| Tory wipeout 13:00 - Aug 20 with 5111 views | HARRY10 |
"Figures from a YouGov poll for The Times has revealed that Labour has the backing of 43 per cent of voters, which is 15 ahead of the Tories at 28 per cent. "
which would translate into
Lab 388 seats
Tory 167 seats
a loss to the Tories of 198 seats, giving Labour an overall majority of 126
and this is before the utterly clueless Truss has even begun, or factoring in any tactical voting
Maybe the bigots might try to address the water leakages, the sewage being dumped in the rivers/sea and the excessive profits being made by the energy companies - or perhaps question why the bloated buffoon has been awol for all summer.
But no, true to form, both Truss/Sunak are attacking those who actually are at work.......for trying to stop their wages from being eroded.
Meanwhile, the 'never the brightest' stick insect reveals the real reason for brexit .....government should not “deliver certain functions at all”. What I think is meant is that government should not provide......
Maybe most of us can provide.......but we are not old, disabled, low paid....
Is this really how we want our society to be ? One where the rich get richer while others struggle to just survive. Perhaps that is why the poll has the figures it does. If not...
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| Tory wipeout on 22:15 - Aug 20 with 1684 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tory wipeout on 22:05 - Aug 20 by Darth_Koont |
Oh please.
Do you really think that Starmer is for the many not the few? Even with everything turning to sh1t he’s pitching right. |
Do you not support those policies? |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 22:21 - Aug 20 with 1679 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Tory wipeout on 22:15 - Aug 20 by tractordownsouth |
Do you not support those policies? |
No, because Starmer is establishment unlike the wealthy, privileged, career politician that’s never had a job before him. | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 22:25 - Aug 20 with 1651 views | lowhouseblue |
| Tory wipeout on 22:21 - Aug 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
No, because Starmer is establishment unlike the wealthy, privileged, career politician that’s never had a job before him. |
that's very unfair, surely the press tv gig counts as a job? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Tory wipeout on 22:25 - Aug 20 with 1645 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tory wipeout on 22:15 - Aug 20 by tractordownsouth |
Do you not support those policies? |
Yes. But go further and don’t act as if this is precious blood from a stone.
There’s so much more that needs to be done to secure what should be basic human rights. Life hasn’t been as precarious for decades. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 22:40 - Aug 20 with 1603 views | HARRY10 |
| Tory wipeout on 19:29 - Aug 20 by Trequartista |
i can change "celebrating" to "predicting" if you like.
I wonder if anyone caring to read this can guess who the traditional Labour voter is out of the two of us. |
This does seem to be beyond your comprehension - though some might be thought you are deliberately pretending to not understand. Far easier than having to defend the continuing collapse of support for the Tories.
Yes, simply bleat out that my posting up the latest poll, and adding what that WOULD mean, were it to be an election result somehow equates to my stating that Labour will win the next election. A rather clumsy attempt to muddle stated fact with prediction.
However, given that the lead has been steadily increasing for the past eight months it does suggest it is more than a blip or simply a reaction to an incompetent PM. That three of the last four by elections have seen incredible swings away from the conservatives point to a deeper distrust of the Tories.
Truss's stupidity has struck fear into the hearts of even Tory MPs. Trying to stimulate the economy while not addressing the mess you have caused (supply) smacks of rank ignorance. The economy is shrinking. Not through lack of stimulus, but through a combination of staff shortage and needless costs imposed by brexit. Companies that would have been paying into the exchequer are closing, and/or moving to the EU.
Food now rots in the fields (£60m). Care homes and the NHS are paying overtime/agency rates to cover those staff shortages. Exporters and hauliers are paying extra costs for delay and regulation due to brexit. Yet Truss's answer is to cut those customs officers, as well as passport and DVLA officers even further - utter lunacy, as is being pointed out from all sides.
In 1948 there was still rationing from the war and the country was bankrupt. Yet it managed to set up the NHS and began a programme of building social housing. You do not build a strong economy by not having a healthy workforce - the 1930s amply demonstrated that.
However, Tories have always opposed state investment, as ultimately the money comes from profits ie dividends. So since the 80s they have relied on selling off the 'family silver' and cutting investment to the bone. The consequences of which are all too plain to see. We are dependent on immigrant labour to run the NHS and care system, likewise the building trade, lorry drivers and pretty much anything else that has needed our own people to be trained. Training costs money. You either see it as an investment, or like the Tories, a charge on their dividends.
The consequences of this short termism are now becoming all too apparent, just as in the US where the infrastructure is (literally) creaking and falling apart. Try finding an NHS dentist, calling for an ambulance or even a copper. We are now told to stay away from the beaches because of raw sewage. Water shortage, months after record floods. *
Schools are talking of closing for two days to save costs. How long before we have 'cold shelters' where old folk are taken to protect them from the cold (maybe they could be moved to the fictitious 'sunny uplands' spoken of by brexiteers). Along with food banks, the barest minimum so as to claim 'something is being done'.
But nothing is being done. Nothing to alleviate or even recognise the stress, the fear this causes. The country is being run like some third world, banana republic. Cut adrift from civilisation (EU) we are slipping into a Lord of the Flies existence, while 'piggy' is sunning his bloated carcass abroad. | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 22:44 - Aug 20 with 1579 views | HARRY10 |
From the FT today - as it is behind a firewall I have reprinted it here in full, no editing - it is a damning report on the Tories and privatisation
"A pious text arrived from Thames Water this week, announcing a hosepipe ban after weeks of drought. I’d take it more seriously if the same company hadn’t just flooded entire streets north of me, with a burst water main. Thames, which cheerily urges us to enjoy summer with water pistols instead of paddling pools, has admitted wasting 600mn litres of water a day.
Accidents happen. But England’s water companies seem unusually accident-prone. They leak about 20 per cent of water supply, compared with 5 per cent in Germany. Worse, they routinely discharge raw sewage into rivers and on to beaches – leaving the UK bottom in Europe for bathing water quality.
It’s time to admit that water privatisation has been a failure. In 1989, the sell-off was touted as the route to greater efficiency and investment. But between 2002 and 2018, Scottish Water, which remains publicly owned, invested on average nearly 35 per cent more per household than English water companies, according to researchers at Greenwich University.
In 2018, Michael Gove, environment secretary at the time, said that England’s nine regional water and sewerage companies had paid out 95 per cent of their profits to shareholders between 2007 and 2016.
Privatisation was always an odd step, and no other country has copied England. Clean water is a vital public service wherever you are. This was shown by the tragedy of Flint, Michigan in the US, when an attempt to save money by tapping a contaminated river in 2014 led to residents being poisoned. Four government officials resigned and the water company Veolia was sued over its failure to admit that there was lead in the supply.
The English scandal is sewage. Last year, Southern Water pleaded guilty to knowingly permitting noxious matter to enter rivers and seas for almost six years. Running its treatment plans below capacity, it had dumped raw sewage into protected seas, contaminating shellfish and acting with what the judge said was “a wholesale disregard for the environment, for delicate ecosystems and . . . human health”.
Incredibly, despite this outrage, water companies still self-report pollution “incidents”. The government recently claimed that “high levels of self-reporting demonstrate transparency and honesty”, and that without it, public agencies would “be reliant on third parties to report when things have gone wrong”. But the environment agency says companies report only 77 per cent of incidents – which doesn’t seem like a “high level”.
Moreover, it is only thanks to third parties – including the musician Fergal Sharkey, the Rivers Trust, Surfers Against Sewage and independent scientists who have paddled out and taken samples – that the scale of the horror has been exposed. They have been the true guardians of our environment.
The official watchdogs have failed. When the chief executive of Ofwat, the regulator, appeared on BBC radio this week, he sounded like a lobbyist for the water industry. David Black dismissed critics as confused and claimed that net investment had increased fourfold since privatisation. Yet Ofwat’s own website says that investment has only “roughly doubled” in that time. And FT analysis suggests that water companies have cut investment in critical infrastructure by a fifth since the 1990s.
Despite Black’s protestations that the sector is “difficult to understand”, it was not hard to anticipate that climate change and population growth would increase demand for water. But the sector has not built a single large reservoir in England for 30 years.
There are only two things which are really difficult to understand: the complex web of ownership, which now includes sovereign wealth funds and private equity, and why Ofwat has been so supine.
On leaks, the regulator is simply not ambitious enough. The industry is largely meeting the targets set – but those are far less demanding than those achieved in Germany and Denmark. On pollution, the judge in the Southern Water case reflected that previous penalties had made no difference to the company’s behaviour.
As customers, we are captives with nowhere else to go. When Thames Water unexpectedly landed me with a whopping bill a while ago, its staff were perfectly polite. But it took time for them to accept that the cause of escalating use might be a leak, not a sudden desire by every member of my family to take baths all day. The man who finally visited, far from using “modern surveillance technologies”, simply peered into a hole in the pavement outside my house where, it turned out, some ancient equipment had broken. It took a long time to get my money back.
Rather than issuing fines which may just get passed on to customers, the answer is surely to make the water companies bid for a licence to operate, against stringent criteria. We must also stop Ofwat setting what its chief executive calls “challenging but achievable targets” – a phrase which gives the game away. And we should let Sharkey or another campaigner chair the regulator. Only such radical moves will stop the drip-drip of bad news turning into a torrent."
camilla.cavendish@ft.com | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 22:46 - Aug 20 with 1570 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Tory wipeout on 22:44 - Aug 20 by HARRY10 |
From the FT today - as it is behind a firewall I have reprinted it here in full, no editing - it is a damning report on the Tories and privatisation
"A pious text arrived from Thames Water this week, announcing a hosepipe ban after weeks of drought. I’d take it more seriously if the same company hadn’t just flooded entire streets north of me, with a burst water main. Thames, which cheerily urges us to enjoy summer with water pistols instead of paddling pools, has admitted wasting 600mn litres of water a day.
Accidents happen. But England’s water companies seem unusually accident-prone. They leak about 20 per cent of water supply, compared with 5 per cent in Germany. Worse, they routinely discharge raw sewage into rivers and on to beaches – leaving the UK bottom in Europe for bathing water quality.
It’s time to admit that water privatisation has been a failure. In 1989, the sell-off was touted as the route to greater efficiency and investment. But between 2002 and 2018, Scottish Water, which remains publicly owned, invested on average nearly 35 per cent more per household than English water companies, according to researchers at Greenwich University.
In 2018, Michael Gove, environment secretary at the time, said that England’s nine regional water and sewerage companies had paid out 95 per cent of their profits to shareholders between 2007 and 2016.
Privatisation was always an odd step, and no other country has copied England. Clean water is a vital public service wherever you are. This was shown by the tragedy of Flint, Michigan in the US, when an attempt to save money by tapping a contaminated river in 2014 led to residents being poisoned. Four government officials resigned and the water company Veolia was sued over its failure to admit that there was lead in the supply.
The English scandal is sewage. Last year, Southern Water pleaded guilty to knowingly permitting noxious matter to enter rivers and seas for almost six years. Running its treatment plans below capacity, it had dumped raw sewage into protected seas, contaminating shellfish and acting with what the judge said was “a wholesale disregard for the environment, for delicate ecosystems and . . . human health”.
Incredibly, despite this outrage, water companies still self-report pollution “incidents”. The government recently claimed that “high levels of self-reporting demonstrate transparency and honesty”, and that without it, public agencies would “be reliant on third parties to report when things have gone wrong”. But the environment agency says companies report only 77 per cent of incidents – which doesn’t seem like a “high level”.
Moreover, it is only thanks to third parties – including the musician Fergal Sharkey, the Rivers Trust, Surfers Against Sewage and independent scientists who have paddled out and taken samples – that the scale of the horror has been exposed. They have been the true guardians of our environment.
The official watchdogs have failed. When the chief executive of Ofwat, the regulator, appeared on BBC radio this week, he sounded like a lobbyist for the water industry. David Black dismissed critics as confused and claimed that net investment had increased fourfold since privatisation. Yet Ofwat’s own website says that investment has only “roughly doubled” in that time. And FT analysis suggests that water companies have cut investment in critical infrastructure by a fifth since the 1990s.
Despite Black’s protestations that the sector is “difficult to understand”, it was not hard to anticipate that climate change and population growth would increase demand for water. But the sector has not built a single large reservoir in England for 30 years.
There are only two things which are really difficult to understand: the complex web of ownership, which now includes sovereign wealth funds and private equity, and why Ofwat has been so supine.
On leaks, the regulator is simply not ambitious enough. The industry is largely meeting the targets set – but those are far less demanding than those achieved in Germany and Denmark. On pollution, the judge in the Southern Water case reflected that previous penalties had made no difference to the company’s behaviour.
As customers, we are captives with nowhere else to go. When Thames Water unexpectedly landed me with a whopping bill a while ago, its staff were perfectly polite. But it took time for them to accept that the cause of escalating use might be a leak, not a sudden desire by every member of my family to take baths all day. The man who finally visited, far from using “modern surveillance technologies”, simply peered into a hole in the pavement outside my house where, it turned out, some ancient equipment had broken. It took a long time to get my money back.
Rather than issuing fines which may just get passed on to customers, the answer is surely to make the water companies bid for a licence to operate, against stringent criteria. We must also stop Ofwat setting what its chief executive calls “challenging but achievable targets” – a phrase which gives the game away. And we should let Sharkey or another campaigner chair the regulator. Only such radical moves will stop the drip-drip of bad news turning into a torrent."
camilla.cavendish@ft.com |
“ From the FT today - as it is behind a firewall I have reprinted it here in full”
Surely you mean a PAYWALL grandad? | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 01:18 - Aug 21 with 1484 views | BlueForYou |
We won today & are top of the league! |  | | |
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| Tory wipeout on 04:46 - Aug 21 with 1439 views | jeera |
| Tory wipeout on 01:18 - Aug 21 by BlueForYou |
We won today & are top of the league! |
It's almost like the thread was posted in the general section well before the game. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 15:28 - Aug 21 with 1297 views | HARRY10 |
| Tory wipeout on 22:46 - Aug 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ From the FT today - as it is behind a firewall I have reprinted it here in full”
Surely you mean a PAYWALL grandad? |
I wondered who would be the first to spot that 
Yep, my mistake - bang to rights, fair cop, guv | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 15:48 - Aug 21 with 1275 views | solemio |
| Tory wipeout on 22:46 - Aug 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ From the FT today - as it is behind a firewall I have reprinted it here in full”
Surely you mean a PAYWALL grandad? |
I'm very relieved to see that Harry is your grandad, and I'm not, young boy. | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 20:48 - Aug 21 with 1171 views | BlueForYou |
| Tory wipeout on 04:46 - Aug 21 by jeera |
It's almost like the thread was posted in the general section well before the game. |
Thought I'd try to bring some positivity to Harry's life! | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 21:07 - Aug 21 with 1145 views | HARRY10 |
| Tory wipeout on 22:46 - Aug 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ From the FT today - as it is behind a firewall I have reprinted it here in full”
Surely you mean a PAYWALL grandad? |
ah, I see - one Generation Thicks finest....anyone over the age of 35 is a 'boomer' and anyone over 40 is a grandad
(though I suspect in your family it may well be the case) | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 21:23 - Aug 21 with 1126 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Tory wipeout on 21:07 - Aug 21 by HARRY10 |
ah, I see - one Generation Thicks finest....anyone over the age of 35 is a 'boomer' and anyone over 40 is a grandad
(though I suspect in your family it may well be the case) |
“ one Generation Thicks finest”
You missed ‘of’ and an apostrophe from ‘thick’s’
Happy to help. | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 21:37 - Aug 21 with 1108 views | HARRY10 |
Meanwhile, this should be fun
(b)Journalists at rightwing Daily Express set to strike over pay(/b)
"which has repeatedly warned its readers that “militant trade unions” are bringing Britain to its knees."
It follows in the footsteps of whinging farmers complaining about staff shortages, and fishermen whining that Johnson lied to them...............much as he did to the not too bright red wallers, who are now waking up to the reality that the supposed 'levelling up' was nothing more than an obvious lie.
Welcome to post brexit Britain, where raw sewerage closes beaches in Sussex yet water bosses get ever more bonuses, where the bloated shyster lounges on a beach in Greece, having been AWOL for weeks as Truss and Sunak come up with ever more idiot nonsense to appease the bigots in their party.
There is not so much, if any at all, bleating about 'project fear' now as reality hits home.Tthe UK voted in probably the most incompetent and certainly the most dishonest PM in its history.
And as even barristers, right wing journalists and privatised dockers are now out on strike, it might be time to re-visit the words of Pastor Niemöller ..... | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 08:43 - Aug 22 with 961 views | CityBlue |
stand by for the Tories wheeling out Dianne Abbott memes.... |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 13:57 - Aug 22 with 796 views | HARRY10 |
“We can expect that Truss will get a bounce of at least 6% if she simply performs in line with the average, which would result in bringing polls to level pegging with Labour,” it says"
yes, 6 from 15 equals 0 
Any bounce back is usually based on the incoming PM changing tack, not merely being new. So far Truss has shown that she is even more stupid and incompetent than Johnson.
A telling moment from the past was the idiot face she pulled when talking of the amount of non UK cheese being sold here, being a disgrace. It was as if the words "pull silly face" were part of the script.
Johnson was nothing other than naked ambition, where any lie was acceptable just as any stunt....rehearsed trip, ruffled hair, shirt pulled out could be used, regularly. Hopefully to distract from someone way out of their depth. Truss has similar inadequacies, but is not as practised at distraction, and is routinely shredded in the HoC. Lord knows how she will fair outside, in media interviews.
She does share one major thing with Johnson. That is to spout something clueless, only to back track a day or so later. And I suspect she will face closer scrutiny, than the bloated shyster. Once bitten etc
An opinion poll is much as an MOT. Only of any worth on the day of issue. However, recent by elections have shown a far greater loss of Tory support. Chuck in the local council elections and the potents don't look good. For the Tories to ride this out, they need someone who is seen as not only believable, but competent. Neither Truss/Sunak are that.
I suspect wiser heads are keeping hidden, leaving the current menagerie of fools ...... Rees-Mogg, Dorries, Shapps etc to carry the can. The question must be, how much damage has been done and will be done before Mary Truss is given the heave ho ? | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 14:55 - Aug 23 with 657 views | HARRY10 |
| Tory wipeout on 21:37 - Aug 21 by HARRY10 |
Meanwhile, this should be fun
(b)Journalists at rightwing Daily Express set to strike over pay(/b)
"which has repeatedly warned its readers that “militant trade unions” are bringing Britain to its knees."
It follows in the footsteps of whinging farmers complaining about staff shortages, and fishermen whining that Johnson lied to them...............much as he did to the not too bright red wallers, who are now waking up to the reality that the supposed 'levelling up' was nothing more than an obvious lie.
Welcome to post brexit Britain, where raw sewerage closes beaches in Sussex yet water bosses get ever more bonuses, where the bloated shyster lounges on a beach in Greece, having been AWOL for weeks as Truss and Sunak come up with ever more idiot nonsense to appease the bigots in their party.
There is not so much, if any at all, bleating about 'project fear' now as reality hits home.Tthe UK voted in probably the most incompetent and certainly the most dishonest PM in its history.
And as even barristers, right wing journalists and privatised dockers are now out on strike, it might be time to re-visit the words of Pastor Niemöller ..... |
The question here is that most are members of the NUJ - how they square that with the lies the Express carries ? | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 19:07 - Aug 23 with 579 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tory wipeout on 21:37 - Aug 21 by HARRY10 |
Meanwhile, this should be fun
(b)Journalists at rightwing Daily Express set to strike over pay(/b)
"which has repeatedly warned its readers that “militant trade unions” are bringing Britain to its knees."
It follows in the footsteps of whinging farmers complaining about staff shortages, and fishermen whining that Johnson lied to them...............much as he did to the not too bright red wallers, who are now waking up to the reality that the supposed 'levelling up' was nothing more than an obvious lie.
Welcome to post brexit Britain, where raw sewerage closes beaches in Sussex yet water bosses get ever more bonuses, where the bloated shyster lounges on a beach in Greece, having been AWOL for weeks as Truss and Sunak come up with ever more idiot nonsense to appease the bigots in their party.
There is not so much, if any at all, bleating about 'project fear' now as reality hits home.Tthe UK voted in probably the most incompetent and certainly the most dishonest PM in its history.
And as even barristers, right wing journalists and privatised dockers are now out on strike, it might be time to re-visit the words of Pastor Niemöller ..... |
The Expressers are going on strike? Lol (there aren’t enough lols to do this justice). I bet they won’t be running front pages on how they’re ‘woke lefties’ holding the paper to ransom. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 21:19 - Aug 23 with 549 views | BlueBadger |
| Tory wipeout on 19:29 - Aug 20 by Trequartista |
i can change "celebrating" to "predicting" if you like.
I wonder if anyone caring to read this can guess who the traditional Labour voter is out of the two of us. |
Is the answer 'neither'? |  |
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