| What has/does TWTD make 09:51 - Oct 23 with 21392 views | chicoazul |
…of Morsy not wearing the rainbow armband on Friday? |  |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 15:44 - Oct 24 with 1373 views | J2BLUE |
| What has/does TWTD make on 14:48 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
See here we are again, you are failing to see my point entirely which is that those that are raised ( a 5 year old Muslim has no idea what adoption of belief is) with racism, homophobic, Muslims etc etc whatever "group" they belong to one is asking them to change who they are so surely if one wants to be accepted for who one is then no matter how much we dislike it one has to accept them for who they are, or maybe that's a little too idealistic for people??
People do have the right to dislike as much as the right to like!!
And for some (I won't be using derogatory terms) being gay is/has been a choice, they have gone from a same sex relationship to a straight relationship without ever thinking of being involved with the same sex in any way again, I'm not implying its common place but it does happen!!
"Your views are extremely damaging" Well they are my views and I'll just be accepting of the fact that some people don't like them!! |
And for some (I won't be using derogatory terms) being gay is/has been a choice, they have gone from a same sex relationship to a straight relationship without ever thinking of being involved with the same sex in any way again, I'm not implying its common place but it does happen!!
This is incredibly odd. Surely if anything it's an argument for sexuality being fluid? No one thinks I fancy a change, i'm going gay for six months. |  |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 15:44 - Oct 24 with 1373 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:32 - Oct 24 by chicoazul |
Proper context being what you think, not what actually is, yes? Just so we’re clear. |
If you are quoting someone you do it in full or not at all, if you wish to quote what I think then you quote it in that context, the context I meant it to come across as not what you perceive my thoughts to be, my context is based on facts, please feel free to spend some time researching history to see for yourself instead of miss quoting people on here to gain the transparency you desire!! |  | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:51 - Oct 24 with 1365 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:44 - Oct 24 by J2BLUE |
And for some (I won't be using derogatory terms) being gay is/has been a choice, they have gone from a same sex relationship to a straight relationship without ever thinking of being involved with the same sex in any way again, I'm not implying its common place but it does happen!!
This is incredibly odd. Surely if anything it's an argument for sexuality being fluid? No one thinks I fancy a change, i'm going gay for six months. |
There are people out there whom have gone from same sex relationships to being in a heterosexual relationship, it really isn't an odd concept at all bud.
It doesn't quite work like "I'm going gay for six months" it a complete change of sexual orientation. | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:55 - Oct 24 with 1352 views | J2BLUE |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:51 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
There are people out there whom have gone from same sex relationships to being in a heterosexual relationship, it really isn't an odd concept at all bud.
It doesn't quite work like "I'm going gay for six months" it a complete change of sexual orientation. |
There are people out there whom have gone from same sex relationships to being in a heterosexual relationship, it really isn't an odd concept at all bud.
That's not the part i'm struggling with.
it a complete change of sexual orientation.
This is the part i'm struggling with. It it not a case of being straight or being gay. There are bisexuals/pansexuals etc. Ending a same sex relationship and never having another doesn't mean they were choosing to be gay. | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 15:55 - Oct 24 with 1352 views | chicoazul |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:51 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
There are people out there whom have gone from same sex relationships to being in a heterosexual relationship, it really isn't an odd concept at all bud.
It doesn't quite work like "I'm going gay for six months" it a complete change of sexual orientation. |
What you’re describing is not gay. Take a moment, think it through. What could you be describing? What do you think people who are attracted to both sexes might like to be called? | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 16:11 - Oct 24 with 1307 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:55 - Oct 24 by J2BLUE |
There are people out there whom have gone from same sex relationships to being in a heterosexual relationship, it really isn't an odd concept at all bud.
That's not the part i'm struggling with.
it a complete change of sexual orientation.
This is the part i'm struggling with. It it not a case of being straight or being gay. There are bisexuals/pansexuals etc. Ending a same sex relationship and never having another doesn't mean they were choosing to be gay. |
But I'm not referring to Bisexuals, its an area that's a whole different ball game which I intended to steer clear of and which I am keeping clear of in the context of my posts!! | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:16 - Oct 24 with 1293 views | chicoazul |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:11 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
But I'm not referring to Bisexuals, its an area that's a whole different ball game which I intended to steer clear of and which I am keeping clear of in the context of my posts!! |
You literally are my friend. | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 16:23 - Oct 24 with 1279 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:55 - Oct 24 by chicoazul |
What you’re describing is not gay. Take a moment, think it through. What could you be describing? What do you think people who are attracted to both sexes might like to be called? |
What I am describing is gay, you yet are again are missing my point and twisting it, the fact is some people have started out gay and then have chosen to forever remain straight, they are not Bi or whatever terminology people wish to identify as, they have chosen a different way of life!!
Maybe because people wish to identify in so many different ways it doesn't seem plausible that a complete change can and has happened but that's just today's society, everything has to be ladled to be justifiable!! | | | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 16:29 - Oct 24 with 1260 views | chicoazul |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:23 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
What I am describing is gay, you yet are again are missing my point and twisting it, the fact is some people have started out gay and then have chosen to forever remain straight, they are not Bi or whatever terminology people wish to identify as, they have chosen a different way of life!!
Maybe because people wish to identify in so many different ways it doesn't seem plausible that a complete change can and has happened but that's just today's society, everything has to be ladled to be justifiable!! |
I wonder what people who are attracted to people of both sexes might be called.
Anyway this is very off topic | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 16:30 - Oct 24 with 1260 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:16 - Oct 24 by chicoazul |
You literally are my friend. |
Even in sarcasm I am not your friend.
So lets not sugar coat it with bullsh!t and keep it real.........I really don't like you, you feel the same toward me, its no big thing!! | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:33 - Oct 24 with 1243 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:29 - Oct 24 by chicoazul |
I wonder what people who are attracted to people of both sexes might be called.
Anyway this is very off topic |
Trevor, Simon, Lisa, Micha, Nicky, Mark etc etc??
More sarcasm, you are really good at it aren't you!! | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:44 - Oct 24 with 1224 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 15:39 - Oct 24 by DanTheMan |
There is no "for some", there's not more context needed for it. Sexuality is not a choice. |
Sexuality is a choice for some.......................see how that worked, see how well it fits into a quote, I know you are a clever person Dan, I've been on this forum long enough to see that but I honestly feel you are being completely ignorant when it comes to the context of my point, twisting it to suit your need isn't clever at all, its bullsh!t, you are better than that!! | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:49 - Oct 24 with 1203 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:11 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
But I'm not referring to Bisexuals, its an area that's a whole different ball game which I intended to steer clear of and which I am keeping clear of in the context of my posts!! |
Bisexuality is indeed a whole different ball game. |  |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 16:51 - Oct 24 with 1194 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:23 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
What I am describing is gay, you yet are again are missing my point and twisting it, the fact is some people have started out gay and then have chosen to forever remain straight, they are not Bi or whatever terminology people wish to identify as, they have chosen a different way of life!!
Maybe because people wish to identify in so many different ways it doesn't seem plausible that a complete change can and has happened but that's just today's society, everything has to be ladled to be justifiable!! |
"some people have started out gay and then have chosen to forever remain straight"
No they haven't. They might have decided to hide it, but that's not the same thing.
As Dan and many others have said, NO-ONE chooses their sexuality. I hope you're in your 80s because your view is very old fashioned. And very wrong. | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 16:56 - Oct 24 with 1188 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:49 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Bisexuality is indeed a whole different ball game. |
Dan, is that you?? Is this one of many accounts you have?? Are your friends not around to back you up at the moment so you thought you'd do it yourself??
Maybe I should be flattered?? | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:59 - Oct 24 with 1184 views | chicoazul |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:30 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
Even in sarcasm I am not your friend.
So lets not sugar coat it with bullsh!t and keep it real.........I really don't like you, you feel the same toward me, its no big thing!! |
Sorry to burst your bubble my friend but I have literally no feelings toward you at all other than a vague sense of pity.
What could we call people who are attracted to men and women? Any ideas? | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 17:00 - Oct 24 with 1166 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:56 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
Dan, is that you?? Is this one of many accounts you have?? Are your friends not around to back you up at the moment so you thought you'd do it yourself??
Maybe I should be flattered?? |
I think enough people know me to know I'm not Dan. And I was making a little joke there. | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 17:04 - Oct 24 with 1163 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:51 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"some people have started out gay and then have chosen to forever remain straight"
No they haven't. They might have decided to hide it, but that's not the same thing.
As Dan and many others have said, NO-ONE chooses their sexuality. I hope you're in your 80s because your view is very old fashioned. And very wrong. |
Yes some people do choose their sexuality, maybe you are just too young to want to believe it!!
Hiding it is totally different and not what I'm am talking about!!
I fully accept the fact that you have the right to think my views are wrong!!
Well I hope when you are in your 80's you will have seen enough of life to see just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it never happened!! | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 17:05 - Oct 24 with 1156 views | Bluearmy71 |
| What has/does TWTD make on 17:00 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think enough people know me to know I'm not Dan. And I was making a little joke there. |
My apologies for not seeing your joke, I get it now | | | |
| What has/does TWTD make on 17:06 - Oct 24 with 1151 views | chicoazul |
| What has/does TWTD make on 17:04 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
Yes some people do choose their sexuality, maybe you are just too young to want to believe it!!
Hiding it is totally different and not what I'm am talking about!!
I fully accept the fact that you have the right to think my views are wrong!!
Well I hope when you are in your 80's you will have seen enough of life to see just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it never happened!! |
Nobody chooses their sexuality. Nobody wakes up and decides for eg they like women, tied up like in your avatar or otherwise. | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 17:08 - Oct 24 with 1135 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What has/does TWTD make on 17:04 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
Yes some people do choose their sexuality, maybe you are just too young to want to believe it!!
Hiding it is totally different and not what I'm am talking about!!
I fully accept the fact that you have the right to think my views are wrong!!
Well I hope when you are in your 80's you will have seen enough of life to see just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it never happened!! |
So are you in your 80s then?
Also, have you got some evidence to back up this assertion that some people choose their sexuality? | |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 18:54 - Oct 24 with 1054 views | bluelagos |
| What has/does TWTD make on 17:08 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So are you in your 80s then?
Also, have you got some evidence to back up this assertion that some people choose their sexuality? |
A few years back, a guy explained it to me thus.
Sexuality is a spectrum, from the straightest of straight to the gayest of gay. And some people move along that spectrum at different times in their lives.
Therefore there is, for some, an element of choice, whilst accepting for some there isn't. Also, whilst accepting society plays a role in pressuring some people to adopt a sexuality.
I was of the opinion there was 'no choice' involved, but taking him at his word, I think that is to over simplify the true position for everyone. Sexuality for some people, like gender, is fluid and not always fixed. |  |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 19:09 - Oct 24 with 1040 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What has/does TWTD make on 18:54 - Oct 24 by bluelagos |
A few years back, a guy explained it to me thus.
Sexuality is a spectrum, from the straightest of straight to the gayest of gay. And some people move along that spectrum at different times in their lives.
Therefore there is, for some, an element of choice, whilst accepting for some there isn't. Also, whilst accepting society plays a role in pressuring some people to adopt a sexuality.
I was of the opinion there was 'no choice' involved, but taking him at his word, I think that is to over simplify the true position for everyone. Sexuality for some people, like gender, is fluid and not always fixed. |
I think there is plenty of evidence that sexuality is a combination of innate and upbringing - a combination of genetic and environmental factors.
Everyone has a freedom to express their sexuality or not (although for many there are serious consequences to expressing it). I would like to think that we are all agreed that where governments and others persecute people for expressing their sexuality it is wrong. This has clearly happened in the past and still does now.
What often gets overlooked in this debate is the idea that sexual attraction does not have to determine behaviour. Plenty of people have chosen celibacy, abstinence or monogamy over satisfying their base desires for a variety of reasons. |  |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 19:23 - Oct 24 with 1021 views | jeera |
| What has/does TWTD make on 16:56 - Oct 24 by Bluearmy71 |
Dan, is that you?? Is this one of many accounts you have?? Are your friends not around to back you up at the moment so you thought you'd do it yourself??
Maybe I should be flattered?? |
Dan doesn't have more than one account. Never has to my knowledge.
And he is one of the most decent posters ever to have frequented the board.
You should apologise for your false accusation there.
And for your ignorance on pretty much every level you've displayed so far to be honest. |  |
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| What has/does TWTD make on 19:27 - Oct 24 with 1017 views | bluelagos |
| What has/does TWTD make on 19:09 - Oct 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think there is plenty of evidence that sexuality is a combination of innate and upbringing - a combination of genetic and environmental factors.
Everyone has a freedom to express their sexuality or not (although for many there are serious consequences to expressing it). I would like to think that we are all agreed that where governments and others persecute people for expressing their sexuality it is wrong. This has clearly happened in the past and still does now.
What often gets overlooked in this debate is the idea that sexual attraction does not have to determine behaviour. Plenty of people have chosen celibacy, abstinence or monogamy over satisfying their base desires for a variety of reasons. |
I don't pretend to fully understand the issues (same as gender) but that makes a lot of sense to me.
And whilst I don't fully agree with Dolly, I am clear he too is against discrimination and seeks an inclusive approach. I have got to a point where I accept it's all a bit complex, but ultimately we should all seek to accept people whoever they are.
One of those areas where I'll happily leave others to argue, mainly because I don't feel informed enough to have much useful input. | |
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