| Can we just clarify something for a few people please! 13:11 - Aug 9 with 5053 views | STYG |
It shouldn't need it's own threat but by the comments on here, social media and so on clearly this needs to be crystal clear.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/01/richard-keogh-waking-up-paramed
- Keogh had missed his lift home but his teammate Tom Lawrence was in his Range Rover, keys in the ignition, ready to go. Did Keogh want to jump in?
“I hadn’t spent the evening with Tom,” Keogh says. “I had no reason to believe he was over the limit. Everyone was in there before me so I didn’t think: ‘Hang on a minute.’ It was just: ‘OK. I need to get home. Let’s go.’ The next thing I know I’m waking up and speaking to the paramedics.”
Keogh, a man going through a difficult time, who had had a couple of drinks, misses his lift, is offered one by a team mate who he didn't believe to be over the limit and woke up surrounded by paramedics.
He was not the driver.
He was not getting into a vehicle with someone he knew to be drunk.
He is not James Norwood.
He is not guilty of drink driving.
He's the victim of a drink driver, who suffered horrible injuries and was left for dead by his team mates. Yet he was sacked whilst the actual drink drivers were retained. He successfully took his employers to court.
Hopefully that can be the end of the ridiculous comments. I myself didn't know the background or whether he knowingly got into the car but I knew he wasn't the driver.
Ironically when someone suggested we go for Tom Lawrence before he moved to Rangers I don't recall anyone saying no on the basis he was the actual driver.
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| FFS, have a day off love. (n/t) on 17:17 - Aug 9 with 333 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| FFS, have a day off love. (n/t) on 16:56 - Aug 9 by Funge |
As long as you're Right, nothing else really matters, Dollers. |
I'm not right though, or even claiming to be. I wasn't there and have no evidence. I'm at worst aggressively on the fence on whether he did wrong. That's very different from those vilifying him, whose evidence seems to be 'Derby County said so."
The bloke wasn't even convicted of anything. |  |
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| Can we just clarify something for a few people please! on 17:23 - Aug 9 with 319 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Can we just clarify something for a few people please! on 17:16 - Aug 9 by Mullet |
That's exactly my point, and is not cause to absolve him. Especially given the Di comparison highlights that. they weren't at an all day piss up long after it ended with their driver. Nor is there a raft of conspiracy theories about Tom Lawrence/Keogh et al. either.
I'm slightly staggered by some of the ways this thread has gone in terms of bad faith and lengths to excuse Keogh as totally as possible. The idea he made a cock up is hardly controversial, nor that people aren't united on the severity likewise.
It's very odd that in one breath I'm being told after 30 seconds the car was smashed in, yet there's no way he could tell Lawrence might have been over the limit, despite all we know since. |
People crash cars when they're sober, so you're making a false equivalence there.
Anyone who knows anything about drinking knows people can look absolutely fine whilst being over the limit. It's very very easy to hide that you've had a few. Your view - that someone should automatically know - is the odd one. | |
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| The only reason he was.... on 17:28 - Aug 9 with 303 views | Kievthegreat |
| The only reason he was.... on 15:46 - Aug 9 by Bloots |
....treated unfairly, and ultimately won his case was because the others weren't sacked.
If they'd have binned them all off he wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
(which ironically he nearly didn't) |
This is untrue.
“The LAC (League Appeals' Committee) has heard and dismissed an appeal under the regulations of the EFL by Derby against the decision of the PRDC (Player Related Dispute Commission) in the case of Richard Keogh. The PDRC held that Mr Keogh had not committed gross misconduct, that he had not brought the club into serious disrepute and that he had been wrongly dismissed by the club.”
The lack of punishment to Lawrence and Bennett wasn't why he won. He won because he did not commit gross misconduct.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/11/richard-keogh-awarded-more-than [Post edited 9 Aug 2022 17:29]
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| Can we just clarify something for a few people please! on 17:31 - Aug 9 with 283 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Can we just clarify something for a few people please! on 17:23 - Aug 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
People crash cars when they're sober, so you're making a false equivalence there.
Anyone who knows anything about drinking knows people can look absolutely fine whilst being over the limit. It's very very easy to hide that you've had a few. Your view - that someone should automatically know - is the odd one. |
Bloots: got no answers only arrows. | |
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| Because they weren't.... on 17:34 - Aug 9 with 274 views | jaykay |
| Because they weren't.... on 16:10 - Aug 9 by Bloots |
....in a club, they were in a small local pub.
There was a handful of them, sounds like only 5.
But I have to accept who I am dealing with here, and I know you will never move an inch on your opinion, no matter how absurd it is. So I'll leave it there. |
those who say you wont move a inch are the ones who dont |  |
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