| Is that a reason you should always change taker? 20:45 - Dec 10 with 6423 views | FrimleyBlue |
Overthinking after his first? |  |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:21 - Dec 10 with 1172 views | StokieBlue |
One day you'll not analyse something to within an inch of it's life.
How tiring it must be to be you. I sympathise.
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:25 - Dec 10 with 1155 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:21 - Dec 10 by StokieBlue |
One day you'll not analyse something to within an inch of it's life.
How tiring it must be to be you. I sympathise.
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Unlucky for you it has been discussed by pundits following the game. Imagine that. People discussing a moment in football that stopped us equalising the game for a 2nd time.
How tiring it must be for you to not like football discussions unless that suit your personal preference. I sympathise.
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:28 - Dec 10 with 1152 views | StokieBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:25 - Dec 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Unlucky for you it has been discussed by pundits following the game. Imagine that. People discussing a moment in football that stopped us equalising the game for a 2nd time.
How tiring it must be for you to not like football discussions unless that suit your personal preference. I sympathise.
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Please cite a previous World Cup quarter final when a team has changed their penalty taker for a second penalty after successfully converting the first and this has resulted in both penalties being scored.
The problem you have is that you don't consider evidence in a scientific way. You chuck everything at the wall then see what sticks and point at it as if you're an oracle.
It's pathetic.
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:32 - Dec 10 with 1133 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:28 - Dec 10 by StokieBlue |
Please cite a previous World Cup quarter final when a team has changed their penalty taker for a second penalty after successfully converting the first and this has resulted in both penalties being scored.
The problem you have is that you don't consider evidence in a scientific way. You chuck everything at the wall then see what sticks and point at it as if you're an oracle.
It's pathetic.
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As said it's an open discussion and one covered via different pundits themselves. So come at me again all you like but it's shows you for being you again which I sympathise with.
I don't personally know of a qf where there has been 2 awarded penalties to the same side. If you wish to share that would be a great contribution to the thread.
What's your scientific evidence that you wish to share?
Will add its a thought shared by many. Question being asked by others etc.
I look forward to you going online and going at everyone who dared to discuss such a thing. [Post edited 10 Dec 2022 22:39]
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:37 - Dec 10 with 1109 views | StokieBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:32 - Dec 10 by FrimleyBlue |
As said it's an open discussion and one covered via different pundits themselves. So come at me again all you like but it's shows you for being you again which I sympathise with.
I don't personally know of a qf where there has been 2 awarded penalties to the same side. If you wish to share that would be a great contribution to the thread.
What's your scientific evidence that you wish to share?
Will add its a thought shared by many. Question being asked by others etc.
I look forward to you going online and going at everyone who dared to discuss such a thing. [Post edited 10 Dec 2022 22:39]
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That's not how it works.
If you want to assert it's incorrect that Kane should take the second penalty then you need to provife the evidence, not point to others to do it for you.
I know this is hard for you, evidence based debate is something foreign to you. I'm just trying to educate you on the correct way to debate, something someone should have done a long time ago.
I await your evidence.
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:39 - Dec 10 with 1100 views | longtimefan |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:32 - Dec 10 by FrimleyBlue |
As said it's an open discussion and one covered via different pundits themselves. So come at me again all you like but it's shows you for being you again which I sympathise with.
I don't personally know of a qf where there has been 2 awarded penalties to the same side. If you wish to share that would be a great contribution to the thread.
What's your scientific evidence that you wish to share?
Will add its a thought shared by many. Question being asked by others etc.
I look forward to you going online and going at everyone who dared to discuss such a thing. [Post edited 10 Dec 2022 22:39]
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“I don't personally know of a qf where there has been 2 awarded penalties to the same side”
Well Gary Lineker against Cameroon comes to my mind as a rather well known example! |  | | |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:43 - Dec 10 with 1086 views | StokieBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:37 - Dec 10 by StokieBlue |
That's not how it works.
If you want to assert it's incorrect that Kane should take the second penalty then you need to provife the evidence, not point to others to do it for you.
I know this is hard for you, evidence based debate is something foreign to you. I'm just trying to educate you on the correct way to debate, something someone should have done a long time ago.
I await your evidence.
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Hilarious.
I get "abuse reported" and a downvote from officer Dibble for asking for evidence.
Everything that is wrong with this forum in microcosm*.
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*You might need to look that word up Bloots | | | |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:43 - Dec 10 with 1083 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:37 - Dec 10 by StokieBlue |
That's not how it works.
If you want to assert it's incorrect that Kane should take the second penalty then you need to provife the evidence, not point to others to do it for you.
I know this is hard for you, evidence based debate is something foreign to you. I'm just trying to educate you on the correct way to debate, something someone should have done a long time ago.
I await your evidence.
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So your telling people what can and can't be asked on a forum...
Can you please show where that is a problem on the forum terms and conditions.
In my OP I didn't ask for evidence based debate. It's a question on people's personal thoughts. I made it clear that it's lead with a question via the ? In my subject line.
I know you try to be personal as much as possible and you're hurting after an England loss. But your personal vendetta is concerning. | |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:44 - Dec 10 with 1076 views | BlueForYou |
Must admit I felt a tad shaky when Kane stepped up to take the second one, but thought he would just totally hammer it. Suppose the thing to do was to just roll it. Not easy under those circumstances. Difficult to criticise anyone. |  | | |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:46 - Dec 10 with 1070 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:39 - Dec 10 by longtimefan |
“I don't personally know of a qf where there has been 2 awarded penalties to the same side”
Well Gary Lineker against Cameroon comes to my mind as a rather well known example! |
Excellent thank you. Interesting to know.
I was 4 so explains why I don't remember that. Thanks for sharing an example. | |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:48 - Dec 10 with 1063 views | stonojnr |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:06 - Dec 10 by WicklowBlue |
Well how do you know if Kane was going to be caught in two minds unless he missed the second?
Anyways agreed it just wasn't to be...small margins etc thought England were the better side overall. |
because it felt even thousands of miles away from where he was putting the ball on the spot he was in two minds, because the routine with the extra check the ball was on the spot was different for the first one, that signalled indecision, and because he's facing a player he probably actually considers a good friend, not just a club team mate or even a rival, this is where sport is more in the mind than the physical, its where you second guess what you need to do, when you actually need to be clinical about it
1st penalty fair enough captains job, but I saw enough from that, Id have given 2nd penalty to someone else, I was certainly less than 50% confident Kane would score on the 2nd, even though he absolutely blasted the 1st one.
thats why those panenka takes are so amazing, youve got to be that confident youll score youll try that because youll look like a total idiot if it fails, yet they always go in when they do, because its as much about confidence as it is technique, Kane wasnt ever going for a Panenka. | | | |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:48 - Dec 10 with 1062 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:44 - Dec 10 by BlueForYou |
Must admit I felt a tad shaky when Kane stepped up to take the second one, but thought he would just totally hammer it. Suppose the thing to do was to just roll it. Not easy under those circumstances. Difficult to criticise anyone. |
Must admit I was expecting one straight down the middle. | |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:50 - Dec 10 with 1062 views | PhilTWTD |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:28 - Dec 10 by StokieBlue |
Please cite a previous World Cup quarter final when a team has changed their penalty taker for a second penalty after successfully converting the first and this has resulted in both penalties being scored.
The problem you have is that you don't consider evidence in a scientific way. You chuck everything at the wall then see what sticks and point at it as if you're an oracle.
It's pathetic.
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It's not that unusual for teams to change their penalty taker if they have two kicks in the same game. I seem to remember a manager insisting upon it, might have been Wenger. But I think it would have been impossible to take it off Kane in this instance, there would have been too much pressure on whoever had taken it instead and hell to pay if he'd missed it.
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:53 - Dec 10 with 1052 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:50 - Dec 10 by PhilTWTD |
It's not that unusual for teams to change their penalty taker if they have two kicks in the same game. I seem to remember a manager insisting upon it, might have been Wenger. But I think it would have been impossible to take it off Kane in this instance, there would have been too much pressure on whoever had taken it instead and hell to pay if he'd missed it.
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Certainly a big call to make... but you could say that's what makes potentially makes a cup winning manager over another. But that could also be harsh as we are talking about following up another scored pen.
Difficult one. | |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:58 - Dec 10 with 1045 views | PhilTWTD |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:53 - Dec 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Certainly a big call to make... but you could say that's what makes potentially makes a cup winning manager over another. But that could also be harsh as we are talking about following up another scored pen.
Difficult one. |
There must be stats somewhere showing whether it's more likely players miss their second penalty in the same game. Definitely something which appears to be the case. Also Loris would know more than most about Kane's penalty taking. | | | |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:05 - Dec 10 with 1018 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:32 - Dec 10 by FrimleyBlue |
As said it's an open discussion and one covered via different pundits themselves. So come at me again all you like but it's shows you for being you again which I sympathise with.
I don't personally know of a qf where there has been 2 awarded penalties to the same side. If you wish to share that would be a great contribution to the thread.
What's your scientific evidence that you wish to share?
Will add its a thought shared by many. Question being asked by others etc.
I look forward to you going online and going at everyone who dared to discuss such a thing. [Post edited 10 Dec 2022 22:39]
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Tweets are not the stuff of science. He wants real evidence from peer reviewed studies in credible football journals. Until you can provide genuine evidence-based data following the scientific method, we don't want to see your lazy questions on this forum. We're sick of the dangerous misinformation that gets spread under the guise of Just Asking Questions.
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Sorry Stokie, I couldn't resist.
It's just a bit of fun. [Post edited 10 Dec 2022 23:19]
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:07 - Dec 10 with 1011 views | GlasgowBlue |
I think it’s a fair question because there are so many factors coming into play with the second penalty. First, does he change where he aims for. Second, it’s his club colleague so will know how his mind works.
However, it’s also a brave decision to take it off a Kane. And one that could go horribly wrong if the second taker misses.
I must admit, I wasn’t confident when Harry Kane went up. I expected the keeper to save it though, not for a Harry to sky it. I’d say that he definitely over thought it. |  |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:07 - Dec 10 with 1009 views | Ryorry |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:58 - Dec 10 by PhilTWTD |
There must be stats somewhere showing whether it's more likely players miss their second penalty in the same game. Definitely something which appears to be the case. Also Loris would know more than most about Kane's penalty taking. |
Interestingly, Kane said something in a pre-match interview about him & Lloris not usually facing each other in training, Harry practises more against Spurs second & 3rd choice keepers.
Though he'd still know more than most about Harry's penalty taking of course! |  |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:08 - Dec 10 with 1011 views | PhilTWTD |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:58 - Dec 10 by PhilTWTD |
There must be stats somewhere showing whether it's more likely players miss their second penalty in the same game. Definitely something which appears to be the case. Also Loris would know more than most about Kane's penalty taking. |
Kane talking about the penalties and whether the first impacted the second here.
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:16 - Dec 10 with 992 views | SitfcB |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:21 - Dec 10 by StokieBlue |
One day you'll not analyse something to within an inch of it's life.
How tiring it must be to be you. I sympathise.
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It’s a pretty common football discussion, some teams would change if there’s a second penalty on the same game and do think that is sometimes the correct call.
However if you change and then they miss they say ‘he should have taken it again’.
I think on this occasion it should’ve been a different taker, the first penalty was pressurised enough due to the face Kane was facing his teammate. |  |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:19 - Dec 10 with 983 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:16 - Dec 10 by SitfcB |
It’s a pretty common football discussion, some teams would change if there’s a second penalty on the same game and do think that is sometimes the correct call.
However if you change and then they miss they say ‘he should have taken it again’.
I think on this occasion it should’ve been a different taker, the first penalty was pressurised enough due to the face Kane was facing his teammate. |
He's gone quiet. Don't think the threads gone how he wanted it to go. | |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:21 - Dec 10 with 978 views | StokieBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 22:50 - Dec 10 by PhilTWTD |
It's not that unusual for teams to change their penalty taker if they have two kicks in the same game. I seem to remember a manager insisting upon it, might have been Wenger. But I think it would have been impossible to take it off Kane in this instance, there would have been too much pressure on whoever had taken it instead and hell to pay if he'd missed it.
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So the premise of the thread is impossible in your opinion?
I'm yet to see actual evidence of a team changing penalty takers in the highly pressurised situation of a world cup quarter final.
A Saturday match against Grimsby is different but I've not seen any evidence of that either.
Phil, can you clarify if asking for evidence is picking fights with other posters as blueas (serial offender) has implied?
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:21 - Dec 10 with 972 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:08 - Dec 10 by PhilTWTD |
Kane talking about the penalties and whether the first impacted the second here.
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He's a good lad Kane. So close with that first half shot too. 3 inches higher and that was in | |
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| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:23 - Dec 10 with 965 views | Stewart27 |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 21:34 - Dec 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Not what most seem to be saying after
Different run up. Changed the way he hit it etc etc.
Correct he missed it. But why is imo because he shouldn't have taken it. |
Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
He comfortably scored the first. He’s our penalty taker and if they’d have given it to anybody else I’d be fuming.
But captain hindsight comes along….. | | | |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:25 - Dec 10 with 991 views | StokieBlue |
| Is that a reason you should always change taker? on 23:05 - Dec 10 by Cafe_Newman |
Tweets are not the stuff of science. He wants real evidence from peer reviewed studies in credible football journals. Until you can provide genuine evidence-based data following the scientific method, we don't want to see your lazy questions on this forum. We're sick of the dangerous misinformation that gets spread under the guise of Just Asking Questions.
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Sorry Stokie, I couldn't resist.
It's just a bit of fun. [Post edited 10 Dec 2022 23:19]
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When you can be bothered to respond on the vaccine thread then maybe I'll take an interest in what you say with regards to evidence based debate.
Until then, you're as pointless as Frimley.
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