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"He's gone now Dollers, let it go." Just getting that in before others do. Rather misses the point though. A fantastic job was done on Corbyn. All we can hope is a few people learn from it and keep an open mind on the establishment's narrative in future.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:05 - Mar 12 with 2112 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 07:55 - Mar 12 by MattinLondon
As opposed to what you specialise in? Digging up posts or quotes from years ago and then rehashing them to form your argument.
That’s a no then. Just a heckler from the sidelines with nothing to add to a debate.
But you do understand that if somebody is going with the narrative that Jezza has been a vocal critic of Putin over many years , people are going to counter that with articles over many years that show it simply isn’t true, and that he has always been Putin’s useful idiot.
That’s kind of how presenting a counter view works.
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:05 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue
That’s a no then. Just a heckler from the sidelines with nothing to add to a debate.
But you do understand that if somebody is going with the narrative that Jezza has been a vocal critic of Putin over many years , people are going to counter that with articles over many years that show it simply isn’t true, and that he has always been Putin’s useful idiot.
That’s kind of how presenting a counter view works.
You really are quite patronising aren’t you
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:36 - Mar 12 with 2084 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:02 - Mar 12 by Swansea_Blue
I've never known someone who splits people so decisively. People seem to worship him or loathe him, and both groups make a lot of noise about it. I've no idea what that tells us though!
It tells us he’s hopelessly incompetent.
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:41 - Mar 12 with 2080 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 07:46 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue
I’ve said that he takes an anti uk/US/west position. Loyalty is irrelevant. It should never be ‘my country, good or bad’. People should be free to criticise the actions of their own country if the believe it has acted badly. Corbyn, however, will always use the ‘But NATO’ line when asked to condemn a foreign aggressor.
Now how about addressing the links in my post. You seem to be a poster that only ever deals with the hole and never the doughnut. Dip your toe in the water. Actually engage in what is poster rather than boo from the sidelines.
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What is it about the UK/US/West position that you think has served global harmony and peaceful coexistence so well. "But Nato" and "but authoritarian East" are both valid and not mutually exclusive. It is why we need a new par@digm!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:41 - Mar 12 by BanksterDebtSlave
What is it about the UK/US/West position that you think has served global harmony and peaceful coexistence so well. "But Nato" and "but authoritarian East" are both valid and not mutually exclusive. It is why we need a new par@digm!
Stop apologising for a bully and a thug. Nato should not have to tiptoe around a maniac who does not engage in good faith. It is not even close to being an equivalence.
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:58 - Mar 12 with 2057 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:48 - Mar 12 by ZXBlue
Stop apologising for a bully and a thug. Nato should not have to tiptoe around a maniac who does not engage in good faith. It is not even close to being an equivalence.
That is nonsense (where have I apologised for Putin)and spoken like a man with Stockholm syndrome who watched too many westerns growing up. Thanks for perfectly illustrating my point.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:41 - Mar 12 by BanksterDebtSlave
What is it about the UK/US/West position that you think has served global harmony and peaceful coexistence so well. "But Nato" and "but authoritarian East" are both valid and not mutually exclusive. It is why we need a new par@digm!
What part of 'It should never be ‘my country, good or bad’. People should be free to criticise the actions of their own country if the believe it has acted badly' did you not read?
It's the false equivalence being used all the time that is Corbyn's failing.
Somebody callS Russia the aggressor in this conflict and it's 'But NATO".
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:02 - Mar 12 by Swansea_Blue
I've never known someone who splits people so decisively. People seem to worship him or loathe him, and both groups make a lot of noise about it. I've no idea what that tells us though!
I suppose I’ll qualify as a “worshipper” although it’s more that I wholeheartedly support the Scandinavian-style social democracy Corbyn was proposing.
Finally, I thought in 2015, here’s an alternative that both understands the worsening social, economic and environmental issues affecting the UK and looks to address them. Including our relatively toxic foreign policy and recent record around the world.
7 years later after the most ridiculously one-sided and exaggerated character assassination and fearmongering, I’m still glad that he and his politics emerged. It highlighted (and still does) the enormous chasm between Corbyn’s values and the rather less apparent “values” of the acceptable, established political class and media.
Starmer, in his leadership campaign, said he would help deliver that alternative policy programme. And seemed a perfect establishment figure without having Corbyn’s “baggage” (his credentials as a life-long campaigner for his values but potato/potahto). So, turning into the worst kind of petty, tinkering right-wing Labour drone is a painful betrayal.
I really don’t know where UK politics and the country goes from here. But I hope the ghost of Corbyn continues to haunt it and reveal its shallowness and hypocrisy.
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 09:00 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue
What part of 'It should never be ‘my country, good or bad’. People should be free to criticise the actions of their own country if the believe it has acted badly' did you not read?
It's the false equivalence being used all the time that is Corbyn's failing.
Somebody callS Russia the aggressor in this conflict and it's 'But NATO".
The problem with that is that the 'equivalence' is presumed and not actual.
Edit...see ZX Blue above for case in point.
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 08:02 - Mar 12 by Swansea_Blue
I've never known someone who splits people so decisively. People seem to worship him or loathe him, and both groups make a lot of noise about it. I've no idea what that tells us though!
He didn’t split the British Jewish community. Over 85% feared him becoming Prime Minister. I’ve a very good idea what tha5 tells us.
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 10:21 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue
He didn’t split the British Jewish community. Over 85% feared him becoming Prime Minister. I’ve a very good idea what tha5 tells us.
That by jointly calling him an “existential threat to British Jews” the three Jewish newspapers were guilty of fear-mongering around the Holocaust? And that polling the readers of these newspapers after this and other wild statements would see 85% of them fearing Corbyn?
That in the UK, certainly compared to the US, there is a much less open debate about Israel and being pro-Palestinian is much more seen as a threat?
That even Ed Miliband faced fierce criticism from the predominantly Tory-voting Jewish community for his politics and that was only going to get worse when someone more to the left like Corbyn became leader?
I’m sure this all falls within your “clever politics” but it’s been frankly disgusting to watch this being cranked up. Emphasis on the crank.
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:09 - Mar 12 with 1907 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:09 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont
I think you’ve received the most eloquent response possible from him.
Literally nothing there.
Compare and contrast with things he actually knows about and rightfully cares about like his job and the wider NHS.
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why are we still talking about corbyn?
he's just another unelectable old man with some good ideas, but no chance of getting them enacted. i'd rather listen to billy bragg, who's much less pompous and can write a tune.
can we argue about someone a bit more relevant for once?
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:17 - Mar 12 by positivity
why are we still talking about corbyn?
he's just another unelectable old man with some good ideas, but no chance of getting them enacted. i'd rather listen to billy bragg, who's much less pompous and can write a tune.
can we argue about someone a bit more relevant for once?
Because if you excuse this nonsense, well you pretty much get our current standard of politics and prospects for the future.
Who is relevant nowadays that we should be arguing about? The Tories are regressive enemies of the citizens of this and other countries. Johnson is unfit for purpose. Always was, always will be. A right-wing and reactionary Labour led by the biggest opportunist on the red team? Ditto.
Make it about policies and vision for the UK if you want. That at least is always relevant and stops us getting dragged into silly political personality stuff which should be the sideshow not the main event.
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:56 - Mar 12 with 1831 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:33 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont
Because if you excuse this nonsense, well you pretty much get our current standard of politics and prospects for the future.
Who is relevant nowadays that we should be arguing about? The Tories are regressive enemies of the citizens of this and other countries. Johnson is unfit for purpose. Always was, always will be. A right-wing and reactionary Labour led by the biggest opportunist on the red team? Ditto.
Make it about policies and vision for the UK if you want. That at least is always relevant and stops us getting dragged into silly political personality stuff which should be the sideshow not the main event.
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so many leftwingers lured to the far right by conspiracy theories. by GlasgowBlue23 Sep 2021 14:03 FFS koonters. Instead of posting on here, surely there is the equivalent of AA set up out there to deal with this obsessive, sycophantic addiction to fawning over a grotty old man you don't know and will never meet.
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:56 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue
so many leftwingers lured to the far right by conspiracy theories. by GlasgowBlue23 Sep 2021 14:03 FFS koonters. Instead of posting on here, surely there is the equivalent of AA set up out there to deal with this obsessive, sycophantic addiction to fawning over a grotty old man you don't know and will never meet.
Oh pipe down, you awful awful smeary hypocrite. 😀
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 12:10 - Mar 12 with 1802 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 11:33 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont
Because if you excuse this nonsense, well you pretty much get our current standard of politics and prospects for the future.
Who is relevant nowadays that we should be arguing about? The Tories are regressive enemies of the citizens of this and other countries. Johnson is unfit for purpose. Always was, always will be. A right-wing and reactionary Labour led by the biggest opportunist on the red team? Ditto.
Make it about policies and vision for the UK if you want. That at least is always relevant and stops us getting dragged into silly political personality stuff which should be the sideshow not the main event.
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we know you hate the tories, we know you hate labour. be positive for once and big up someone relevant then
where's the up-and-coming hero of the 'left' who's going to make a difference? alex sobel's very good, but being an excellent constituency mp doesn't always make for good leadership material.
you need policies and vision AND someone who can sell it to the public. who's it going to be?
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 12:22 - Mar 12 by positivity
we know you hate the tories, we know you hate labour. be positive for once and big up someone relevant then
where's the up-and-coming hero of the 'left' who's going to make a difference? alex sobel's very good, but being an excellent constituency mp doesn't always make for good leadership material.
you need policies and vision AND someone who can sell it to the public. who's it going to be?
Clive Lewis feels good. I like how he understands the electoral issues at the heart of the problem and that a progressive alliance (committed to a major green industrial shift and PR) is central to providing a political alternative. He’s also sensible and knowledgeable on structural imbalances in society and foreign policy.
But that’s largely going against the Labour Party’s direction of travel which is why he’s a marginal voice and risks being binned off with the rest of the “loony left”.
So being positive about people and ideas quickly comes to a halt when you realise that the two-party dominance will continue along the same narrow terms.
Oh, and within that latter gloomy context, the prospect of Scottish independence (or perhaps even better, potential leverage that can force a change of approach in Westminster to the UK’s structural and democratic problems) does make me very happy.
There is some hope left.
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Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 12:52 - Mar 12 with 1711 views
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 12:32 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont
Clive Lewis feels good. I like how he understands the electoral issues at the heart of the problem and that a progressive alliance (committed to a major green industrial shift and PR) is central to providing a political alternative. He’s also sensible and knowledgeable on structural imbalances in society and foreign policy.
But that’s largely going against the Labour Party’s direction of travel which is why he’s a marginal voice and risks being binned off with the rest of the “loony left”.
So being positive about people and ideas quickly comes to a halt when you realise that the two-party dominance will continue along the same narrow terms.
Oh, and within that latter gloomy context, the prospect of Scottish independence (or perhaps even better, potential leverage that can force a change of approach in Westminster to the UK’s structural and democratic problems) does make me very happy.
There is some hope left.
i like lewis, but he's disliked by the "loony left" for his criticisms of he-who-won't-be-named as much as the centre, so don't feel like he's got the discipline to make it in labour.
he'd probably do very well in the conservatives!
i do agree that a progressive alliance is the way forward and maybe you need someone like him, who's not particularly attached to a faction to push for it.
scottish independence is great for scotland, but does risk leaving england as a one party state
Many of you fell for the 'Corbyn being a Putin fan' lie on 12:53 - Mar 12 by positivity
i like lewis, but he's disliked by the "loony left" for his criticisms of he-who-won't-be-named as much as the centre, so don't feel like he's got the discipline to make it in labour.
he'd probably do very well in the conservatives!
i do agree that a progressive alliance is the way forward and maybe you need someone like him, who's not particularly attached to a faction to push for it.
scottish independence is great for scotland, but does risk leaving england as a one party state
I think you’re over-egging Lewis’s criticisms of Corbin or how he’s disliked on the left. He’s been wise to stay out of the factional stuff considering how that has gone for the left and how morally and politically compromised he would be joining with the right even if it advanced him personally.
But a faction-less, broad church and bigger picture anti-Tory alliance is definitely what is needed to a) re-energise politics and the younger generation and minorities and b) actually stand a chance of winning on real policy merit.
Re: Scotland, I think England’s struggles with identity, for themselves and within the world, are entirely unsolvable by anyone else than the English. The vast majority of whom are equally powerless and victims themselves. At some stage, if nothing changes, Scotland will have to move on for its own sake and the sake of its citizens.
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