| The Grauniad 23:36 - Sep 10 with 2042 views | XYZ |
TWTD seems to love it. So many links.
Is it just because it's easily the best UK mainstream newspaper or that there's no paywall?
I suppose that not being owned by a non-dom seeking to influence British public opinion for their own political advantage might have some relevance. |  | | |  |
| The Grauniad on 23:41 - Sep 10 with 1992 views | Churchman |
I use it because I don’t have to pay for it. The other free ones are the Mail, Express, Mirror and Sun. Need I say more? |  | | |
| The Grauniad on 23:58 - Sep 10 with 1957 views | GlasgowBlue |
I recently read somebody call the Guardian "untrustworthy" and a 'tool of the establishment". Which is obviously, complete deluded bollox. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 00:02 - Sep 11 with 1953 views | XYZ |
| The Grauniad on 23:41 - Sep 10 by Churchman |
I use it because I don’t have to pay for it. The other free ones are the Mail, Express, Mirror and Sun. Need I say more? |
I could say more, but Phil would need to delete it, so I won't.
The Daily Mail is owned by foreigners and represents foreign interests.
Grown up countries don't allow this. | | | |
| The Grauniad on 00:05 - Sep 11 with 1935 views | XYZ |
| The Grauniad on 23:58 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
I recently read somebody call the Guardian "untrustworthy" and a 'tool of the establishment". Which is obviously, complete deluded bollox. |
Contradictory, surely?
They has a lot of sh8t around the Snowden (or Assange?) story I believe.
MI5 came in and smashed up a couple of hard disks in a macho manner. | | | |
| The Grauniad on 00:28 - Sep 11 with 1908 views | Ryorry |
Easily the best ms paper imho - albeit not perfect. I subscribe to it online as I'd feel guilty if I kept reading without paying something towards keeping it going. Even those not liking its political & social leanings must surely enjoy, err, something of its coverage of football generally & Town in particular :)
Have also just taken out an annual sub to the Eye, they're the only two I want to read regularly. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 01:30 - Sep 11 with 1832 views | Illinoisblue |
No paywall is a huge factor in my usage tbh. Great paper even if I will never understand their coverage of the Australian football league, what is it, the A League? They’re constantly tweeting that s5it out. I know they have a global outlook but honestly, nobody cares. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 06:13 - Sep 11 with 1711 views | Guthrum |
Lack of paywall means that not only the poster, but all those reading can see the linked article.
The site is also relatively fast and un-clunky.
Enough people know the Guardian to be able to parse articles for editorial bias. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 08:25 - Sep 11 with 1564 views | Churchman |
| The Grauniad on 06:13 - Sep 11 by Guthrum |
Lack of paywall means that not only the poster, but all those reading can see the linked article.
The site is also relatively fast and un-clunky.
Enough people know the Guardian to be able to parse articles for editorial bias. |
Yes, it’s website is good and it’s articles well written and easy to read. I’m not saying it isn’t inaccurate and biased. Like all publications it is. But because it is accessible and that’s a good starting point.
Having worked on one or two things that have made the news, I am deeply aware of how inaccurate it often is. Sometimes most of it. Journalists will make up what they don’t know, lie, interpret, present best guesses as fact and I doubt that’ll change.
Several viewpoints, especially some from abroad is never a bad thing. | | | |
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| The Grauniad on 09:30 - Sep 11 with 1466 views | Darth_Koont |
"Is it just because it's easily the best UK mainstream newspaper or that there's no paywall?"
Bit of both. And I'd say it's easily the best at covering the wider world and the major issues but struggles domestically and politically a lot more than it should. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 09:37 - Sep 11 with 1455 views | chicoazul |
Do you think the Graun does not seek to influence Uk public opinion for their own advantage |  |
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| The Grauniad on 09:52 - Sep 11 with 1419 views | Guthrum |
| The Grauniad on 08:25 - Sep 11 by Churchman |
Yes, it’s website is good and it’s articles well written and easy to read. I’m not saying it isn’t inaccurate and biased. Like all publications it is. But because it is accessible and that’s a good starting point.
Having worked on one or two things that have made the news, I am deeply aware of how inaccurate it often is. Sometimes most of it. Journalists will make up what they don’t know, lie, interpret, present best guesses as fact and I doubt that’ll change.
Several viewpoints, especially some from abroad is never a bad thing. |
Indeed. I've had some dealings with the print media in the past and it hasn't left me with a very high regard for their probity and accuracy. Altho in that regard the Guardian is no worse than most, rather better than some.
The more sources and viewpoints you can consume (not to mention understanding background and terminology), the better rounded your reading of a situation is likely to be. | |
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| The Grauniad on 10:04 - Sep 11 with 1390 views | Guthrum |
| The Grauniad on 09:37 - Sep 11 by chicoazul |
Do you think the Graun does not seek to influence Uk public opinion for their own advantage |
There is, perhaps, slightly more nuance than that. A media organisation may seek to influence people in a direction its editors believe to be right, as opposed to direct self-interest.
Indeed, the Manchester Guardian was set up to publish radical, reforming views at a time of considerable repression amid striving for the improvement of workers' lives. The publishers were businessmen, rather than workers themselves. | |
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| The Grauniad on 10:14 - Sep 11 with 1340 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Grauniad on 09:52 - Sep 11 by Guthrum |
Indeed. I've had some dealings with the print media in the past and it hasn't left me with a very high regard for their probity and accuracy. Altho in that regard the Guardian is no worse than most, rather better than some.
The more sources and viewpoints you can consume (not to mention understanding background and terminology), the better rounded your reading of a situation is likely to be. |
Indeed. Anybody who is getting their news and views solely from the media probably won’t consider the limitations of the business and its daily operation.
It’s absolutely vital to have a range of viewpoints, perspectives and especially formats to see the bigger and truer picture. And, of course, to understand their own specific limitations too.
It’s rational sense anyway – if you want to talk about the world, you have to understand it and explore it rather more than just projecting a worldview, opinion or narrative you happen to agree with. | |
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| The Grauniad on 10:16 - Sep 11 with 1329 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The Grauniad on 09:52 - Sep 11 by Guthrum |
Indeed. I've had some dealings with the print media in the past and it hasn't left me with a very high regard for their probity and accuracy. Altho in that regard the Guardian is no worse than most, rather better than some.
The more sources and viewpoints you can consume (not to mention understanding background and terminology), the better rounded your reading of a situation is likely to be. |
Second seconded.
Having also dealt with the media on occasion I fully know how all publications twist things and report their own bias, often completely we writing the truth.
Personally I look as The Guardian with the same scepticism as The Express etc.
I generally look at The Metro if anything. |  |
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| Over complicating things somewhat…. on 10:22 - Sep 11 with 1315 views | Bloots |
….aren’t we?
It’s simply because it’s the most politically left leaning mainstream paper.
It fits the demographic of this forum, therefore it’s the most frequently linked.
Simple. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 11:15 - Sep 11 with 1220 views | XYZ |
| The Grauniad on 09:37 - Sep 11 by chicoazul |
Do you think the Graun does not seek to influence Uk public opinion for their own advantage |
Whose advantage? The Scott Trust? | | | |
| The Grauniad on 11:31 - Sep 11 with 1182 views | Ryorry |
| The Grauniad on 09:52 - Sep 11 by Guthrum |
Indeed. I've had some dealings with the print media in the past and it hasn't left me with a very high regard for their probity and accuracy. Altho in that regard the Guardian is no worse than most, rather better than some.
The more sources and viewpoints you can consume (not to mention understanding background and terminology), the better rounded your reading of a situation is likely to be. |
You can get a whole range of alternative sources & viewpoints from social media (this place is one of the top two platforms for that imho!).
I see all other msm newspapers on twitter, even the Indie is poor these days. Often used to read Telegraph in days when it was an actual newspaper & decent, despite its politics. These days it's as bad a trolling comic as the Fail, Shun etc. Someone on twitter gave me a work-around for its paywall if anyone wants it, just pm me. | |
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| The Grauniad on 11:33 - Sep 11 with 1169 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Grauniad on 11:15 - Sep 11 by XYZ |
Whose advantage? The Scott Trust? |
The Scott Trust was wound up in 2008 so that GMG could exploit the SSE capital gains tax shelter to pay 0% in corporation taxes on their £302 million in profits that year.
Since 2008 the Guardian has been owned by The Scott Trust Limited. | |
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| The Grauniad on 12:53 - Sep 11 with 1047 views | XYZ |
| The Grauniad on 11:33 - Sep 11 by GlasgowBlue |
The Scott Trust was wound up in 2008 so that GMG could exploit the SSE capital gains tax shelter to pay 0% in corporation taxes on their £302 million in profits that year.
Since 2008 the Guardian has been owned by The Scott Trust Limited. |
Aha, "do you want to pay loads of tax or invest that sum in top quality journalism?"
Actually, I recall they lost a shedload of that by investing in the "Berliner" (not tabloid & not broadsheet) printing press.
Tax avoidance is a dreadful temptation ... "... but it's not against the law ..." | | | |
| The Grauniad on 13:03 - Sep 11 with 1029 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Grauniad on 12:53 - Sep 11 by XYZ |
Aha, "do you want to pay loads of tax or invest that sum in top quality journalism?"
Actually, I recall they lost a shedload of that by investing in the "Berliner" (not tabloid & not broadsheet) printing press.
Tax avoidance is a dreadful temptation ... "... but it's not against the law ..." |
Didn't say it was against the law. But the Scott Trust hasn't existed for 14 years. | |
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| The Grauniad on 13:04 - Sep 11 with 1028 views | XYZ |
| The Grauniad on 13:03 - Sep 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn't say it was against the law. But the Scott Trust hasn't existed for 14 years. |
I didn't say that you did! Just making a comment to pass the day.
Peace and love to all. | | | |
| The Grauniad on 13:10 - Sep 11 with 1012 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Grauniad on 13:04 - Sep 11 by XYZ |
I didn't say that you did! Just making a comment to pass the day.
Peace and love to all. |
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| The Grauniad on 13:26 - Sep 11 with 986 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Grauniad on 09:37 - Sep 11 by chicoazul |
Do you think the Graun does not seek to influence Uk public opinion for their own advantage |
Any particular advantage in mind? I’m not aware of any beyond needing to run a business (but I’ve never looked to see if they’re in cahoots with a particular political party/business interest, etc).
It’s probably the best mainstream paper imo. I get a free subscription to the FT through work and that’s very good on certain things as well. |  |
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| The Grauniad on 13:39 - Sep 11 with 970 views | chicoazul |
| The Grauniad on 11:15 - Sep 11 by XYZ |
Whose advantage? The Scott Trust? |
I just wonder why people would not associate a media org with a neoliberal Blairite globalist perspective with a lack of influence. | |
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