| Gorbachev has died 21:31 - Aug 30 with 3862 views | Steve_M |
According to Russian news sources so maybe be hasn’t.
I’m not sure the mess that Russia has made since 1991 should reduce good contribution to the end of the Cold War and get freedom of Eastern Europe. |  |
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| Gorbachev has died on 10:17 - Aug 31 with 655 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:12 - Aug 31 by Ryorry |
More unpopular than Yeltsin? - I doubt it. Not much point your quoting that Guardian paragraph in a bid to support your argument when it goes on to say re a 2021 poll "a state-run pollster said."
R.I.P. Mikhail Gorbachev (& Glasnost)
He also founded Green Cross International ðŸ‘🻠let's not forget -
https://www.gcint.org/ [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 10:16]
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Read the Klein article....politically naive is the highest accolade you could throw at Gorby! It was him that prepared the ground for what followed. |  |
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| Gorbachev has died on 10:23 - Aug 31 with 628 views | blueasfook |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:15 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You must have thoroughly enjoyed watching the cowboys beat the injuns as a child xx
Edited Injury to injuns ....predictive text [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 15:06]
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Could you repeat that in English for me please? |  |
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| Gorbachev has died on 10:24 - Aug 31 with 628 views | Ryorry |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:17 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Read the Klein article....politically naive is the highest accolade you could throw at Gorby! It was him that prepared the ground for what followed. |
What Klein article?
I read both the articles you provided links to - neither of them was by Mr/Ms Klein |  |
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| Gorbachev has died on 10:25 - Aug 31 with 624 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:15 - Aug 31 by unbelievablue |
You're a comedy creation aren't you? |
Watch him spend the rest of the thread explaining that his words are completely misunderstood. |  |
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| Gorbachev has died on 10:32 - Aug 31 with 608 views | blueasfook |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:25 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Watch him spend the rest of the thread explaining that his words are completely misunderstood. |
He's probably sending frantic PMs to Koonters "HELP!!!!" | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 11:18 - Aug 31 with 576 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 08:42 - Aug 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m not sure the people of Eastern Europe would agree with your assessment. The fall of the USSR freed them from violence, corruption and poverty. The Eastern European and Baltic states however have raised living standards massively as well as embracing democracy, freedom and capitalism.
Russia has a long history of veering towards autocratic regimes and corruption. Russian views are probably also influenced by years of state controlled information and propaganda, expats I’ve met hold a very different view. Slightly boring that you view everything as the West’s fault but not surprising. It wasn’t western firms that went in and raided their commodities but well connected Russians. |
Are you trying to claim that he planned for the fall of the Soviet Union. My belief was that he hoped for a collective of independent republics. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 11:21 - Aug 31 with 575 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:25 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Watch him spend the rest of the thread explaining that his words are completely misunderstood. |
A comedy reply from unbelievable, sad down vote from Stokie and more unsubstantiated nonsense from you....Full house. Still awaiting your explanation of transphobia from yesterday btw. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 11:23 - Aug 31 with 566 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:24 - Aug 31 by Ryorry |
What Klein article?
I read both the articles you provided links to - neither of them was by Mr/Ms Klein |
The second is an extract from her book!!! | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 11:42 - Aug 31 with 540 views | bluelagos |
| Gorbachev has died on 10:17 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Read the Klein article....politically naive is the highest accolade you could throw at Gorby! It was him that prepared the ground for what followed. |
Think it harsh to judge him by the actions of those that followed him. Undoubtedly his role in ending the Soviet block / cold war did enable what followed, but I don't see how he can be judged poorly for the actions of others.
He was a communist at the end of the day, albeit one who recognised the many failings of the communist party / state. He tried to reform but the cat was soon out the bag and things escalated / changed in way he didn't foresee.
He opted not to use violence / army suppression as his predecessors had done, something many in the former communist block recognise. Think I read that the Nuclear disaster at Chernobyl played a role in his realising that many party members were loyal to the party first and foremost, irrespective of the human cost.
A man who changed large parts of the world, for the better. That things have not turned out as well as we all wish for doesn't change that imho. |  |
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| Gorbachev has died on 11:43 - Aug 31 with 537 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorbachev has died on 11:21 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A comedy reply from unbelievable, sad down vote from Stokie and more unsubstantiated nonsense from you....Full house. Still awaiting your explanation of transphobia from yesterday btw. |
Where did I mention transphobia yesterday? | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 12:02 - Aug 31 with 528 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Gorbachev has died on 11:18 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are you trying to claim that he planned for the fall of the Soviet Union. My belief was that he hoped for a collective of independent republics. |
No I’m challenging your ridiculous take that western capitalism was to blame for the problems in post Soviet Russia. It was Russians who plundered their resources aided by the corruption, cronyism and authoritarianism that followed.
Contrast that with the successful transitions to market economies in central and Eastern Europe, partially aided by the EU that you hate. |  | | |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:09 - Aug 31 with 519 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:02 - Aug 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
No I’m challenging your ridiculous take that western capitalism was to blame for the problems in post Soviet Russia. It was Russians who plundered their resources aided by the corruption, cronyism and authoritarianism that followed.
Contrast that with the successful transitions to market economies in central and Eastern Europe, partially aided by the EU that you hate. |
Have a read of Klein's Shock Doctrine and get back to me. It's comedy gold. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 12:14 - Aug 31 with 514 views | bluelagos |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:09 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Have a read of Klein's Shock Doctrine and get back to me. It's comedy gold. |
Talking of comedy gold, you won't beat this gem today :-)
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| Gorbachev has died on 12:22 - Aug 31 with 504 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:14 - Aug 31 by bluelagos |
Talking of comedy gold, you won't beat this gem today :-)
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Puts it all into perspective. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 12:37 - Aug 31 with 485 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:09 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Have a read of Klein's Shock Doctrine and get back to me. It's comedy gold. |
Her book is a subject of debate, some of the theory verges on conspiracy theory. Is disaster capitalism a thing? Yes, but it’s not the definition of free market, in the same way that people try to conflate socialism with communism.
I actually did my dissertation on the 2004 accession of the 10 (mostly) central and Eastern European states to the EU. You’d be hard pressed to find anybody reputable that believes things were better in the Soviet era. The post transition mess in Russia is a complete contrast, yet not surprising given Russian history. | | | |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:42 - Aug 31 with 483 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 11:42 - Aug 31 by bluelagos |
Think it harsh to judge him by the actions of those that followed him. Undoubtedly his role in ending the Soviet block / cold war did enable what followed, but I don't see how he can be judged poorly for the actions of others.
He was a communist at the end of the day, albeit one who recognised the many failings of the communist party / state. He tried to reform but the cat was soon out the bag and things escalated / changed in way he didn't foresee.
He opted not to use violence / army suppression as his predecessors had done, something many in the former communist block recognise. Think I read that the Nuclear disaster at Chernobyl played a role in his realising that many party members were loyal to the party first and foremost, irrespective of the human cost.
A man who changed large parts of the world, for the better. That things have not turned out as well as we all wish for doesn't change that imho. |
Fair and generally agree. However the world was not shaped for the better in any intended way other than by not reacting with force as things fell apart.
It is a genuine shame that his vision of a Socialist social democracy could not take shape but for him to imagine that Reagan, That her and their Chicago school economic backers would allow that to happen is political naivety of the highest order. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 12:45 - Aug 31 with 480 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 11:43 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Where did I mention transphobia yesterday? |
You know full well that you backed the unsubstantiated claims of another. I will take it from this weaselly worded politician style reply that you too accept that you were wrong and are very, very sorry. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 12:46 - Aug 31 with 475 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:45 - Aug 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You know full well that you backed the unsubstantiated claims of another. I will take it from this weaselly worded politician style reply that you too accept that you were wrong and are very, very sorry. |
Where did i mention transphobia? If I said i then it can't be that hard to link. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:01 - Aug 31 with 457 views | jaykay |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:46 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Where did i mention transphobia? If I said i then it can't be that hard to link. |
i think banksy means this post . when someone asked why he mention transphobia.
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:11 - Aug 31 with 458 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorbachev has died on 13:01 - Aug 31 by jaykay |
i think banksy means this post . when someone asked why he mention transphobia.
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Well done Banksy. You replied without your lips moving.
So I didn't mention transphobia. We got there in the end. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:15 - Aug 31 with 448 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Gorbachev has died on 13:11 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Well done Banksy. You replied without your lips moving.
So I didn't mention transphobia. We got there in the end. |
He wasn’t being transphobic.
You and a few others implied that he was. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:18 - Aug 31 with 439 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorbachev has died on 13:15 - Aug 31 by StochesStotasBlewe |
He wasn’t being transphobic.
You and a few others implied that he was. |
No. I made the wider pont that Banksy throws something ambiguous into his opening posts then spends 20 posts saying that's not what he meant.
He's doing it in this thread.
I never mentioned transphobia. | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:22 - Aug 31 with 424 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:46 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Where did i mention transphobia? If I said i then it can't be that hard to link. |
Fill your boots xx | |
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:33 - Aug 31 with 399 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 12:46 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Where did i mention transphobia? If I said i then it can't be that hard to link. |
Ps....
My reply to ZX....
You replied for him....
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| Gorbachev has died on 13:35 - Aug 31 with 388 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorbachev has died on 13:18 - Aug 31 by GlasgowBlue |
No. I made the wider pont that Banksy throws something ambiguous into his opening posts then spends 20 posts saying that's not what he meant.
He's doing it in this thread.
I never mentioned transphobia. |
Read the above and weep meally mouthed politician! | |
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