| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London 17:07 - Jul 22 with 6495 views | giant_stow |
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/22/london-mayor-jeremy-corbyn-would-dis
I don't know whether this columnist has just made this up for the sake his opinions, or whether its been seriously mentioned elsewhere. Would be an intriguing platform for him to take the fight to Starmer though and probably make a lot of Londoners very happy (being honest). |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 07:55 - Jul 23 with 835 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 07:44 - Jul 23 by solomon |
Some will still defend this to the last, it says all you need to know about their true motives and beliefs. [Post edited 23 Jul 2022 7:51]
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I’m sure someone will be along to defend this
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:03 - Jul 23 with 831 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 00:39 - Jul 23 by BlueBadger |
I was with the 'feeble and half arsed' school of thought until the 'they just don't get British Irony' comment. |
Be fair badger. [redacted] has already explained this.
Corbyn wasn’t being racist towards all British Jews. He was just being racist to two particular British Jews. So that doesn’t really make it racist.
Besides. He doesn’t agree with their political views and they were disrupting Jeremy’s meeting, so they deserved to be racially abused anyway. It was all their fault.
Or something like that. [Post edited 23 Jul 2022 8:06]
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:13 - Jul 23 with 800 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 07:36 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Interesting...
1. ...that Jeremy Corbyn isn't to be seen anywhere in this video.
2. ...that the two comments under it say "Do try and stop calling everybody who you disagree with a “Nazi” . It’s rather dim witted." and "This is propaganda."
3. ...that when you click on the Searchlight link there's no such page. And even when you put James Thring in their search box nothing comes up.
4. ...that this video, put together by someone called "AntiFascist Campaigner", is the only video on their YouTube channel. Not much of a campaigner then!
Once again your 'evidence' is flimsy at best. |
Oh dear.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3191508/Jeremy-Corbyn-hosts-event-anti-
Take your time to read this from Hope Not Hate/ CST. There are quite a few people mentioned who Cotprbyn has associated with and defended.
https://cst.org.uk/data/file/6/c/keep-talking-2020-02.1615559510.pdf
Then ask yourself why you continue to defend this man? | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:26 - Jul 23 with 779 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
It's all just more 'guilty by association' nonsense. I can't be bothered to waste anymore of my time on it. I've pulled apart your video above and you have no answer for the points made other than to link a Daily Mail article (which basically just reiterates the video). Wowsers. The Daily Mail calling out racism! You are getting desperate.
Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:34 - Jul 23 with 776 views | solomon |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:26 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's all just more 'guilty by association' nonsense. I can't be bothered to waste anymore of my time on it. I've pulled apart your video above and you have no answer for the points made other than to link a Daily Mail article (which basically just reiterates the video). Wowsers. The Daily Mail calling out racism! You are getting desperate.
Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay. |
We are not desperate, some of us are deeply offended by the constant bear baiting and accusations of smearing when the facts prove otherwise. I hate this it’s like constantly being poked with a stick. As I’ve said before all of us deserve a safe space, that includes this place too. |  | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:50 - Jul 23 with 732 views | Darth_Koont |
You really should be directing your ire at Starmer and the Labour Party for still having him as a member, shouldn't you?
Otherwise, someone could suspect that this is about marginalising the left for you. And that even you know you're blowing smoke. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:53 - Jul 23 with 748 views | Funge |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:34 - Jul 23 by solomon |
We are not desperate, some of us are deeply offended by the constant bear baiting and accusations of smearing when the facts prove otherwise. I hate this it’s like constantly being poked with a stick. As I’ve said before all of us deserve a safe space, that includes this place too. |
You have my sympathy, Solomon. I'm in broad agreement.
I'm sick of the main protagonist on this thread; not much more I can do other than ignore them; they really shouldn't be welcome on here.
Peace, my friend. |  | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:55 - Jul 23 with 741 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:34 - Jul 23 by solomon |
We are not desperate, some of us are deeply offended by the constant bear baiting and accusations of smearing when the facts prove otherwise. I hate this it’s like constantly being poked with a stick. As I’ve said before all of us deserve a safe space, that includes this place too. |
It started with others in this thread calling Corbyn a racist, no-one was poking you. I've merely responded to yet more of Glassers' 'evidence' which easily falls apart under the tiniest scrutiny. I'm bored of it. If there were solid evidence I wouldn't push back.
You've basically accused me of being a racist. If you and others keep throwing out the accusation people will fight back. That's not us bear baiting.
There are no "facts (that) prove otherwise" around Corbyn being a racist, otherwise he'd have been thrown out of the Labour Party and possibly arrested. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:59 - Jul 23 with 724 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 22:27 - Jul 22 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t know why it’s so hard to accept with grace the findings of the EHRC that “unlawful acts of discrimination and harassment” occurred, or of the Forde report that Labour under Corbyn “did a disservice to those experiencing antisemitism”.
Wake up, smell the coffee and promise to do better would go down far better with the electorate than continued denial in the face of damning evidence. Not my party though, so if Labour want to continue to self-implode over the issue, that’s their business (but to the detriment of all of us while they continue to facilitate the Tories). |
What denial?
I like you Swanners but here you're just spouting the bad faith line coming from Corbyn's opponents and regurgitated by most of the media.
From the very start with the commissioning and promotion of the Chakrabarti report and its findings there was no denial of antisemitism within the party. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:04 - Jul 23 with 732 views | Funge |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:55 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It started with others in this thread calling Corbyn a racist, no-one was poking you. I've merely responded to yet more of Glassers' 'evidence' which easily falls apart under the tiniest scrutiny. I'm bored of it. If there were solid evidence I wouldn't push back.
You've basically accused me of being a racist. If you and others keep throwing out the accusation people will fight back. That's not us bear baiting.
There are no "facts (that) prove otherwise" around Corbyn being a racist, otherwise he'd have been thrown out of the Labour Party and possibly arrested. |
Little tip, Dolly.
If a Jewish bloke states he's uncomfortable with suggested anti-semitism on the board, it might be best to perhaps consider his viewpoint with a little sensitivity, rather than reverting to your default setting of arguing with the moon, just so you can be proved right, again.
You don't need to 'fight back', ffs, you need to fcking *listen* to him.
I cannot believe I'm having to set this out. | | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:09 - Jul 23 with 703 views | Mullet |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:34 - Jul 23 by solomon |
We are not desperate, some of us are deeply offended by the constant bear baiting and accusations of smearing when the facts prove otherwise. I hate this it’s like constantly being poked with a stick. As I’ve said before all of us deserve a safe space, that includes this place too. |
I think that's very pertinent.
FWIW I think the best reading of Corbyn on the issue was that he was too soft or indeed, naïve to deal with anti-semitism and that ties in with his abject failure as a leader. It's quite possible that a man of his generation and politics also didn't consider some things racists in 2022 which the general population do. That's not an excuse or an endorsement either, but further evidence of his unsuitability to top office.
The fact that his cultists can't separate the man from the leader who delivered us the most right-wing, corrupt and damaging government possible with such a strong mandate is always glossed over and never addressed.
Part of that is being unable to unite people because he or at least the people he surrounded himself with are such zealots and myopic egotists. Look at the mess they create still now, arguing over semantics and trying to undermine their enemies not everybody's enemies.
It says everything about the childish outlook and unsuitability around JC that their efforts have not poured into embodying their beliefs and fighting against the government tooth and nail. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:14 - Jul 23 with 686 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:04 - Jul 23 by Funge |
Little tip, Dolly.
If a Jewish bloke states he's uncomfortable with suggested anti-semitism on the board, it might be best to perhaps consider his viewpoint with a little sensitivity, rather than reverting to your default setting of arguing with the moon, just so you can be proved right, again.
You don't need to 'fight back', ffs, you need to fcking *listen* to him.
I cannot believe I'm having to set this out. |
Except I'm fighting back against the accusations against Corbyn. That's it. Having connections to the Jewish faith, or any faith/race, doesn't give anyone cart blanche to throw out accusations of racism unchallenged.
If anyone's antisemitic towards Solomon I'll defend him to the hilt. [Post edited 23 Jul 2022 9:14]
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:14 - Jul 23 with 671 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:09 - Jul 23 by Mullet |
I think that's very pertinent.
FWIW I think the best reading of Corbyn on the issue was that he was too soft or indeed, naïve to deal with anti-semitism and that ties in with his abject failure as a leader. It's quite possible that a man of his generation and politics also didn't consider some things racists in 2022 which the general population do. That's not an excuse or an endorsement either, but further evidence of his unsuitability to top office.
The fact that his cultists can't separate the man from the leader who delivered us the most right-wing, corrupt and damaging government possible with such a strong mandate is always glossed over and never addressed.
Part of that is being unable to unite people because he or at least the people he surrounded himself with are such zealots and myopic egotists. Look at the mess they create still now, arguing over semantics and trying to undermine their enemies not everybody's enemies.
It says everything about the childish outlook and unsuitability around JC that their efforts have not poured into embodying their beliefs and fighting against the government tooth and nail. |
Jeez. You really believe all this?! | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:18 - Jul 23 with 681 views | Zapers |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 00:41 - Jul 23 by BlueBadger |
A remarkable show of self awareness here, given how keen you've been to turn up and defend Boris Johnson. |
I'm sure you will be happy to show me where i have consistently supported BJ? One poster referred him as my idol, simply because I supported him going to Kyiv!
When i lived in the UK, many years ago, I was at best a floating voter. In all honesty, most of the time, I never even bothered to vote. |  | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:23 - Jul 23 with 660 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 23:47 - Jul 22 by lowhouseblue |
plus your posting history which, alas, anyone who reads the site knows full well. you're like those americans who still won't admit that trump ever did anything wrong. [Post edited 22 Jul 2022 23:47]
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So, I'll take that as a Yes. you only have accusations.
I'm happy to defend my posting record. And I also know that you've consistently had to lie about and misrepresent my views to attack me. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:27 - Jul 23 with 673 views | lowhouseblue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 22:50 - Jul 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So you are saying that Jeremy Corbyn is a racist? |
my answer to that is i don't know. all his life has been spent in a bit of the political spectrum where jewish conspiracy nonsense is common - i don't know how much of that he has absorbed. he certainly seems to have become desensitised to those theories to the extent that he finds it hard to spot them or reject them.
my charge against corbyn, which i've posted many times before, is that he comes from a bit of politics where anti-semitism is common and if people agree with him on issues such as being anti-US, anti-west, anti-nato etc then he is happy to turn a blind eye to it. it is proven constantly by the people he has associated with - if it's politically convenient he won't see anti-semitism. sadly we know that's not uncommon. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:29 - Jul 23 with 652 views | lowhouseblue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:23 - Jul 23 by Darth_Koont |
So, I'll take that as a Yes. you only have accusations.
I'm happy to defend my posting record. And I also know that you've consistently had to lie about and misrepresent my views to attack me. |
people have read your posting history. no lies, people know that it is what it is. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:30 - Jul 23 with 633 views | BloomBlue |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:26 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's all just more 'guilty by association' nonsense. I can't be bothered to waste anymore of my time on it. I've pulled apart your video above and you have no answer for the points made other than to link a Daily Mail article (which basically just reiterates the video). Wowsers. The Daily Mail calling out racism! You are getting desperate.
Meanwhile, while you were still supporting the Tories, Boris was literally calling Muslim women letterboxes, increasing Islamophobic incidents by 375 per cent. And you continued to support the Tories after that. Actual racism, not hearsay. |
Ah the old approach of 'it's OK for Corbyn's Labour to be racist against Jewish people because Boris Tory party is racist against Muslims" - talk about a race to the bottom.
Corbyn supported that graffiti artist when his work was going to be scrubbed off the wall even though the artist admitted it was deliberately antisemitic, Corbyn basically arguing it was an attack on free speech. If that mural had glorified slavery against black people would Corbyn defend that as free speech. No correctly he wouldn't defend it as that would be racist, so why was it OK to be defended as free speech as it was antisemitic?
Corbyn's problem is he hates Israel and that hatred has manifested into hatred of the Jewish community in the UK, hence the mask slips occasionally with the mural and not kicking Livingstone out of the Labour as examples.
It's the same with Trump supporters who defend Trump against the Capitol riot in that he never told people to directly attack the building, but we all know his words were deliberately spoken in such a way to encourage it. Unfortunately too many have been brainwashed by momentum to defend/excuse Corbyn in the same way. Trump and Corbyn supporters are a mirror image.
When it comes to the Jewish community, Corbyn was, is and will always be a racist |  | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:32 - Jul 23 with 620 views | Mullet |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:14 - Jul 23 by Darth_Koont |
Jeez. You really believe all this?! |
Given last time you tried to sneer at me I had to explain to you what "left wing" means and then you got all uppity, it's hard to have any sort of discourse with you because you are so one-eyed and dismissive of facts.
It's really interesting you will accept no criticism of Jezza despite his evident failures. It makes your voice completely redundant, although it is incredibly on brand. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:38 - Jul 23 with 582 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:32 - Jul 23 by Mullet |
Given last time you tried to sneer at me I had to explain to you what "left wing" means and then you got all uppity, it's hard to have any sort of discourse with you because you are so one-eyed and dismissive of facts.
It's really interesting you will accept no criticism of Jezza despite his evident failures. It makes your voice completely redundant, although it is incredibly on brand. |
Gmpf. I'm certainly dismissive of those with little to no facts.
Here's how it works: Make a point based somewhat on reality and then there's the option to discuss it. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:40 - Jul 23 with 569 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:30 - Jul 23 by BloomBlue |
Ah the old approach of 'it's OK for Corbyn's Labour to be racist against Jewish people because Boris Tory party is racist against Muslims" - talk about a race to the bottom.
Corbyn supported that graffiti artist when his work was going to be scrubbed off the wall even though the artist admitted it was deliberately antisemitic, Corbyn basically arguing it was an attack on free speech. If that mural had glorified slavery against black people would Corbyn defend that as free speech. No correctly he wouldn't defend it as that would be racist, so why was it OK to be defended as free speech as it was antisemitic?
Corbyn's problem is he hates Israel and that hatred has manifested into hatred of the Jewish community in the UK, hence the mask slips occasionally with the mural and not kicking Livingstone out of the Labour as examples.
It's the same with Trump supporters who defend Trump against the Capitol riot in that he never told people to directly attack the building, but we all know his words were deliberately spoken in such a way to encourage it. Unfortunately too many have been brainwashed by momentum to defend/excuse Corbyn in the same way. Trump and Corbyn supporters are a mirror image.
When it comes to the Jewish community, Corbyn was, is and will always be a racist |
That's a ridiculous accusation. From the first line to the last. | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:43 - Jul 23 with 557 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:04 - Jul 23 by Funge |
Little tip, Dolly.
If a Jewish bloke states he's uncomfortable with suggested anti-semitism on the board, it might be best to perhaps consider his viewpoint with a little sensitivity, rather than reverting to your default setting of arguing with the moon, just so you can be proved right, again.
You don't need to 'fight back', ffs, you need to fcking *listen* to him.
I cannot believe I'm having to set this out. |
I broadly agree with the sentiment. However, despite I think it being agreed on a different thread that legitimate incidents of antisemitism should not go unanswered and also that such incidents within the Labour Party were grossly overstated, people on here continue to withdraw to their fingers in the ears entrenched starting points again and again.
Corbyn is not a racist, Corbyn has failings (as do we all). The issue of antisemitism (by 0.07 percent of individuals) within Labour was massively over played for political ends. It worked. I do not believe individuals on the board are antisemites. I fail to understand at the end of the day why any of this would be controversial.
I reserve my right to disagree with Solomon, but think that in reality we seem to largely agree once the barriers are down. |  |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:45 - Jul 23 with 541 views | solomon |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 08:55 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It started with others in this thread calling Corbyn a racist, no-one was poking you. I've merely responded to yet more of Glassers' 'evidence' which easily falls apart under the tiniest scrutiny. I'm bored of it. If there were solid evidence I wouldn't push back.
You've basically accused me of being a racist. If you and others keep throwing out the accusation people will fight back. That's not us bear baiting.
There are no "facts (that) prove otherwise" around Corbyn being a racist, otherwise he'd have been thrown out of the Labour Party and possibly arrested. |
Where have I pointed out that you are racist? You seem to have drawn this conclusion all on your own, you and no others have not been named in any post. I await your response with clear evidence you have personally been called a racist. | | | |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:45 - Jul 23 with 524 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:29 - Jul 23 by lowhouseblue |
people have read your posting history. no lies, people know that it is what it is. |
Indeed it is. Is that why you have to lie about it and misrepresent me? | |
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| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:53 - Jul 23 with 505 views | Darth_Koont |
| Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London on 09:43 - Jul 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I broadly agree with the sentiment. However, despite I think it being agreed on a different thread that legitimate incidents of antisemitism should not go unanswered and also that such incidents within the Labour Party were grossly overstated, people on here continue to withdraw to their fingers in the ears entrenched starting points again and again.
Corbyn is not a racist, Corbyn has failings (as do we all). The issue of antisemitism (by 0.07 percent of individuals) within Labour was massively over played for political ends. It worked. I do not believe individuals on the board are antisemites. I fail to understand at the end of the day why any of this would be controversial.
I reserve my right to disagree with Solomon, but think that in reality we seem to largely agree once the barriers are down. |
Upvoted. Well said.
And just to clarify before it's jumped on. The figure of 0.07% is successful complaints, I believe. If we're looking at those within Labour who hold one or more antisemitic opinions that jumps up to around 6% which is reflected across society and the political spectrum except for the far-right where it massively increases.
Jews and non-Jews alike are absolutely right to be concerned with the ever-present danger of antisemitism and especially the rise in attacks and incidents. | |
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