| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:58 - Mar 23 with 752 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:48 - Mar 23 by leitrimblue |
Was Bobby Sands |
You want my opinion on every member of the provisional IRA?
Here was a terrorist convicted of being involved in a bombing and shoot out. It was very sad the way he died. |  |
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| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:00 - Mar 23 with 781 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:47 - Mar 23 by leitrimblue |
Feck me! Let me try an explain the basics to you Micky. If Russia 'plants' a million Russuans in the East of Ukraine are you suggesting that their views should count equally to those of the Ukrainians?
This is your best line 'plenty of room down south for those who didn't want to be in the North'. I would suggest there is plenty of room on the 'mainland' for people who don't want to live in Ireland and whose loyalties lay elsewhere.
Your last paragraph is good as well. I would suggest comparing those that have had to defend their land from an aggressive occupier to another nation attempting to defend their land from an aggressive occupier is the most natural comparison to make |
Micky? I’m less tolerant of terrorist supporting lowlife than Glassers so I won’t be entering any dialogue with you... |  | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:06 - Mar 23 with 753 views | leitrimblue |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:57 - Mar 23 by Skip_Intro |
so you're suggesting that the people of Northern Ireland aren't Irish and that their views are less valid becasue of this? |
I'm suggesting that the deliberate plantation of Ulster by the British state is no more legitimate then the Russians planting a million Russians in the East of Ukraine and declaring that the people of Ukraine are welcoming the Russians in. The plantation of Ulster and later Connaught etc does not come far short of an act of ethnic cleansing . The fact that their descendants wave union Jack's and support the Queen is no different or any less embarrassing as Chelsea supporters singing abramovichs name |  | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:07 - Mar 23 with 747 views | leitrimblue |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:00 - Mar 23 by mikeybloo88 |
Micky? I’m less tolerant of terrorist supporting lowlife than Glassers so I won’t be entering any dialogue with you... |
Probably for the best love | | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:09 - Mar 23 with 739 views | leitrimblue |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:58 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
You want my opinion on every member of the provisional IRA?
Here was a terrorist convicted of being involved in a bombing and shoot out. It was very sad the way he died. |
I was replying to someone else asking what you thoughts would be on Bobby Sands | | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:12 - Mar 23 with 730 views | Skip_Intro |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:06 - Mar 23 by leitrimblue |
I'm suggesting that the deliberate plantation of Ulster by the British state is no more legitimate then the Russians planting a million Russians in the East of Ukraine and declaring that the people of Ukraine are welcoming the Russians in. The plantation of Ulster and later Connaught etc does not come far short of an act of ethnic cleansing . The fact that their descendants wave union Jack's and support the Queen is no different or any less embarrassing as Chelsea supporters singing abramovichs name |
So how many generations of a family need to be born and raised in Ireland to be considered Irish?
I'm guessing that 400 years isn't enough in your book.
Or do you have to be Catholic to be considered Irish? |  | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:19 - Mar 23 with 721 views | leitrimblue |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:12 - Mar 23 by Skip_Intro |
So how many generations of a family need to be born and raised in Ireland to be considered Irish?
I'm guessing that 400 years isn't enough in your book.
Or do you have to be Catholic to be considered Irish? |
No, but the first step would probably be to consider yerself Irish rather then to have loyalty to another nation. If your family have been here for 400 years and you still consider yerself a Brit and your loyalty is to the UK then I would suggest its a struggle to call yerself Irish. I don't think it is that hard to understand | | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:23 - Mar 23 with 710 views | MattinLondon |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:33 - Mar 23 by mikeybloo88 |
NI is home to a million Protestants who have been there for hundreds of years....can’t recall them asking to be liberated by anyone or do their views not count. Plenty of room down South for those who didn’t want to be in the North...you’re an apologist for terrorists and comparing Ukranian resistance to the IRA is beyond laughable. |
Probably not as simple as that. Many Protestants probably want to be part of the Republic and many Catholics probably want to start part of the Union. And some probably couldn’t care less either way.
But the ‘they can move if they want’ argument is ridiculous- it’s their home afterall with ties and history to that particular place. |  | | |
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| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 13:53 - Mar 23 with 650 views | GlasgowBlue |
Any chance you can tell me what point you were trying to make? | |
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| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 14:33 - Mar 23 with 657 views | jeera |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 12:33 - Mar 23 by mikeybloo88 |
NI is home to a million Protestants who have been there for hundreds of years....can’t recall them asking to be liberated by anyone or do their views not count. Plenty of room down South for those who didn’t want to be in the North...you’re an apologist for terrorists and comparing Ukranian resistance to the IRA is beyond laughable. |
"Plenty of room down South for those who didn’t want to be in the North."
When someone is making statements like this, they have no right to comment.
Disgraceful thing to say. |  |
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| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 15:36 - Mar 23 with 620 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 10:28 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm pretty sure Zelensky hasn't sanctioned sending cells to Moscow or St Petersburg to plant bombs outside of McDonalds with the intention of blowing the arms, legs and heads off innocent children.
Some could make the argument that British soldiers on Irish soil were a legitimate target, and that is a whole different debate. But sending bombers to the UK mainland to kill and maim innocent civilians is my definition of a terrorists.
Boris Johnson was quite rightly condemned for comparing those fighting in Ukraine with people who voted Brexit. You comparing the Ukrainians fighting Russian soldiers invading their homeland with cowardly murderers who blew up innocent little kids walking into McDonalds, or mums, dads and grandparents enjoying a pint in a Birmingham pub is even more deplorable. |
You are quite entitled to have the view regarding conflict in the north and the IRA's part in what was regarded by the nationalist population as a war on them, definitely not a ‘special military operation’. I would have no truck with atrocities committed on the civilian population of any country.
In the early years of the conflict in the north ( euphemistically called 'The Troubles' ) the nationalist population were unprotected against armed Loyalist paramilitaries and the armed B Specials police force who were also supporting the Loyalist community ( common membership ). In order to protect a defenceless Nationalist community against an attempt of genocide ( see Shankhill Butchers ) they turned to the South for guns. Unlike in Ukraine the Irish government would not sanction this because of the likelyhood of a war with Britain. So all the were left with was the IRA, who had funds, guns and an organised structure. They carried out gorilla warfare and atrocities against civilians. Likewise the Loyalists did the same ( they had a head start ] and had their own atrocities ( Dublin & Monaghan bombings and The Miami Showband massacre ) sometimes assisted by police members. Also you quite rightly called the IRA regarding the Birmingham ( and others ) bombings but neglected to mention Loyalist paramilitary atrocities. Furthermore the British army failed for nearly 40 years to accept their culpability for Bloody Sunday in which innocent peace marchers were gunned down in the back.
So there are more perspectives than your own here and it not so clear that you have the high moral ground.
There are plenty of states that have been actually founded by terrorism. The Republic of Ireland would be a good example of that but Israel, South Africa and many more have gone down that road.
Much like the Russian press, the British press tarnish these 'Freedom Fighters' as "Terrorists' You might look deeper into the Irish conflict ( I know boring Paddy extremists killing each other ) and see that there are nuances to this very long conflict.
I would suggest that the 'Ulster Plantation' would be an early version of ethnic cleansing done by your state. |  | | |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 15:51 - Mar 23 with 602 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 11:17 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
If a park shoots an unarmed innocent civilian then clearly there is a murder charge to answer.
At the trial mitigating circumstances can be provided. We’re shots fired at the soldiers first? If they are poorly trained to react in such circumstances then there is a case for the government if the day to also answer.
So no, I don’t support the killing of innocent civilians by British soldiers. And I would put them Through due process.
But defending the actions of the IRA by saying what about the paras is whatabouterry. The IRA were a murderous terrorist organisation. As were the UVF and other loyalist paramilitary groups.
Back to the op. There is no excuse for racial abuse aimed at McLean. It’s wrong. Full stop. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 11:18]
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| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 16:02 - Mar 23 with 560 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Didn't mean it, your honour, It was only bantz. on 15:36 - Mar 23 by Eireannach_gorm |
You are quite entitled to have the view regarding conflict in the north and the IRA's part in what was regarded by the nationalist population as a war on them, definitely not a ‘special military operation’. I would have no truck with atrocities committed on the civilian population of any country.
In the early years of the conflict in the north ( euphemistically called 'The Troubles' ) the nationalist population were unprotected against armed Loyalist paramilitaries and the armed B Specials police force who were also supporting the Loyalist community ( common membership ). In order to protect a defenceless Nationalist community against an attempt of genocide ( see Shankhill Butchers ) they turned to the South for guns. Unlike in Ukraine the Irish government would not sanction this because of the likelyhood of a war with Britain. So all the were left with was the IRA, who had funds, guns and an organised structure. They carried out gorilla warfare and atrocities against civilians. Likewise the Loyalists did the same ( they had a head start ] and had their own atrocities ( Dublin & Monaghan bombings and The Miami Showband massacre ) sometimes assisted by police members. Also you quite rightly called the IRA regarding the Birmingham ( and others ) bombings but neglected to mention Loyalist paramilitary atrocities. Furthermore the British army failed for nearly 40 years to accept their culpability for Bloody Sunday in which innocent peace marchers were gunned down in the back.
So there are more perspectives than your own here and it not so clear that you have the high moral ground.
There are plenty of states that have been actually founded by terrorism. The Republic of Ireland would be a good example of that but Israel, South Africa and many more have gone down that road.
Much like the Russian press, the British press tarnish these 'Freedom Fighters' as "Terrorists' You might look deeper into the Irish conflict ( I know boring Paddy extremists killing each other ) and see that there are nuances to this very long conflict.
I would suggest that the 'Ulster Plantation' would be an early version of ethnic cleansing done by your state. |
I'm just off to get a hair cut but a quick speed read through your post and this sticks out:
'Also you quite rightly called the IRA regarding the Birmingham ( and others ) bombings but neglected to mention Loyalist paramilitary atrocities'.
Except at 12.43 I said this 'the UVF and other loyalist paramilitary groups were terrorists. No more and no less'.
and in the post you are replying to 'The IRA were a murderous terrorist organisation. As were the UVF and other loyalist paramilitary groups'. | |
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