising. |
Ah right, so it’s been politicised and polarised along the normal lines then. I’ve kept well clear of the news and social media this holiday, so that explains what’s going on with this thread. Anything that happens these days gets weaponised, it’s fkn ridiculous and not doing any of us any good. | |
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:10 - Dec 30 with 1230 views | Seablu |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 20:49 - Dec 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Whilst waiting in the swimming car park tonight, I was radio channel surfing and briefly stumbled on LBC. I’ve no idea who the host was, but she was setting up her programme on this issue and in setting the scene said that the only UK media outlet to lead from the perspective of the victims was The Guardian. Everyone else was leading with her and dumbing down the severity of her (pretty horrible) crimes.
I switched off then, but if that’s true it’s a damning indictment of our media and probably goes a long way to explaining the OP.
She may well have had her own problems, but she has to be held account under the rule of law for her actions. And we’re talking about multiple victims with similar testimonies, which reduces the likelihood of this being a miscarriage of justice.
I don’t see how anyone can defend her. And as an aside, nobody on here was revelling in the verdict and wishing her death. The whole premise of this thread is a whopping straw man. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:51]
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Agreed, I didn’t see any undue revelling at her fate.
It’s a hideously appalling episode all round with no winners whatsoever.
Not quite sure what the OP believes he has seen really, but tellingly quiet since a token attempt to justify it sometime after.
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| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 22:55 - Dec 30 with 1111 views | Cotty |
| Maxwell - and the people roll up for a good hanging on 21:10 - Dec 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah right, so it’s been politicised and polarised along the normal lines then. I’ve kept well clear of the news and social media this holiday, so that explains what’s going on with this thread. Anything that happens these days gets weaponised, it’s fkn ridiculous and not doing any of us any good. |
It is an extremely odd choice for furthering the “culture” war. It’s feeling more and more like a game of defend the indefensible. | | | |
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