| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window 09:38 - Feb 1 with 2048 views | N2_Blue |
I think we had a good window, the only disappointment for me was Harper going out...but it is a loan and maybe playing hopefully every week will do him good and he can kick on next year with us.
We secured Walton, Bonne for rest of season, brought in Bakinson and Thompson. Bakinson was very solid v Wimbledon, struggled against Sheff Weds *but who didn't* and every one writes him off. Come on we are better than that. Coulsdon was a loan and people seem upset he has gone despite doing virtually nothing here. Yes he had injuries but didn't show anything that would make me miss him when he did play. I don't see how Thompson can be deemed a downgrade there.
Fans that are saying they are unhappy that we didn't bring in someone else are at the same time unhappy that some players are not getting game time. This view is contradictory. The squad was way to big, we can't bring in more players and give them all minutes.
Had we brought another mid such as Matete, (who is young and far from finished article), we would have had El Miz, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Bakinson and Harper - 6 players vying for two places. It was never going to happen as Phil indicated.
We need to trust McKenna a bit more. He's been here 2 months and not done a lot wrong.
If players earn game through good attitude an training well they'll get a chance (see Jackson) and he will try different combinations (El Miz v Weds). Not all of them will work but that is the trouble of coming through mid-season after the previous manager has failed and left us an imbalanced squad. Yet despite all this he has led us to 4 wins from 6 which is very encouraging.
Some people are now criticizing the performances too (Bolton and Weds were not great) but away games are never easy in this division and McKenna is still learning about these players.
As much as we want a playoff push (and I'm still trying to be optimistic) it is very unlikely. Had we been much closer we may have risked spending something and bringing in an extra body or too. But personally i think it was much needed to reduce a bloated squad and focus on the players we have - I'm sure it has freed up some wage budget so that McKenna can now really assess this squad and strengthen where he thinks necessary in the summer.
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:45 - Feb 1 with 1974 views | clive_baker |
Good post.
I think a lot of the Sky Sports generation fans just want us to participate in a bit of deadline day drama more than anything. We've got 2 big games coming up that we really should be winning, after which Morsy and Evans are likely both back in for the final 15. Penney is nearing fitness to challenge Thompson. Burns and KVY fit. All 4 CB's fit. 2 senior keepers. Aluko / Chaplin / Celina as options in the #10 and Norwood, Pigott, Bonne forwards. What goes on around that isn't overly relelvant when the likes of Kenlock, Nolan and Holy move on. We've not lost anyone who has added any value all season, and as you say we've added Walton permanently and secured Bonne for the season. Had they been announced yesterday I think most fans would be saying it was a good window.
We've got as much chance of making the playoffs today as we did yesterday, it's slim and an outside bet, but possible if we get on a run. We need to play a lot better than we did on Saturday though. Given it's unlikely I think it's the right thing to do to keep our powder dry until the summer. Had we been in Sunderlands position then it's a little different. We've trimmed some dead wood and cut the wage bill to presumably bring us in line with the regulations. Now lets just keep our heads down, work hard, take each game as it comes and see where it takes us. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:49 - Feb 1 with 1951 views | tractorboy1978 |
Good post.
Keeping Bonne also shouldn't be underrated - it's gone under the radar a bit. It's pretty clear we had to work hard to do so and it's cost us a few extra quid. |  | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:53 - Feb 1 with 1928 views | galacticoblue |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:45 - Feb 1 by clive_baker |
Good post.
I think a lot of the Sky Sports generation fans just want us to participate in a bit of deadline day drama more than anything. We've got 2 big games coming up that we really should be winning, after which Morsy and Evans are likely both back in for the final 15. Penney is nearing fitness to challenge Thompson. Burns and KVY fit. All 4 CB's fit. 2 senior keepers. Aluko / Chaplin / Celina as options in the #10 and Norwood, Pigott, Bonne forwards. What goes on around that isn't overly relelvant when the likes of Kenlock, Nolan and Holy move on. We've not lost anyone who has added any value all season, and as you say we've added Walton permanently and secured Bonne for the season. Had they been announced yesterday I think most fans would be saying it was a good window.
We've got as much chance of making the playoffs today as we did yesterday, it's slim and an outside bet, but possible if we get on a run. We need to play a lot better than we did on Saturday though. Given it's unlikely I think it's the right thing to do to keep our powder dry until the summer. Had we been in Sunderlands position then it's a little different. We've trimmed some dead wood and cut the wage bill to presumably bring us in line with the regulations. Now lets just keep our heads down, work hard, take each game as it comes and see where it takes us. |
If Walton and bonne situations were announced on deadline day, people would have been happy. | | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:55 - Feb 1 with 1910 views | ArnieM |
I see this window as clearing out the deadwood, and younger players being moved out on loan for experience, but this will give us an advantage in the summer, when McKenna gives Ashton his wish list for next season. It’ll mean we can act quicker over the summer getting in targets without having to worry about clearing out players first., coz it’s already been done in this window. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:10 - Feb 1 with 1845 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
People just like the excitement of signings.
They lose sight of the fact we signed 19 new players in the summer. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:13 - Feb 1 with 1797 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
Fans have become greedy since the takeover. |  | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:18 - Feb 1 with 1773 views | markchips |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:10 - Feb 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
People just like the excitement of signings.
They lose sight of the fact we signed 19 new players in the summer. |
Good point. There is a good opportunity for the remaining 16 new players to gel now plus an opportunity for the two new loan players to make a case for staying long term.
It was really important to clear the negativity out in the form of players who had no future with the club . Harper was the exception , he needs to play games . | | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:19 - Feb 1 with 1770 views | Guthrum |
People can't complain about lack of signings then turn around and laugh at Derby for getting themselves in a muddle over profligate spending.
It's not as if there were yawning gaps in the squad which remain unfilled. It's more the fact that fans wanted particular positions improved - often because they've taken a dislike to a particular player. But there's going to be a limit to how much "improvement" we can achieve at this level, within the financial and squad size limits imposed.
Or they want us to own the whole of our squad outright. I don't believe anybody at our level or the one above operates like that, even the lower Prem, for that matter. I know it's hearking back to a more glorius ITFC era (and, in many ways, a better one for football as a whole), but that ain't how the world works any more.
As for the idea we "need to strengthen" in order to mount a challenge for the play-offs this season or promotion next, that is nothing but an idee fixe instilled by football media who want transfer windows to be something exciting. We're P6 W4 D0 L1 F9 A4 in the six weeks since McKenna took over. You can't ask much more than that. Not if you're being realistic, anyway.
We've secured the services of a couple of players who were important parts of the team, got a couple of decent prospects in areas where we were a bit weak (or short through circumstance) and sold, released or sent out on loan some who either were or looked to have become peripheral to the matchday squad. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:33 - Feb 1 with 1709 views | N2_Blue |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:19 - Feb 1 by Guthrum |
People can't complain about lack of signings then turn around and laugh at Derby for getting themselves in a muddle over profligate spending.
It's not as if there were yawning gaps in the squad which remain unfilled. It's more the fact that fans wanted particular positions improved - often because they've taken a dislike to a particular player. But there's going to be a limit to how much "improvement" we can achieve at this level, within the financial and squad size limits imposed.
Or they want us to own the whole of our squad outright. I don't believe anybody at our level or the one above operates like that, even the lower Prem, for that matter. I know it's hearking back to a more glorius ITFC era (and, in many ways, a better one for football as a whole), but that ain't how the world works any more.
As for the idea we "need to strengthen" in order to mount a challenge for the play-offs this season or promotion next, that is nothing but an idee fixe instilled by football media who want transfer windows to be something exciting. We're P6 W4 D0 L1 F9 A4 in the six weeks since McKenna took over. You can't ask much more than that. Not if you're being realistic, anyway.
We've secured the services of a couple of players who were important parts of the team, got a couple of decent prospects in areas where we were a bit weak (or short through circumstance) and sold, released or sent out on loan some who either were or looked to have become peripheral to the matchday squad. |
Good to see some well balanced views on this thread to our transfer business and how we've tried to shape the squad.
Its true that people just like the excitement of signings I guess and the last minute transfer day excitement caused by the media. Because the final day saw outgoings for us rather than incoming it made some feel disappointed I expect.
However look at it this way - we could easily have started Feb without Walton and Bonne in our squad. Because they were already here it didn't give the same excitement. Ok the jury is out on Bakinson and Thompson but they could still both be really good signings - ridiculous to form a negative opinion of them after 1-2 games.
I expect those is this squad to really knuckle down, I believe everyone has a chance under McKenna and less bodies amongst the first team squad might help bring a bit of squad harmony which I always think is important. Successful sides always seem to have squads that get on well and enjoy each others company. [Post edited 1 Feb 2022 10:34]
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:35 - Feb 1 with 1684 views | BiGDonnie |
I wouldn't worry, most of them posts are from chrismakin who really doesn't count. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:40 - Feb 1 with 1665 views | chicoazul |
The like for like swap of Harper and Bakinson is very strange. I would like us to have kept Fraser as he is a very tidy player with a history of producing at this level and there is a good chance we will lose several of the options we currently have in one of his positions this summer. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:49 - Feb 1 with 1618 views | Steve_M |
In many ways it's the inverse of the over the top excitement at wholesale change that some exhibited last Summer. That should have demonstrated convincingly that signings alone do not make a team.
To have any chance of making the play-offs we need to win games consistently which is more likely to be achieved with minimal changes. The evidence so far suggests we'll pick up enough points at least to not fall further behind but we'll need some big wins to do more than that.
It's a fair argument on Harper or Bakinson but I think that's the only really debateable move; I liked Fraser but couldn't see how he fitted in. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 11:21 - Feb 1 with 1522 views | DJR |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:49 - Feb 1 by Steve_M |
In many ways it's the inverse of the over the top excitement at wholesale change that some exhibited last Summer. That should have demonstrated convincingly that signings alone do not make a team.
To have any chance of making the play-offs we need to win games consistently which is more likely to be achieved with minimal changes. The evidence so far suggests we'll pick up enough points at least to not fall further behind but we'll need some big wins to do more than that.
It's a fair argument on Harper or Bakinson but I think that's the only really debateable move; I liked Fraser but couldn't see how he fitted in. |
I agree that Fraser didn't seem to fit in but one thing he did offer was creativity. That it seems to me is the biggest failing, with the team rarely creating many chances, except for a handful of games. In this sense things haven't really changed from under Lambert, although we do probably have better players and hence score more, and certainly more spectacular, goals. Let's hope with a smaller squad, McKenna can work his magic and make us more creative, but if not the close season (rather than the January transfer window) offers the best chance of making the necessary changes. |  | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 11:29 - Feb 1 with 1478 views | Bobbychase |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:45 - Feb 1 by clive_baker |
Good post.
I think a lot of the Sky Sports generation fans just want us to participate in a bit of deadline day drama more than anything. We've got 2 big games coming up that we really should be winning, after which Morsy and Evans are likely both back in for the final 15. Penney is nearing fitness to challenge Thompson. Burns and KVY fit. All 4 CB's fit. 2 senior keepers. Aluko / Chaplin / Celina as options in the #10 and Norwood, Pigott, Bonne forwards. What goes on around that isn't overly relelvant when the likes of Kenlock, Nolan and Holy move on. We've not lost anyone who has added any value all season, and as you say we've added Walton permanently and secured Bonne for the season. Had they been announced yesterday I think most fans would be saying it was a good window.
We've got as much chance of making the playoffs today as we did yesterday, it's slim and an outside bet, but possible if we get on a run. We need to play a lot better than we did on Saturday though. Given it's unlikely I think it's the right thing to do to keep our powder dry until the summer. Had we been in Sunderlands position then it's a little different. We've trimmed some dead wood and cut the wage bill to presumably bring us in line with the regulations. Now lets just keep our heads down, work hard, take each game as it comes and see where it takes us. |
You zero in on the Sky Sports hype correctly. It's almost like transfer deadline day incomings are some sort of hit and football fans are addicted to it.
I'm seeing stuff on Twitter that is frankly insulting to the owners, who - for me - have been very generous with their spending since they took over and been true to their pledge to invest in the squad. Morsy and Celina in one day in the summer? We could only have dreamt of that under the previous ownership.
Maybe the flurry of incomings in the summer created a precedent for some of our fans, but we would be a basket case club if every window was like that.
Amazing how quickly we've gone from the tumbleweed days of the Evans era, when we were lucky with a single signing on deadline day, to complaining that bringing in two Premier League players (Walton and Thompson) and signing Bonne until the end of the season is a terrible window. |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 12:46 - Feb 1 with 1383 views | itfcjoe |
I don't think we had a 'good window' but it certainly isn't a bad one - it was just merely average and we ended up basically where we started - which was having a good squad at this level.
People want to 'win' the transfer market - when we have 11 players on day 1 of pre season training I posted a tweet saying how things clearly weren't going to plan - when we 'won the transfer window at the deadline despite being bottom of the league this tweet was brought out by loads of people to try and ridicule this opinion which was correct at the time and ended up being correct as we took so long to settle the season was over. I'm sure there are also plenty of people sitting with my tweet in drafts were I came out and massively criticised Cook when we said all the academy graduates liek Dozz, Downes, etc were free to go but guess they will have to be discarded.
Football is a simple game made difficult by too many - you need to build a team and build partnerships on the pitch, we are now in a position where we can do this over the next few months, and then target the recruitment to fill the gaps.
We should never have ripped everything up in the summer, and we should never do that again - transfer windows are about incremental progress - but our issue is we need to get out of this league yesterday so have to push things.
ANy fans celebrating winning windows, or when you see some of the comments on the social media posts after Nick Hayes signed, should just give up football |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 13:45 - Feb 1 with 1295 views | jayessess |
As an aside, bit confused as to why Bakinson's got so much of the grief for Saturday.
We had 65% possession and didn't produce a shot on goal, yet the main conclusion seems to be that the guys tasked with winning and recycling the ball are to blame, rather than the ones tasked with creating chances? |  |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 13:59 - Feb 1 with 1263 views | WilbrahamBlue |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:55 - Feb 1 by ArnieM |
I see this window as clearing out the deadwood, and younger players being moved out on loan for experience, but this will give us an advantage in the summer, when McKenna gives Ashton his wish list for next season. It’ll mean we can act quicker over the summer getting in targets without having to worry about clearing out players first., coz it’s already been done in this window. |
*Ashton gives McKenna | | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 14:16 - Feb 1 with 1236 views | Steve_M |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 13:45 - Feb 1 by jayessess |
As an aside, bit confused as to why Bakinson's got so much of the grief for Saturday.
We had 65% possession and didn't produce a shot on goal, yet the main conclusion seems to be that the guys tasked with winning and recycling the ball are to blame, rather than the ones tasked with creating chances? |
I suspect it's because his passing got quite sloppy late in the game, he gave them one chance with a dreadful ball which would have stood out. I thought he was alright over all though, and at Wimbledon, so that late spell looked more like tiredness to me.
But yes, I'm slightly bemused at the negative reaction to him too. | |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 15:06 - Feb 1 with 1177 views | Guthrum |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 14:16 - Feb 1 by Steve_M |
I suspect it's because his passing got quite sloppy late in the game, he gave them one chance with a dreadful ball which would have stood out. I thought he was alright over all though, and at Wimbledon, so that late spell looked more like tiredness to me.
But yes, I'm slightly bemused at the negative reaction to him too. |
Wasn't he nursing a sore leg towards the end, too, after getting caught? | |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 15:42 - Feb 1 with 1140 views | N2_Blue |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 11:21 - Feb 1 by DJR |
I agree that Fraser didn't seem to fit in but one thing he did offer was creativity. That it seems to me is the biggest failing, with the team rarely creating many chances, except for a handful of games. In this sense things haven't really changed from under Lambert, although we do probably have better players and hence score more, and certainly more spectacular, goals. Let's hope with a smaller squad, McKenna can work his magic and make us more creative, but if not the close season (rather than the January transfer window) offers the best chance of making the necessary changes. |
Since McKenna has come in i have only seen home games and the away game at Wimbledon. However the football we played in those was a million miles from anything Lambert delivered.
I just don't agree with the "In this sense things haven't really changed from under Lambert". I'm not just digging you out because i've seen this said elsewhere. I agree that creativity wise we probably should offer more with the players we have behind Bonne but we do create more and are easier on the eye than we have been for a long time. I think in time McKenna will get more from them.
It does seem that Sheff Wed was a bit of a step backwards in that we did too muchmoving the ball sideways from than trying to get on front foot and be incisive | |
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| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 16:33 - Feb 1 with 1082 views | DJR |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 15:42 - Feb 1 by N2_Blue |
Since McKenna has come in i have only seen home games and the away game at Wimbledon. However the football we played in those was a million miles from anything Lambert delivered.
I just don't agree with the "In this sense things haven't really changed from under Lambert". I'm not just digging you out because i've seen this said elsewhere. I agree that creativity wise we probably should offer more with the players we have behind Bonne but we do create more and are easier on the eye than we have been for a long time. I think in time McKenna will get more from them.
It does seem that Sheff Wed was a bit of a step backwards in that we did too muchmoving the ball sideways from than trying to get on front foot and be incisive |
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the football now to that under Lambert because it is much more exciting, although we do tend to only to play in fits and starts. I was focusing on chances created. We rarely play it through the middle, so are reliant on crossing but the crossing is generally poor, and we rarely get more than one person in the box. Our striker or strikers are also often left isolated. It is that that I feel is similar to how we played under Lambert. Indeed, this seems to be confirmed by the Expected Goals table where we are 19th. And if you compare our chances created stats to, say, MK Dons, they have created getting on for double the chances we have. The good thing is that McKenna has made us more solid generally, so hopefully he can improve things from an attacking point of view. Indeed, we played so well at Gillingham that I though he had turned things round, but both Bolton and Sheff Wed were able to nullify us, and even at Wimbledon the only real chances were the two goals. | | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 16:49 - Feb 1 with 1055 views | markchips |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 09:55 - Feb 1 by ArnieM |
I see this window as clearing out the deadwood, and younger players being moved out on loan for experience, but this will give us an advantage in the summer, when McKenna gives Ashton his wish list for next season. It’ll mean we can act quicker over the summer getting in targets without having to worry about clearing out players first., coz it’s already been done in this window. |
Good point , well made, quite possibly the plan from the beginning. | | | |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 17:38 - Feb 1 with 1015 views | DavoIPB |
| A bit disappointed with reaction from many of our fans to transfer window on 10:40 - Feb 1 by chicoazul |
The like for like swap of Harper and Bakinson is very strange. I would like us to have kept Fraser as he is a very tidy player with a history of producing at this level and there is a good chance we will lose several of the options we currently have in one of his positions this summer. |
Bakinsons passing is superb. The long passes he played on Saturday were outrageous. He will do well if he has a tough tackler along side him. | | | |
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