| Renegade Statman's Interview... 00:40 - Jul 3 with 5204 views | OriginalMarkyP |
...with Norwood.
Say what you like about him, but Norwood is refreshingly honest.
Should have kept him on for this season.
Very funny, when he says what KMcK said when he 'hugged' him when he came on for the final game. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 0:42]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:44 - Jul 3 with 1544 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:34 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
The other strange phenomenon amongst our fans is a group who say we should be aiming for better than Norwood and then in the next sentence state he will likely score a decent amount of goals wherever he goes. If he's good enough to do that, he's certainly good enough for us. |
He's not good enough to be the main here in a side that has aspirations of winning the league. It's pretty telling that it looks like he is going to sign for Bristol Rovers. I think he'd be alright here as a squad player if the money was right but I'm sure that is not what he wants and too much water has passed under the bridge here. |  | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:54 - Jul 3 with 1514 views | jayessess |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:37 - Jul 3 by DJR |
I disagree with this. Obviously a player at this level will have limitations, but I feel his overall effort made up for some of these limitations, and he was certainly fairly effective at this level. Ultimately our failings these last three seasons aren't down to Norwood, but it seems clear that he is probably not the type of footballing/athletic player that McK favours, although it did seem that McK liked him. Indeed, had we not had Pigott on the books maybe we would have kept him (subject to Ashton), as a streetwise figure to bring on when things weren't going to plan. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 10:40]
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I don't think our failings were down to Norwood (although if we'd picked up a good striker who wasn't daft enough to try and play through a hamstring tear in Summer 2019 maybe that season might have turned out different, who knows).
Streetwise is in the eye of the beholder really, all I can say is that statistics in no way back up the idea that Norwood was this all action player (how could he be, by his own admission he was half fit most of the time!). In his last season here, you look at touches, headers, tackles, fouls even, and he was worse than most of our other strikers. Whatever this "overall effort" involved, it didn't register as him getting more of the ball, winning it back more often or actually winning many of his battles with defenders. |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:56 - Jul 3 with 1520 views | itfcjoe |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
Are we? Because we haven't improved upon him yet have we, lets hope we get someone through the door by the end of the month. I know its easier to have offloaded him but i would have much rather had him in amongst the squad than Piggot. Norwood impacts games, even in a lean spell he causes lots of problems for defenders. |
Quite simply Joe Pigott has 2 years left on his deal and James Norwood had none, if it was the other way round then JN would have stayed and JP would have left and like JN signed for a bottom end L1 team. Neither are good enough, I’d have much preferred to keep JN and wouldn’t be surprised if KMK felt the same but the contact situation made it impossible |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 11:07 - Jul 3 with 1486 views | Garv |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:54 - Jul 3 by jayessess |
I don't think our failings were down to Norwood (although if we'd picked up a good striker who wasn't daft enough to try and play through a hamstring tear in Summer 2019 maybe that season might have turned out different, who knows).
Streetwise is in the eye of the beholder really, all I can say is that statistics in no way back up the idea that Norwood was this all action player (how could he be, by his own admission he was half fit most of the time!). In his last season here, you look at touches, headers, tackles, fouls even, and he was worse than most of our other strikers. Whatever this "overall effort" involved, it didn't register as him getting more of the ball, winning it back more often or actually winning many of his battles with defenders. |
Not sure how you can claim he was worse than most of our other strikers.
Based on minutes played he was the most productive goals wise and he ended up being McKenna's most trusted front man by the end. He offered a mix of Bonne's physicality and Jackson's running in behind.
He doesn't completely suit how we're going to play so ultimately I think it will have ended up being the right decision. McKenna will stick to his philosophy which is no bad thing but we'd be a better squad overall for having Norwood in it. |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 11:16 - Jul 3 with 1477 views | Chrisd |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:34 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
The other strange phenomenon amongst our fans is a group who say we should be aiming for better than Norwood and then in the next sentence state he will likely score a decent amount of goals wherever he goes. If he's good enough to do that, he's certainly good enough for us. |
Or hammer Norwood about his goalscoring record (because he’s now left us), knowing we’ve signed Jackson on a deal whose goalscoring record is inferior to his and be happy about it. | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 11:19 - Jul 3 with 1470 views | jayessess |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 11:07 - Jul 3 by Garv |
Not sure how you can claim he was worse than most of our other strikers.
Based on minutes played he was the most productive goals wise and he ended up being McKenna's most trusted front man by the end. He offered a mix of Bonne's physicality and Jackson's running in behind.
He doesn't completely suit how we're going to play so ultimately I think it will have ended up being the right decision. McKenna will stick to his philosophy which is no bad thing but we'd be a better squad overall for having Norwood in it. |
Think we're at cross-purposes here. I'm talking about the type of striker he is, not quality per se.
I don't think there's any question that (when fit) he was the most effective goal scorer the club had over each of his 3 seasons here. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 11:20]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 12:04 - Jul 3 with 1400 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:34 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
The other strange phenomenon amongst our fans is a group who say we should be aiming for better than Norwood and then in the next sentence state he will likely score a decent amount of goals wherever he goes. If he's good enough to do that, he's certainly good enough for us. |
This is the nub of it I think.
Imagine a scenario where he's on 15-20 goals and his goals have helped Bristol Rs to 8th as we approach the business end of the season. And we're 9th with Ladapo top scorer on 9.
The amount of fans who will be grumbling about letting him go will be telling. I won't be one btw. What's the point?
But the thing is. Goals he scores in the same league don't count any less because he's at a 'lesser' club. He's playing the same teams.
So when people say he'll go and score a load of goals there is your reason why we should have extended him for a year.
But we didn't. So we do with what we have and hopefully it propels us out of this league. | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 12:25 - Jul 3 with 1374 views | JDB23 |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 12:04 - Jul 3 by OriginalMarkyP |
This is the nub of it I think.
Imagine a scenario where he's on 15-20 goals and his goals have helped Bristol Rs to 8th as we approach the business end of the season. And we're 9th with Ladapo top scorer on 9.
The amount of fans who will be grumbling about letting him go will be telling. I won't be one btw. What's the point?
But the thing is. Goals he scores in the same league don't count any less because he's at a 'lesser' club. He's playing the same teams.
So when people say he'll go and score a load of goals there is your reason why we should have extended him for a year.
But we didn't. So we do with what we have and hopefully it propels us out of this league. |
Depends how he is getting those goals. If the whole team is setup for him to score 20 but they don’t get much contribution from elsewhere and finish in 16th place then that’s pretty meaningless to our situation. Pigott got 21 for Wimbledon, their next top scorers were 8 and 5, look how he turned out for us. | | | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 13:01 - Jul 3 with 1325 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 12:25 - Jul 3 by JDB23 |
Depends how he is getting those goals. If the whole team is setup for him to score 20 but they don’t get much contribution from elsewhere and finish in 16th place then that’s pretty meaningless to our situation. Pigott got 21 for Wimbledon, their next top scorers were 8 and 5, look how he turned out for us. |
Yes. But as Norwood states, most of his goals throughout his career have been scored doing exactly what KMcK wants his central striker to do, which is run in behind. That's not how Norwood was deployed in his time here and yet he still scored goals playing in a role that wasn't his natural one. | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 13:19 - Jul 3 with 1283 views | itfcjoe |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 11:07 - Jul 3 by Garv |
Not sure how you can claim he was worse than most of our other strikers.
Based on minutes played he was the most productive goals wise and he ended up being McKenna's most trusted front man by the end. He offered a mix of Bonne's physicality and Jackson's running in behind.
He doesn't completely suit how we're going to play so ultimately I think it will have ended up being the right decision. McKenna will stick to his philosophy which is no bad thing but we'd be a better squad overall for having Norwood in it. |
Jackson’s goal/assist record was better under McKenna than Norwood’s was | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 16:33 - Jul 3 with 1152 views | jayessess |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 12:04 - Jul 3 by OriginalMarkyP |
This is the nub of it I think.
Imagine a scenario where he's on 15-20 goals and his goals have helped Bristol Rs to 8th as we approach the business end of the season. And we're 9th with Ladapo top scorer on 9.
The amount of fans who will be grumbling about letting him go will be telling. I won't be one btw. What's the point?
But the thing is. Goals he scores in the same league don't count any less because he's at a 'lesser' club. He's playing the same teams.
So when people say he'll go and score a load of goals there is your reason why we should have extended him for a year.
But we didn't. So we do with what we have and hopefully it propels us out of this league. |
Ladapo's goalscoring record in this division is better than Norwood's, both in total and per appearance. | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 00:03 - Jul 4 with 955 views | Garv |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 13:19 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
Jackson’s goal/assist record was better under McKenna than Norwood’s was |
Over a very short period. | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:19 - Jul 4 with 858 views | itfcjoe |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 00:03 - Jul 4 by Garv |
Over a very short period. |
I thought we were just talking about under McKenna and that period as to whether he was most suited to it:
Norwood - 949 minutes, 4 goals, 1 assist - 1 G/A every 190 minutes
Jackson - 550 minutes, 3 goals, 3 assists - 1 G/A every 92 minutes
Plus Jackson is 3 years younger and looks as though he is a better fit for McKenna judging by how he used him | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:02 - Jul 4 with 810 views | Chrisd |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:19 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
I thought we were just talking about under McKenna and that period as to whether he was most suited to it:
Norwood - 949 minutes, 4 goals, 1 assist - 1 G/A every 190 minutes
Jackson - 550 minutes, 3 goals, 3 assists - 1 G/A every 92 minutes
Plus Jackson is 3 years younger and looks as though he is a better fit for McKenna judging by how he used him |
The overall, you have Norwood with 28 goals from 88 games compared to Jackson with 21 from 118 appearances for us. I know what you're saying about Jackson's game and KM's preferred style of play, but I also think there was a big overreaction to a couple of improved performances by him before his injury. I hope I'm wrong about Jackson and he shoves those words back down my throat come the end of this coming season. Fingers crossed. [Post edited 4 Jul 2022 9:09]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:10 - Jul 4 with 797 views | DJR |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:02 - Jul 4 by Chrisd |
The overall, you have Norwood with 28 goals from 88 games compared to Jackson with 21 from 118 appearances for us. I know what you're saying about Jackson's game and KM's preferred style of play, but I also think there was a big overreaction to a couple of improved performances by him before his injury. I hope I'm wrong about Jackson and he shoves those words back down my throat come the end of this coming season. Fingers crossed. [Post edited 4 Jul 2022 9:09]
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I think the thing with Jackson is that, even though he may not be such a prolific goal scorer as Norwood, he offers things that Norwood just doesn't. I don't think the intention is for him to be our main goal scorer, but the fact that his goal scoring record is fairly good is no bad thing. I might add that I think that Jackson is amongst the best of our players from a footballing/composure point of view, being one of our few players who looks up before crossing. [Post edited 4 Jul 2022 9:19]
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