| Simpson - bridges burned? 11:43 - Jul 4 with 5211 views | dirtyboy |
Anyone have any insight on this?
Is his time here well and truly done? McKenna doesn't strike me as the sort of person to cut his nose off to spite his face, but you'd think a lad with a £0.5m(ish) price tag is worthy of some consideration.
I've not seen him play, so not sure on his quality/ability, but interested if a few more knowledeable types have any idea whether it's a given he'll now leave?
I just find it hard to say good riddance to any youngster when they're ultimately only listening to agents. |  | | |  |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:01 - Jul 4 with 1020 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 13:37 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
From what I gather the payrise he was offered wouldn't even have put him in line with what the 1st team players at Swindon were earning |
Which is correct. Swindon are lower down. He's not yet a 1st team player at a league 1 side. Half of a good season on loan and turned into Mr big bolocks |  |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:05 - Jul 4 with 1004 views | PhilTWTD |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:01 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
Which is correct. Swindon are lower down. He's not yet a 1st team player at a league 1 side. Half of a good season on loan and turned into Mr big bolocks |
I don't think that's fair. From what I gather he's not asked for any more than he would get elsewhere. He won't have asked for anything like what the senior strikers are on. Think it's mainly down to the perception of where he is in his career.
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:10 - Jul 4 with 977 views | STYG |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:05 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think that's fair. From what I gather he's not asked for any more than he would get elsewhere. He won't have asked for anything like what the senior strikers are on. Think it's mainly down to the perception of where he is in his career.
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Whilst there is merit in that, some people suggesting we pay Simpson a lot more are also moaning about how hard it is to shift Piggott off the wage bill.
The club seems to rate Simpson at a particular level and wanted to pay him based on that. Simpson is entitled to feel he is worth more and better than that and other clubs, even Championship ones may also disagree with is.
Obviously what Swindon pay their players is irrelevant. Isn't Piggott rumoured to be on more than double what Woolfenden was on until Luke's new deal? Rightly, we paid Wolf what we thought he was worth and offered Simpson what we thought he was worth.
I think the position is fair all round. Simpson, other clubs and Town all value Simpson differently. Regardless, what I don't think is right is the way he deleted all his social media pictures and came across like a child, which probably didn't do him any favours at all.
I'm perfectly happy with the new regime's actions so far and if they felt Simpson was worth more I'm sure we'd have offered him something fair to keep him. So does make me think he's got a higher opinion of himself than he's proven.
Look at Dobra. What if we'd have paid him what we thought he might be worth at the start of last summer if he'd got a new deal. |  | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:14 - Jul 4 with 959 views | itfcjoe |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:05 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think that's fair. From what I gather he's not asked for any more than he would get elsewhere. He won't have asked for anything like what the senior strikers are on. Think it's mainly down to the perception of where he is in his career.
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It seems mad when you see the sort of money thrown round at likes of Walton, Morsy, Pigott, etc that we lose Simpson and Gibbs for probably a fair bit less than a combined £1,000 a week
Doesn't sit right with me to not reward players who are pushing on and being inflexible with certain players - especially those that could easily go back out on loan and have a big chunk of that covered and their value protected |  |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:16 - Jul 4 with 943 views | Veggie |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:00 - Jul 4 by itfc_bucks |
I wont look, but his agent is going to be that grubby little Barnett git, isn't it? |
No I think it’s the potentially even grubbier agent of Mesut Ozil
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:19 - Jul 4 with 933 views | PhilTWTD |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:10 - Jul 4 by STYG |
Whilst there is merit in that, some people suggesting we pay Simpson a lot more are also moaning about how hard it is to shift Piggott off the wage bill.
The club seems to rate Simpson at a particular level and wanted to pay him based on that. Simpson is entitled to feel he is worth more and better than that and other clubs, even Championship ones may also disagree with is.
Obviously what Swindon pay their players is irrelevant. Isn't Piggott rumoured to be on more than double what Woolfenden was on until Luke's new deal? Rightly, we paid Wolf what we thought he was worth and offered Simpson what we thought he was worth.
I think the position is fair all round. Simpson, other clubs and Town all value Simpson differently. Regardless, what I don't think is right is the way he deleted all his social media pictures and came across like a child, which probably didn't do him any favours at all.
I'm perfectly happy with the new regime's actions so far and if they felt Simpson was worth more I'm sure we'd have offered him something fair to keep him. So does make me think he's got a higher opinion of himself than he's proven.
Look at Dobra. What if we'd have paid him what we thought he might be worth at the start of last summer if he'd got a new deal. |
Perhaps, although the frustration with both is that they've never really got a decent shot at first-team football here and we've let them move on. They're both moves which could bite us on the backside if they get the chance to play regularly and attract interest from higher up, a bit like with Downes, Kieffer Moore and one or two others. Same with Liam Gibbs.
With hindsight, offering Simpson a new deal at the start of his Swindon loan or midway through when it was clear he was making an impression would probably have got him tied to us for a longer period, which would give us more scope to develop him or get a better fee if we didn't have space for him. | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:19 - Jul 4 with 924 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:05 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think that's fair. From what I gather he's not asked for any more than he would get elsewhere. He won't have asked for anything like what the senior strikers are on. Think it's mainly down to the perception of where he is in his career.
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Where he is? He's had half a season at league 2. That's where he is. Next step is pushing for 1st team spot at the club or completing a full season in league before pushing again in league 1.
Only 3 years ago he was playing rugby.
Has he not even looked into the strikers KM developed at utd to see he's best placed to trust with his development. | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:21 - Jul 4 with 922 views | STYG |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:14 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
It seems mad when you see the sort of money thrown round at likes of Walton, Morsy, Pigott, etc that we lose Simpson and Gibbs for probably a fair bit less than a combined £1,000 a week
Doesn't sit right with me to not reward players who are pushing on and being inflexible with certain players - especially those that could easily go back out on loan and have a big chunk of that covered and their value protected |
That to me in itself tells me there's more to it than that.
If Simpson asks (professionally) for what is genuinely a fair deal for a player we'd expect to sign from League Two, at 20 years old and after 11 goals, then I doubt the club would have too much trouble meeting it to protect a decent asset.
For me, it can only really be that they are asking far too much and using the higher division interest to try and hold the club to ransom. If we genuinely decide a player is worth £10k, £5k or £1k a week, then I'd be aggrieved to give them an extra 50% on top.
It might have only been £500 in Simpson's case but it sets a precedent then that every other player can start doing the same. We have to hold firm on our honest valuations and not let players take the p*ss. | | | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:22 - Jul 4 with 922 views | PhilTWTD |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:14 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
It seems mad when you see the sort of money thrown round at likes of Walton, Morsy, Pigott, etc that we lose Simpson and Gibbs for probably a fair bit less than a combined £1,000 a week
Doesn't sit right with me to not reward players who are pushing on and being inflexible with certain players - especially those that could easily go back out on loan and have a big chunk of that covered and their value protected |
Indeed, arguing over a few hundred quid in the overall scheme of things at present is surprising. Players will have an idea of what other members of the squad are on and not being worth another few hundred a week will be viewed as illustrative of their worth to the club. | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:24 - Jul 4 with 907 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:22 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, arguing over a few hundred quid in the overall scheme of things at present is surprising. Players will have an idea of what other members of the squad are on and not being worth another few hundred a week will be viewed as illustrative of their worth to the club. |
More fool them them tbh
Gibbs moved on. Played 0 games for norwich first team and is now a bench champ player which is hardly going to do his career any good. | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:27 - Jul 4 with 896 views | PhilTWTD |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:24 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
More fool them them tbh
Gibbs moved on. Played 0 games for norwich first team and is now a bench champ player which is hardly going to do his career any good. |
I reckon being on the fringes of a top-half Championship side (obviously I hope that's not the case but that is where they're likely to be) is a pretty good position to be in at 19. | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:30 - Jul 4 with 859 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:27 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
I reckon being on the fringes of a top-half Championship side (obviously I hope that's not the case but that is where they're likely to be) is a pretty good position to be in at 19. |
Not imo when you've left to erm... better your career.
Nodge will have less chance to take risks next season and they are struggling to get rid of a large squad. Can't see gibbs getting any game time next season.
So what's he gained since leaving if that's the case.. couple of bench appearances? In 2 seasons. If money is important to him. Bravo of course. But if it was pathways.. Well... | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:34 - Jul 4 with 849 views | PhilTWTD |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:30 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
Not imo when you've left to erm... better your career.
Nodge will have less chance to take risks next season and they are struggling to get rid of a large squad. Can't see gibbs getting any game time next season.
So what's he gained since leaving if that's the case.. couple of bench appearances? In 2 seasons. If money is important to him. Bravo of course. But if it was pathways.. Well... |
He's been in and around a Premier League squad for a season, has played in the U23s playing cat one opposition week in, week out. I doubt he'd have had much first-team involvement here last season, not many players in his position did, and if I was him I'd expect to be involved on a fairly regular basis in the season ahead. | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:38 - Jul 4 with 822 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:34 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
He's been in and around a Premier League squad for a season, has played in the U23s playing cat one opposition week in, week out. I doubt he'd have had much first-team involvement here last season, not many players in his position did, and if I was him I'd expect to be involved on a fairly regular basis in the season ahead. |
We'll see. Can't see him getting any game time personally. And let's be honest it was a prem side in name Phil not quality ;) | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:39 - Jul 4 with 820 views | itfcjoe |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:21 - Jul 4 by STYG |
That to me in itself tells me there's more to it than that.
If Simpson asks (professionally) for what is genuinely a fair deal for a player we'd expect to sign from League Two, at 20 years old and after 11 goals, then I doubt the club would have too much trouble meeting it to protect a decent asset.
For me, it can only really be that they are asking far too much and using the higher division interest to try and hold the club to ransom. If we genuinely decide a player is worth £10k, £5k or £1k a week, then I'd be aggrieved to give them an extra 50% on top.
It might have only been £500 in Simpson's case but it sets a precedent then that every other player can start doing the same. We have to hold firm on our honest valuations and not let players take the p*ss. |
Players are the talent, losing them over a couple of hundred pound a week which is what is happening when you have players earning a couple of grand a day is careless and bad contract management.
Gibbs was basically done under the previous regime, and Simpson needed to be sorted in a summer when 19 transfers coming in so maybe both fell to back of queue - but we have to as a club learn from them.
Selling young players up the food chain when you could have had them stay is not a good idea | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:40 - Jul 4 with 804 views | PhilTWTD |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:38 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
We'll see. Can't see him getting any game time personally. And let's be honest it was a prem side in name Phil not quality ;) |
Obviously! Tough ask for a 19-year-old central midfielder to be thrown into that situation. The season ahead offers a much better opportunity for him. | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:43 - Jul 4 with 775 views | J2BLUE |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:39 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
Players are the talent, losing them over a couple of hundred pound a week which is what is happening when you have players earning a couple of grand a day is careless and bad contract management.
Gibbs was basically done under the previous regime, and Simpson needed to be sorted in a summer when 19 transfers coming in so maybe both fell to back of queue - but we have to as a club learn from them.
Selling young players up the food chain when you could have had them stay is not a good idea |
Have to agree. Seems an odd one to me. |  |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:46 - Jul 4 with 758 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:43 - Jul 4 by J2BLUE |
Have to agree. Seems an odd one to me. |
It's not odd though is it.
You pay a going rate for certain players. Those Joe mentioned are top quality players in their positions with years of higher level experience or in Piggots case. Following a season of 20 plus goals at this level and a player wanted by a lot of clubs.
He's comparing that to youngsters where we have a certain wage bracket we feel is correct to adhere to and so far we've yet to be stung by it.
If you start giving in to youngsters, what happens to the next line of youngsters... they and their agents get wind we gave in to others and it throws your cap out of the window. | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:47 - Jul 4 with 749 views | J2BLUE |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:46 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not odd though is it.
You pay a going rate for certain players. Those Joe mentioned are top quality players in their positions with years of higher level experience or in Piggots case. Following a season of 20 plus goals at this level and a player wanted by a lot of clubs.
He's comparing that to youngsters where we have a certain wage bracket we feel is correct to adhere to and so far we've yet to be stung by it.
If you start giving in to youngsters, what happens to the next line of youngsters... they and their agents get wind we gave in to others and it throws your cap out of the window. |
Giving in? A few hundred quid a week extra to someone who has gone out on loan and done well? Who is not being targeted for half a million from clubs higher up the pyramid?
Take any ill feeling out of it and look at it logically. It is definitely odd. | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:50 - Jul 4 with 741 views | dirtyboy |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:34 - Jul 4 by PhilTWTD |
He's been in and around a Premier League squad for a season, has played in the U23s playing cat one opposition week in, week out. I doubt he'd have had much first-team involvement here last season, not many players in his position did, and if I was him I'd expect to be involved on a fairly regular basis in the season ahead. |
I agree with you, whilst I cannot stand those diteh yellas, taking emotion out of it, Gibbs totally made the correct decision on all fronts.
If he'd been given a spot in the squad and told he'd get game time in first division in first team, he may have stayed seeing that as a better playing pathway, but in the absence of that, premier league facilities and cat 1 training (plus no doubt a payrise) was a no brainer.
I don't think Simpson is viewed at the same level, so the club won't make the same efforts, especially with what's certainly deemed externally as prety petulant behaviour.
Ultimately, I believe if McKenna wanted him here next season, he'd be here (clean slate). | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 15:01 - Jul 4 with 699 views | hadleighboyblue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:47 - Jul 4 by J2BLUE |
Giving in? A few hundred quid a week extra to someone who has gone out on loan and done well? Who is not being targeted for half a million from clubs higher up the pyramid?
Take any ill feeling out of it and look at it logically. It is definitely odd. |
With the new regime at the club , I would hope and expect they have looked at keeping him , but is it possible they have been concerned at an attitude problem , probably not helped by a greedy agent .
I am happy to trust their judgement on this , if others rate the player they will back their judgement and pay for him . | | | |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 15:06 - Jul 4 with 681 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:47 - Jul 4 by J2BLUE |
Giving in? A few hundred quid a week extra to someone who has gone out on loan and done well? Who is not being targeted for half a million from clubs higher up the pyramid?
Take any ill feeling out of it and look at it logically. It is definitely odd. |
Tbh. The fact no one yet will meet 600k shows that clubs are still unsure about him. What is 600k esp for those in the higher league?
We will see where it goes. But it appears to be agent led this one which Ashton touched on. | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 15:22 - Jul 4 with 629 views | J2BLUE |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 15:06 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh. The fact no one yet will meet 600k shows that clubs are still unsure about him. What is 600k esp for those in the higher league?
We will see where it goes. But it appears to be agent led this one which Ashton touched on. |
We don't know that no one will pay it. It's early July. Clubs can p1ss about for 6 weeks and still have a couple of weeks to arrange a loan for him. | |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 15:28 - Jul 4 with 619 views | jayessess |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:46 - Jul 4 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not odd though is it.
You pay a going rate for certain players. Those Joe mentioned are top quality players in their positions with years of higher level experience or in Piggots case. Following a season of 20 plus goals at this level and a player wanted by a lot of clubs.
He's comparing that to youngsters where we have a certain wage bracket we feel is correct to adhere to and so far we've yet to be stung by it.
If you start giving in to youngsters, what happens to the next line of youngsters... they and their agents get wind we gave in to others and it throws your cap out of the window. |
Equally, you have to make sure your wage cap is competitive, don't you? Otherwise other clubs are just going to unsettle and clean out your most talented young players before you've even got anything out of them.
There also needs to be some recognition in that wage cap that some youngsters are big prospects with outside interest and others just players we hope will progress but for the moment no more than that.
If any of the kids we lose this way become Championship players (let alone Premier League) then we'll have been penny wise, pound foolish. |  |
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| Simpson - bridges burned? on 15:34 - Jul 4 with 602 views | clive_baker |
| Simpson - bridges burned? on 14:14 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
It seems mad when you see the sort of money thrown round at likes of Walton, Morsy, Pigott, etc that we lose Simpson and Gibbs for probably a fair bit less than a combined £1,000 a week
Doesn't sit right with me to not reward players who are pushing on and being inflexible with certain players - especially those that could easily go back out on loan and have a big chunk of that covered and their value protected |
It's ridiculous really. It's very rare that I have sympathy for footballers in terms of earnings, but he's on peanuts. And I mean peanuts. He's not asking for the world in the grand scheme of things by way of a raise, and it feels like this 'we won't be pushed around' hard stance from the club might have a little bit of ego to it as much as anything else. The bigger picture surely is that we have a potentially promising player that we could realise significantly more value from if he stays and develops here. If we treble his wages, what's an extra £500 a week in the context of our spend. I get that you can't give every youngster a punt on that, but he's not every youngster given he's had a few very good months in L2 at a young age and albeit very raw, does seem to have something unique about him in terms of his physicality and pace. |  |
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