| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it 00:31 - Jul 28 with 1858 views | textbackup |
For all my adult life, mainly because I know if I get into it I’ll get myself worked up to fck over things I can’t have any direct influence on, and I’ll become a miserable fcker.
However, I’m now a few days away from joining thousands of others by going on strike with work, and the more I read, the more people I speak to, I can’t help but get myself fully involved in it all. Cutting off people I work with who have wishy washy excuses not to support the union (that they pay into)
The shortsightedness of some people, how they’ve forgotten where they came from, it’s driving me nuts.
I know, each to their own, but I bet they won’t complain/forgo the pay rise if the strike ultimately leads to a pay rise in the future.
Rant over, I’ll get back in my Lane in the football thread section |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 01:50 - Jul 28 with 1765 views | Bugs |
Far too few people in this country know what unions have given us. RE sick pay, paid holidays ect. All those working class tory voters wouldn't have holiday pay if it wasn't for unions, that are now demonised in the papers they read. Things like these weren't given, they had to be negotiated on mass and taken.
IMO it's not a coincidence that lower union membership in the last 30 years has meant an eroding of pay and conditions for workers in this country.
But this view is now seen as hard left. How the hell did that happen? |  | | |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 07:44 - Jul 28 with 1577 views | Churchman |
Good for you. I have to confess I didn’t cut people off who didn’t support the Union; I wasn’t in a position to do so, but their approach really ground my gears.
Worse were those that had a problem, joined the Union, got help and promptly resigned from the Union/never renewed whatever fee they paid.
I never broke a strike, even if I didn’t agree with the action, it’s reasons or timing. You are in the Union or you are not. There are no grey areas for me.
The history of the Trade Unions is fascinating. A lot of brave people suffered, sometimes with their lives, so that people today can have representation, yet few seem to worry when the government strip these sort of rights away.
People still have visions of Scargill, the Miners and Steelworkers, yet who were proved right? Those that fought for their jobs or the government and their agencies like the NCB that stole money from the donations given by the people to families after the Aberfan disaster to remove the spoil heap? I could use a swear word here beginning with B, but will refrain.
I have worked for small, large companies and the civil service with and without representation. I know the value of Trade Unions, which is why, even after retiring I’ve remained an associate member. I know self employed and people working for small and sometimes large business don’t have the option, but where people do they should appreciate and support it in my view.
Apologies for the rant - it’s something I feel strongly about. Even more so with a government for which nirvana is the people back heating water on stoves, a tin bath and an outside sh1thouse.
I really hope your action is successful. [Post edited 28 Jul 2022 8:25]
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:28 - Jul 28 with 1433 views | PabloReuser |
While on this topic, does it make me a scab if I catch one of the few trains running between Norwich and London to get to the game on Saturday? I believe in the right to strike and in the importance of unions and would hate to walk past a picket line just because I'm desperate to be at Portman Road. But I don't drive and have no other way of getting to the game.
Moral dilemma, or what? |  | | |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:36 - Jul 28 with 1402 views | MattinLondon |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:28 - Jul 28 by PabloReuser |
While on this topic, does it make me a scab if I catch one of the few trains running between Norwich and London to get to the game on Saturday? I believe in the right to strike and in the importance of unions and would hate to walk past a picket line just because I'm desperate to be at Portman Road. But I don't drive and have no other way of getting to the game.
Moral dilemma, or what? |
I thought that a ‘scab’ in the context of strikes is someone who crosses a picket line with the intention of working at the expense of those on strike? |  | | |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:46 - Jul 28 with 1371 views | Churchman |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:36 - Jul 28 by MattinLondon |
I thought that a ‘scab’ in the context of strikes is someone who crosses a picket line with the intention of working at the expense of those on strike? |
That was always my interpretation of the term so for me, somebody who isn’t an employee using whatever service is running is purely a customer. | | | |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:53 - Jul 28 with 1350 views | PabloReuser |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:36 - Jul 28 by MattinLondon |
I thought that a ‘scab’ in the context of strikes is someone who crosses a picket line with the intention of working at the expense of those on strike? |
That's the dictionary definition, of course, but I would say anyone who uses a service on the day of a strike is in pretty much the same bracket. It hardly suggests support for the cause. | | | |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:53 - Jul 28 with 1344 views | DanTheMan |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:53 - Jul 28 by PabloReuser |
That's the dictionary definition, of course, but I would say anyone who uses a service on the day of a strike is in pretty much the same bracket. It hardly suggests support for the cause. |
Perhaps someone on here might be able to offer you a lift? |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 09:13 - Jul 28 with 1298 views | Guthrum |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 08:28 - Jul 28 by PabloReuser |
While on this topic, does it make me a scab if I catch one of the few trains running between Norwich and London to get to the game on Saturday? I believe in the right to strike and in the importance of unions and would hate to walk past a picket line just because I'm desperate to be at Portman Road. But I don't drive and have no other way of getting to the game.
Moral dilemma, or what? |
I would say the opposite. You're requiring the company to maintain services, so they can't simply stop everything and ride out the strike. |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 09:51 - Jul 28 with 1202 views | Swansea_Blue |
The only excuse I've heard that carries any weight is that going on strike is an expensive business and some (a lot of?) people won't be able to afford to do so. The problem there though thanks to Tory law changes, is that they are damaging the union by being in it and not striking. Although they should have every right to be in the union for other reasons of course, so I don't think you can blame them.
I've never really paid much attention to unions myself previously. Increasingly I'm starting to see the need though. |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 11:53 - Jul 28 with 1100 views | Churchman |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 09:51 - Jul 28 by Swansea_Blue |
The only excuse I've heard that carries any weight is that going on strike is an expensive business and some (a lot of?) people won't be able to afford to do so. The problem there though thanks to Tory law changes, is that they are damaging the union by being in it and not striking. Although they should have every right to be in the union for other reasons of course, so I don't think you can blame them.
I've never really paid much attention to unions myself previously. Increasingly I'm starting to see the need though. |
I understand that, but plenty could but for various reasons won’t. When I think of afford, I always think to the dock workers and matchgirls (Bryant & May) in the 1880s. I doubt they could afford to go on strike, but they did and in many ways changed the face of workers representation in this country.
I am aware that Unions existed long before that and were legalised as early as 1824 plus Chartism of the mid century. Without these brave people that stood up, does anyone seriously think employee conditions would be even the inadequate level they are? | | | |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 12:33 - Jul 28 with 1043 views | Darth_Koont |
Good for you.
Industrial action is the last option but I think many millions of workers and their families are there now because realistically no-one else has your back.
Hope you and your colleagues get what you deserve – and that’s certainly not a commie monstering from the Daily Mail and the Express! Sensible people with empathy will see through that divisive tosh. |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 12:41 - Jul 28 with 1023 views | noggin |
Where's DaveU today? |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 17:34 - Jul 28 with 843 views | factual_blue |
| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 12:41 - Jul 28 by noggin |
Where's DaveU today? |
On the picket line. |  |
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| I’ve swerved politics, or anything relating to it on 17:39 - Jul 28 with 834 views | J2BLUE |
Nice one |  |
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