| Economic migrants? on 21:12 - Nov 17 with 2127 views | HARRY10 |
Depends on your nationality
If you are from these islands and are working abroad you are an 'ex-pat'
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| Economic migrants? on 23:39 - Nov 17 with 2041 views | BlueBadger |
Literally every resident of the United Kingdom is an economic migrant, at their roots. |  |
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| Economic migrants? on 23:48 - Nov 17 with 2035 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Economic migrants? on 23:39 - Nov 17 by BlueBadger |
Literally every resident of the United Kingdom is an economic migrant, at their roots. |
I enjoyed listening to the woman on QT who was against foreign skilled workers building Sizewell C because they take OUR money (even though most of it will be French) and take it back home. What she wants, with apparently no self awareness, is for OUR workers to go overseas and bring their money back to the UK. |  |
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| Economic migrants? on 23:56 - Nov 17 with 2021 views | jeera |
| Economic migrants? on 23:39 - Nov 17 by BlueBadger |
Literally every resident of the United Kingdom is an economic migrant, at their roots. |
A few of my mum's family left Malta during the war and came to London due to obvious reasons. A couple of great aunts and their children sort of thing as the island was getting the sh1t bombed out of it.
My grandfather was a British serviceman based over there. My grandmother married my grandfather over there and they came back to England just before the war, and most of their kids, including my mum, were born here. Just the eldest was born in Malta I think. He then served in Sicily during the war and before and after that he was based around the mainland UK, with the kids going to school locally according to where he was based.
They, the kids, were called names in the street here too and told to go home. Funny one isn't it.
Edit: I should add a brief note that I know I have posted this before and that I incorrectly said something along the lines of my mother and co came here during the war. I'd got my dates mixed up, what with not being around then myself, but have since qualified it all with the relevant people. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 0:03]
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| Economic migrants? on 00:03 - Nov 18 with 2010 views | BlueBadger |
| Economic migrants? on 23:56 - Nov 17 by jeera |
A few of my mum's family left Malta during the war and came to London due to obvious reasons. A couple of great aunts and their children sort of thing as the island was getting the sh1t bombed out of it.
My grandfather was a British serviceman based over there. My grandmother married my grandfather over there and they came back to England just before the war, and most of their kids, including my mum, were born here. Just the eldest was born in Malta I think. He then served in Sicily during the war and before and after that he was based around the mainland UK, with the kids going to school locally according to where he was based.
They, the kids, were called names in the street here too and told to go home. Funny one isn't it.
Edit: I should add a brief note that I know I have posted this before and that I incorrectly said something along the lines of my mother and co came here during the war. I'd got my dates mixed up, what with not being around then myself, but have since qualified it all with the relevant people. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 0:03]
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My dad's family tree are a bit of a mystery, owing to my grandad's 'rural' approach to record keeping but one my mum's side of the family, I'm likely descended from possibly, but most likely Belgian Huguenots.My mum has genuinely had people from all corners of the word asking her if they're related because her mum(m grandmother's) family name is VERY specific.
I have no doubt that my nan's(fairly immediate) acestors had a tricky time. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 00:11 - Nov 18 with 1992 views | jeera |
| Economic migrants? on 00:03 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
My dad's family tree are a bit of a mystery, owing to my grandad's 'rural' approach to record keeping but one my mum's side of the family, I'm likely descended from possibly, but most likely Belgian Huguenots.My mum has genuinely had people from all corners of the word asking her if they're related because her mum(m grandmother's) family name is VERY specific.
I have no doubt that my nan's(fairly immediate) acestors had a tricky time. |
"I have no doubt that my nan's (fairly immediate) ancestors had a tricky time."
Over whether the 'H' in Huguenot was pronounced or whether it was silent for a start?! | |
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| Economic migrants? on 00:13 - Nov 18 with 1987 views | XYZ |
| Economic migrants? on 23:39 - Nov 17 by BlueBadger |
Literally every resident of the United Kingdom is an economic migrant, at their roots. |
99% of the human race.
A few aussies, brazilians, PNG's, Inuits, not sure who else could make that claim. | | | |
| Economic migrants? on 00:17 - Nov 18 with 1985 views | BlueBadger |
| Economic migrants? on 00:11 - Nov 18 by jeera |
"I have no doubt that my nan's (fairly immediate) ancestors had a tricky time."
Over whether the 'H' in Huguenot was pronounced or whether it was silent for a start?! |
My nan's maiden name was 'Messant'. Everyone in our family pronounced it as read, I'm sure it was pronounced a lot more....forrin when they first turned out and taught people round here how to weave. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 00:18 - Nov 18 with 1978 views | BlueBadger |
| Economic migrants? on 00:13 - Nov 18 by XYZ |
99% of the human race.
A few aussies, brazilians, PNG's, Inuits, not sure who else could make that claim. |
Your mum?
/standard internet joke | |
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| Economic migrants? on 00:24 - Nov 18 with 1967 views | XYZ |
| Economic migrants? on 00:18 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
Your mum?
/standard internet joke |
I can confirm that my mum (RIP) and, indeed, myself were/ are economic migrants.
Back and forth over 150 years.
How's your father? | | | |
| Economic migrants? on 00:24 - Nov 18 with 1968 views | jeera |
| Economic migrants? on 00:17 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
My nan's maiden name was 'Messant'. Everyone in our family pronounced it as read, I'm sure it was pronounced a lot more....forrin when they first turned out and taught people round here how to weave. |
People were quite happy drinking from their hands before them beaker folk showed up with their bloody drinking vessels... | |
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| Economic migrants? on 00:35 - Nov 18 with 1953 views | BlueBadger |
| Economic migrants? on 00:24 - Nov 18 by XYZ |
I can confirm that my mum (RIP) and, indeed, myself were/ are economic migrants.
Back and forth over 150 years.
How's your father? |
My dad, genuinely cannot trace his family tree beyond his grandparents. Which makes me think that his dad's side of the family(my paternal grandmother was a Land Girl from from Penistone, and believe me, we've heard ALL the jokes) were hardcore Suffolk types who didn't believe in new-fangled stuff like 'writing sh1t down'. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 00:53 - Nov 18 with 1944 views | BlueBadger |
| Economic migrants? on 00:24 - Nov 18 by jeera |
People were quite happy drinking from their hands before them beaker folk showed up with their bloody drinking vessels... |
The older I get, the more VERY SMALL history fascinates me. We barely know how kings lived not the long ago, how did our ancestors REALLY live? I think it's one of the reasons why I like REALLY traditional folk music - if offers an insight(with all caveats about artistic license here) into how stuff really was. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 01:06 - Nov 18 with 1927 views | factual_blue |
| Economic migrants? on 00:53 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
The older I get, the more VERY SMALL history fascinates me. We barely know how kings lived not the long ago, how did our ancestors REALLY live? I think it's one of the reasons why I like REALLY traditional folk music - if offers an insight(with all caveats about artistic license here) into how stuff really was. |
Our ancestors' lives would have mainly revolved around stealing a turnip. |  |
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| Economic migrants? on 01:29 - Nov 18 with 1920 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Economic migrants? on 23:56 - Nov 17 by jeera |
A few of my mum's family left Malta during the war and came to London due to obvious reasons. A couple of great aunts and their children sort of thing as the island was getting the sh1t bombed out of it.
My grandfather was a British serviceman based over there. My grandmother married my grandfather over there and they came back to England just before the war, and most of their kids, including my mum, were born here. Just the eldest was born in Malta I think. He then served in Sicily during the war and before and after that he was based around the mainland UK, with the kids going to school locally according to where he was based.
They, the kids, were called names in the street here too and told to go home. Funny one isn't it.
Edit: I should add a brief note that I know I have posted this before and that I incorrectly said something along the lines of my mother and co came here during the war. I'd got my dates mixed up, what with not being around then myself, but have since qualified it all with the relevant people. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 0:03]
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Given all that, and the fact that the Maltese were awarded the George Cross for their collective acts of Valour during WWII, the British Public can be divided into two camps:
Those who want to say "F Off" to your family (and, by implication, you).
And those who said to them "Welcome into our community, we've lots to be getting on with and I'm sure you have lots to offer."
It speaks volumes that the family of a British WWII veteran and a joint holder of the George Cross for resistance against the Nazis faced racist persecution from some utterly ignorant sections of the British population back then.
They didn't deserve to have your family amongst them, the ignorant shts. | | | |
| Economic migrants? on 06:40 - Nov 18 with 1835 views | Churchman |
| Economic migrants? on 23:56 - Nov 17 by jeera |
A few of my mum's family left Malta during the war and came to London due to obvious reasons. A couple of great aunts and their children sort of thing as the island was getting the sh1t bombed out of it.
My grandfather was a British serviceman based over there. My grandmother married my grandfather over there and they came back to England just before the war, and most of their kids, including my mum, were born here. Just the eldest was born in Malta I think. He then served in Sicily during the war and before and after that he was based around the mainland UK, with the kids going to school locally according to where he was based.
They, the kids, were called names in the street here too and told to go home. Funny one isn't it.
Edit: I should add a brief note that I know I have posted this before and that I incorrectly said something along the lines of my mother and co came here during the war. I'd got my dates mixed up, what with not being around then myself, but have since qualified it all with the relevant people. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 0:03]
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I think peoples’ heritage is fascinating. As is Malta. I’ve been a good number of times and while WW2 rightly gets a lot of attention, it’s history is astonishing and goes way back. Amazing people.
In WW2, it’s role in the Mediterranean and North African theatre was absolutely pivotal. Had it fallen, there is a very good chance the allies would have been kicked out of North Africa. As it was, air and sea assets from Malta choked Germany and Italy. The story of Operation Pedestal is one of the most amazing of WW2. You could make any number of films on the different aspects of it from Malta itself to the court-martial of HMS Manchester’s Captain for putting his crew first.
Back to heritage, everyone comes from somewhere and usually adds something to a society. That includes the Huguenots who brought techniques in textiles and invented Oxtail soup to name but two. A good friend of mine is part Sri Lankan, Indian, French and English. She was born here but because of her lovely appearance, she’s had deal with the ‘go home’ stuff over the years. Peoples ignorance, fear and basic stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
My own heritage is frankly dull. On my dad’s side I got back to the late 15c and it’s thought is that my surname rocked over with the Norman invasion. My mums side - no further than the 18c and the name indicates Anglo Saxon. Nothing indigenous about me then. Bl00dy outsider. Along with just about everyone else in this country. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 8:05]
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| Economic migrants? on 07:55 - Nov 18 with 1792 views | Guthrum |
| Economic migrants? on 00:13 - Nov 18 by XYZ |
99% of the human race.
A few aussies, brazilians, PNG's, Inuits, not sure who else could make that claim. |
Even they came from somewhere else to make a living. Possibly a few East Africans can claim to have been resident since the beginning, but that's it. |  |
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| Economic migrants? on 08:14 - Nov 18 with 1760 views | bluelagos |
I think everyone should take one of those ancestry DNA tests and they'd soon realise how much of their make up is from places dotted around the globe.
Recent migrations within the UK are often out of London in the directions of places people visited as children on holidays. Is why so many eastenders end up in coastal Kent and Essex. My parents made that transition as newlyweds.
And the east end of London is of course a hotbed for migration, always has been. Tower Hamlets has many Bangladeshi residents but previously it had many Jewish arrivals (fleeing Nazi attrocities) and before that many French migrants amd refugees.
Towards the end of the 1800s I had relatives on both sides settle there from Northern France. I know one came with a French employer who relocated a factory in England from France (Long time ago eh)
His son was brought up fluent in French, Spanish too. Worked in Peru at a University before coming back to the UK with his young son, my Grandfather. During WW2 my Grandfather was recruited into the SOE to train operatives who went behind enemy lines in France to support the resistance. He was recruited because of his fluency and knowledge of France.
So another poster descended from recent immigrants here, (and have been known to live and work overseas myself Germany, Nigeria, Liberia, Cameroon and Malawi) who finds the negative attitudes towards economic migrants to be rather sad.
Anti immigrant attitudes are nothing new, the targets just change with time, those newly arrived seen to be taking advantage and taking our jobs, homes etc. Views that are usually held by people who if they took the opportunity to learn about their own heritage you can be 99% sure they'd find some interesting characters from home and abroad.
Same old sh1t sadly. (Some great posts btw) [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 9:50]
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| Economic migrants? on 08:18 - Nov 18 with 1754 views | Guthrum |
| Economic migrants? on 00:03 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
My dad's family tree are a bit of a mystery, owing to my grandad's 'rural' approach to record keeping but one my mum's side of the family, I'm likely descended from possibly, but most likely Belgian Huguenots.My mum has genuinely had people from all corners of the word asking her if they're related because her mum(m grandmother's) family name is VERY specific.
I have no doubt that my nan's(fairly immediate) acestors had a tricky time. |
Unless your grandfather was born before 1837 (unlikely), his birth would have to be registered, even if his parents somehow avoided the census and never legally married. Plus his father's name and profession should be on his own marriage certificate. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 08:28 - Nov 18 with 1735 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Economic migrants? on 08:14 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
I think everyone should take one of those ancestry DNA tests and they'd soon realise how much of their make up is from places dotted around the globe.
Recent migrations within the UK are often out of London in the directions of places people visited as children on holidays. Is why so many eastenders end up in coastal Kent and Essex. My parents made that transition as newlyweds.
And the east end of London is of course a hotbed for migration, always has been. Tower Hamlets has many Bangladeshi residents but previously it had many Jewish arrivals (fleeing Nazi attrocities) and before that many French migrants amd refugees.
Towards the end of the 1800s I had relatives on both sides settle there from Northern France. I know one came with a French employer who relocated a factory in England from France (Long time ago eh)
His son was brought up fluent in French, Spanish too. Worked in Peru at a University before coming back to the UK with his young son, my Grandfather. During WW2 my Grandfather was recruited into the SOE to train operatives who went behind enemy lines in France to support the resistance. He was recruited because of his fluency and knowledge of France.
So another poster descended from recent immigrants here, (and have been known to live and work overseas myself Germany, Nigeria, Liberia, Cameroon and Malawi) who finds the negative attitudes towards economic migrants to be rather sad.
Anti immigrant attitudes are nothing new, the targets just change with time, those newly arrived seen to be taking advantage and taking our jobs, homes etc. Views that are usually held by people who if they took the opportunity to learn about their own heritage you can be 99% sure they'd find some interesting characters from home and abroad.
Same old sh1t sadly. (Some great posts btw) [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 9:50]
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A bit less diverse here. I’ve been told I’ve got foreign blood from way back (in terms of followable ancestry not links to the Saxons). I’m not sure how far back though. Back to at least great grandparents all were English, and specifically east/central Midlands (Leicestershire & Warwickshire). My gran even thought the Welsh were part of the invasion the Daily Express kept telling her about and was deeply suspicious of them. That went down well with the Mrs’ family at our wedding!
When I get the time, I’m tempted to dig into the whole ancestry thing. My uncle’s done a lot of it, so I’d something to build on. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 08:30 - Nov 18 with 1728 views | Guthrum |
| Economic migrants? on 00:17 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
My nan's maiden name was 'Messant'. Everyone in our family pronounced it as read, I'm sure it was pronounced a lot more....forrin when they first turned out and taught people round here how to weave. |
Moreover, Hugenot/Flemish/Dutch names tended to change spelling, sometimes the word altogether, in English records.
One branch of my ancestors was named variously Remblends, Remblence, Remblands and even Remnants on various birth, marriage, death and census records. Which might have been a French name anglicised, or possibly even the other way around to make them sound posher. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 08:39 - Nov 18 with 1723 views | Guthrum |
| Economic migrants? on 00:53 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
The older I get, the more VERY SMALL history fascinates me. We barely know how kings lived not the long ago, how did our ancestors REALLY live? I think it's one of the reasons why I like REALLY traditional folk music - if offers an insight(with all caveats about artistic license here) into how stuff really was. |
Would recommend this:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rabbit-Skin-Cap-Norfolk-Countrymans/dp/1904784232
Edit: Tho one thing which should be remembered is that the ordinary rural family's life became more precarious in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, when enclosures took away their share of commonly-held land and turned them into farm labourers, with the agricultural economy then hit by a series of major crises following the end of the Napoleonic Wars.
Going back to the Middle Ages (especially in the labour shortages following the Black Death), English peasants tended to be fairly prosperous. To the extent that sumptuary laws were introduced to keep them in their place and stop them dressing too well. Also, thanks to monastic establishments, they could be reasonably well educated, too. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 8:46]
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| Economic migrants? on 08:49 - Nov 18 with 1700 views | Churchman |
| Economic migrants? on 08:30 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Moreover, Hugenot/Flemish/Dutch names tended to change spelling, sometimes the word altogether, in English records.
One branch of my ancestors was named variously Remblends, Remblence, Remblands and even Remnants on various birth, marriage, death and census records. Which might have been a French name anglicised, or possibly even the other way around to make them sound posher. |
My dad’s mother’s name was Bevan. You don’t get a more welsh sounding name than that, yet her family had lived in the Ipswich area for at least 250 years before the trail went murky with such a common name.
I’m still trying to decide which body part to remove to rid myself of the hereditary stain and restore my racial purity. | | | |
| Economic migrants? on 08:54 - Nov 18 with 1694 views | Guthrum |
| Economic migrants? on 08:49 - Nov 18 by Churchman |
My dad’s mother’s name was Bevan. You don’t get a more welsh sounding name than that, yet her family had lived in the Ipswich area for at least 250 years before the trail went murky with such a common name.
I’m still trying to decide which body part to remove to rid myself of the hereditary stain and restore my racial purity. |
One of my ancestors claimed on a census she was born in Wales, but turns out she was baptised (and her family came from) Mangotsfield, now on the outskirts of Bristol. Father was a coalminer who must have worked in South Wales for a time. | |
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| Economic migrants? on 09:23 - Nov 18 with 1672 views | gtsb1966 |
| Economic migrants? on 23:56 - Nov 17 by jeera |
A few of my mum's family left Malta during the war and came to London due to obvious reasons. A couple of great aunts and their children sort of thing as the island was getting the sh1t bombed out of it.
My grandfather was a British serviceman based over there. My grandmother married my grandfather over there and they came back to England just before the war, and most of their kids, including my mum, were born here. Just the eldest was born in Malta I think. He then served in Sicily during the war and before and after that he was based around the mainland UK, with the kids going to school locally according to where he was based.
They, the kids, were called names in the street here too and told to go home. Funny one isn't it.
Edit: I should add a brief note that I know I have posted this before and that I incorrectly said something along the lines of my mother and co came here during the war. I'd got my dates mixed up, what with not being around then myself, but have since qualified it all with the relevant people. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 0:03]
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I was adopted at 6 weeks old so have no family history. All I know is that my then mother lived on a caravan park somewhere in a village very near Bury St Edmunds. If you need a new driveway let me know but keep your garage locked. |  | | |
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