| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London 17:07 - Jul 22 with 6496 views | giant_stow |
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/22/london-mayor-jeremy-corbyn-would-dis
I don't know whether this columnist has just made this up for the sake his opinions, or whether its been seriously mentioned elsewhere. Would be an intriguing platform for him to take the fight to Starmer though and probably make a lot of Londoners very happy (being honest). |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:23 - Jul 23 with 861 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:16 - Jul 23 by Churchman |
To broaden this a little, while I have not properly read the Forde report I have skimmed through it. The general impression I got was of a party of factions. You are in or you are out, you are this, you are that. Sort of understandable given the spectrum of views it encompasses, but how the party bound itself together wasn’t right. There was internal fighting as well as fighting the opposition. Some people felt threatened because of their gender, race etc. The report accepts that the WhatsApp messages might be out of context but given what was written I don’t think any context could justify some of them in my eyes.
If people like Margaret Hodge felt threatened in the way they did, then they were threatened. I don’t care if it’s 0.07% or 30%. It’s not good enough. Accepting any percentage is unacceptable. The accountability for this lay with the leadership. At the top of that sat Corbin. He is accountable, regardless of his personal beliefs.
I read a book the other week by the greatest fast bowler of all time - Michael Holding. It’s called Why We Kneel, How We Rise. It’s a fascinating, uncomfortable read on racism from his perspective. I did not agree with all he said or some of the conclusions, but it was a thought provoking eye opener for me. I strongly recommend it.
Back to the Future (good title for a film, that), there is two long years before the tories are thrown out. That’s two years for Starmer and the Labour Party leadership to get their house fully in order and to make the Party both better organised and truly inclusive. To do that it has to remove people who are bigoted in any way on the basis of evidence, such as WhatsApp. End of. Those with marginal previous need a warning of behave or you’re history. If they do that, there will be nothing to stop them winning a landslide. |
Nobody has suggested accepting a percentage. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:36 - Jul 23 with 804 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:16 - Jul 23 by Churchman |
To broaden this a little, while I have not properly read the Forde report I have skimmed through it. The general impression I got was of a party of factions. You are in or you are out, you are this, you are that. Sort of understandable given the spectrum of views it encompasses, but how the party bound itself together wasn’t right. There was internal fighting as well as fighting the opposition. Some people felt threatened because of their gender, race etc. The report accepts that the WhatsApp messages might be out of context but given what was written I don’t think any context could justify some of them in my eyes.
If people like Margaret Hodge felt threatened in the way they did, then they were threatened. I don’t care if it’s 0.07% or 30%. It’s not good enough. Accepting any percentage is unacceptable. The accountability for this lay with the leadership. At the top of that sat Corbin. He is accountable, regardless of his personal beliefs.
I read a book the other week by the greatest fast bowler of all time - Michael Holding. It’s called Why We Kneel, How We Rise. It’s a fascinating, uncomfortable read on racism from his perspective. I did not agree with all he said or some of the conclusions, but it was a thought provoking eye opener for me. I strongly recommend it.
Back to the Future (good title for a film, that), there is two long years before the tories are thrown out. That’s two years for Starmer and the Labour Party leadership to get their house fully in order and to make the Party both better organised and truly inclusive. To do that it has to remove people who are bigoted in any way on the basis of evidence, such as WhatsApp. End of. Those with marginal previous need a warning of behave or you’re history. If they do that, there will be nothing to stop them winning a landslide. |
Right at the heart of your post there's a basic misapprehension of the facts and what went on.
"I don’t care if it’s 0.07% or 30%. It’s not good enough. Accepting any percentage is unacceptable."
There was no "acceptance" of that number indeed Corbyn commissioned the Chakrabarti report even before this was an issue in the media. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:51 - Jul 23 with 791 views | solomon |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:30 - Jul 23 by BloomBlue |
Ah the old approach of 'it's OK for Corbyn's Labour to be racist against Jewish people because Boris Tory party is racist against Muslims" - talk about a race to the bottom.
Corbyn supported that graffiti artist when his work was going to be scrubbed off the wall even though the artist admitted it was deliberately antisemitic, Corbyn basically arguing it was an attack on free speech. If that mural had glorified slavery against black people would Corbyn defend that as free speech. No correctly he wouldn't defend it as that would be racist, so why was it OK to be defended as free speech as it was antisemitic?
Corbyn's problem is he hates Israel and that hatred has manifested into hatred of the Jewish community in the UK, hence the mask slips occasionally with the mural and not kicking Livingstone out of the Labour as examples.
It's the same with Trump supporters who defend Trump against the Capitol riot in that he never told people to directly attack the building, but we all know his words were deliberately spoken in such a way to encourage it. Unfortunately too many have been brainwashed by momentum to defend/excuse Corbyn in the same way. Trump and Corbyn supporters are a mirror image.
When it comes to the Jewish community, Corbyn was, is and will always be a racist |
I think that most of the community, not all I grant you that, like to believe he isn’t a racist at all. However he has kept some very bad company and with a past as colourful as JC’s his sense of loyalty to those factions has seriously impaired his judgement especially when he became leader. He’s not hated in all quarters, far from it, but he has shown awful judgement, and very much like the loon we have in 10 Downing Street now, is not fit for purpose in any way as leader of a nation. What is depressing is the belief that the downfall of JC is all a conspiracy, and a conspiracy orchestrated by a single race and it’s perceived allies, of course history shows us that this sort of poison has happened before with devastating consequences. One hopes that a modern society can move forward and flourish and discard the old prejudices that have held us all (regardless of race, religion and gender) back for so long.
JC as London mayor? Considering his failings here I’d say that has to be a non starter. |  | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:55 - Jul 23 with 774 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:51 - Jul 23 by solomon |
I think that most of the community, not all I grant you that, like to believe he isn’t a racist at all. However he has kept some very bad company and with a past as colourful as JC’s his sense of loyalty to those factions has seriously impaired his judgement especially when he became leader. He’s not hated in all quarters, far from it, but he has shown awful judgement, and very much like the loon we have in 10 Downing Street now, is not fit for purpose in any way as leader of a nation. What is depressing is the belief that the downfall of JC is all a conspiracy, and a conspiracy orchestrated by a single race and it’s perceived allies, of course history shows us that this sort of poison has happened before with devastating consequences. One hopes that a modern society can move forward and flourish and discard the old prejudices that have held us all (regardless of race, religion and gender) back for so long.
JC as London mayor? Considering his failings here I’d say that has to be a non starter. |
I don't know about the Twitterverse, but no-one on here has suggested the downfall of JC conspiracy was orchestrated by a single race. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 15:17 - Jul 23 with 651 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:26 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's all just more 'guilty by association' nonsense. I can't be bothered to waste anymore of my time on it. I've pulled apart your video above and you have no answer for the points made other than to link a Daily Mail article (which basically just reiterates the video). Wowsers. The Daily Mail calling out racism! You are getting desperate.
Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay. |
“Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay.”
Oh dolly, you really are a silly sausage.
I left the Tory party in 2017 because of May doing a deal with the DUP.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/407526/3644183/oh-sweet-irony...
Johnson made his comments a year later. My response was as follows
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4046860/bojo-and-islamaphobia/#post4046860
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4048316/bojo-and-islamaphobia/#post4048316
I’m pretty consistent in calling out racism from both sides. My posting history is littered with examples.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/453517/this-bloke-is-a-tory-councillor/#0
If used correctly then Whatabouttery can sometimes be a useful tool to expose another person’s rank hypocrisy and double standards. It can also make the intended target look bloody stupid.
However, in this instance you have done the reverse and made yourself look even more foolish than you usually do. Which in fairness is pretty impressive.
Just remember next time that some of us will call out racism and bigotry when it comes from people whose political views may often align with our own. Whereas others will wriggle and squirm to defend the indefensible. [Post edited 23 Jul 2022 16:16]
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 15:39 - Jul 23 with 626 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 15:17 - Jul 23 by GlasgowBlue |
“Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay.”
Oh dolly, you really are a silly sausage.
I left the Tory party in 2017 because of May doing a deal with the DUP.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/407526/3644183/oh-sweet-irony...
Johnson made his comments a year later. My response was as follows
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4046860/bojo-and-islamaphobia/#post4046860
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4048316/bojo-and-islamaphobia/#post4048316
I’m pretty consistent in calling out racism from both sides. My posting history is littered with examples.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/453517/this-bloke-is-a-tory-councillor/#0
If used correctly then Whatabouttery can sometimes be a useful tool to expose another person’s rank hypocrisy and double standards. It can also make the intended target look bloody stupid.
However, in this instance you have done the reverse and made yourself look even more foolish than you usually do. Which in fairness is pretty impressive.
Just remember next time that some of us will call out racism and bigotry when it comes from people whose political views may often align with our own. Whereas others will wriggle and squirm to defend the indefensible. [Post edited 23 Jul 2022 16:16]
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Yet still promoting the Spectator …
Even when you’re right you’re wrong. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 15:44 - Jul 23 with 623 views | noggin |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 11:51 - Jul 23 by solomon |
I think that most of the community, not all I grant you that, like to believe he isn’t a racist at all. However he has kept some very bad company and with a past as colourful as JC’s his sense of loyalty to those factions has seriously impaired his judgement especially when he became leader. He’s not hated in all quarters, far from it, but he has shown awful judgement, and very much like the loon we have in 10 Downing Street now, is not fit for purpose in any way as leader of a nation. What is depressing is the belief that the downfall of JC is all a conspiracy, and a conspiracy orchestrated by a single race and it’s perceived allies, of course history shows us that this sort of poison has happened before with devastating consequences. One hopes that a modern society can move forward and flourish and discard the old prejudices that have held us all (regardless of race, religion and gender) back for so long.
JC as London mayor? Considering his failings here I’d say that has to be a non starter. |
A single race and it's perceived allies? What about the bald, beer bellied football lads who are convinced he supports the IRA? Or is that who you meant? |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 16:09 - Jul 23 with 590 views | solomon |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 15:44 - Jul 23 by noggin |
A single race and it's perceived allies? What about the bald, beer bellied football lads who are convinced he supports the IRA? Or is that who you meant? |
I think you know exactly what I mean . | | | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 16:18 - Jul 23 with 576 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 15:17 - Jul 23 by GlasgowBlue |
“Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay.”
Oh dolly, you really are a silly sausage.
I left the Tory party in 2017 because of May doing a deal with the DUP.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/407526/3644183/oh-sweet-irony...
Johnson made his comments a year later. My response was as follows
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4046860/bojo-and-islamaphobia/#post4046860
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4048316/bojo-and-islamaphobia/#post4048316
I’m pretty consistent in calling out racism from both sides. My posting history is littered with examples.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/453517/this-bloke-is-a-tory-councillor/#0
If used correctly then Whatabouttery can sometimes be a useful tool to expose another person’s rank hypocrisy and double standards. It can also make the intended target look bloody stupid.
However, in this instance you have done the reverse and made yourself look even more foolish than you usually do. Which in fairness is pretty impressive.
Just remember next time that some of us will call out racism and bigotry when it comes from people whose political views may often align with our own. Whereas others will wriggle and squirm to defend the indefensible. [Post edited 23 Jul 2022 16:16]
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My apologies. I didn't realise you'd been out of the Tory party so long.
My mistake.
I will call out racism and bigotry, even from people whose political views align with my own, if it's obvious, factual and evidential. I won't do it on hearsay and 'guilt by association' arguments. That's the difference between Boris and Corbyn. If Corbyn had said anything like some of the stuff Boris has I would cease to support him and indeed call him out. It hasn't happened yet. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 17:13 - Jul 23 with 518 views | noggin |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 16:09 - Jul 23 by solomon |
I think you know exactly what I mean . |
But nobody has ever, as far as I've seen, accused any race of plotting his downfall. Well, unless you class the right wing media as a race. | |
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