| More of this says Starmer. on 19:01 - Jan 15 with 1569 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| More of this says Starmer. on 18:30 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe he’s taking a lead out of the Joe Biden playbook? Campaign as a moderate, govern as a progressive.
Starmer has to overturn a Tory majority of 80 and recover from the worst result for Labour since the 1920’s. To do so he needs to detoxify Labour after the Corbyn years and win over 4 million people who voted Tory in 2019.
Labour currently has a lead of around 25% over the Tories. I’d say Starmer is playing a blinder. |
They didn't vote Tory, they voted 'Brexit!'
Can you highlight Biden's progressive social policies for me as I don't pay much attention. |  |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 19:13 - Jan 15 with 1531 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 18:30 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe he’s taking a lead out of the Joe Biden playbook? Campaign as a moderate, govern as a progressive.
Starmer has to overturn a Tory majority of 80 and recover from the worst result for Labour since the 1920’s. To do so he needs to detoxify Labour after the Corbyn years and win over 4 million people who voted Tory in 2019.
Labour currently has a lead of around 25% over the Tories. I’d say Starmer is playing a blinder. |
You could also call it the Blair playbook when, because of fear of losing, Labour committed to Tory spending plans for the first few years of the New Labour government, when it could clearly have been much more radical given lifelong Tories I know had given up on the party completely.
The thing is that Blair had the passion and oratory to make up for the fact that the "five pledges" didn't really amount to a can of beans. Starmer doesn't have that, and my concern is that he is only really ahead in the polls because of the disaster of Johnson and in particular Truss.
The problem is that if it is not clear what you stand for, and you don't have Blair's personality, going into an election without any clear position of where you stand is not a particularly good selling point, especially as I think support for Labour is not that solid and things may be different if, as seems likely, we get through the cost of living crisis.
And just because, say, the Mail has a campaign against GPs (in an attempt to take the blame off the Tories for the failings of the NHS), I think it is completely wrong for Labour to follow suit, assuming it doesn't want a mass exodus of GPs.
The problem is that Labour appears desperate to say it has moved on from Corbynism, when it seems to me that some of the issues Corbyn supported, as opposed to Corbyn himself, were in fact popular.
Finally you repeat the mantra that Labour under Corbyn had the worst result since 1920 but that was only in terms of seats, and was because of the loss of seats in Scotland. In terms of share of the vote, Labour got a higher percentage than Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015, and that was without many votes in Scotland. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 19:15]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 19:32 - Jan 15 with 1510 views | gazzer1999 |
| More of this says Starmer. on 19:13 - Jan 15 by DJR |
You could also call it the Blair playbook when, because of fear of losing, Labour committed to Tory spending plans for the first few years of the New Labour government, when it could clearly have been much more radical given lifelong Tories I know had given up on the party completely.
The thing is that Blair had the passion and oratory to make up for the fact that the "five pledges" didn't really amount to a can of beans. Starmer doesn't have that, and my concern is that he is only really ahead in the polls because of the disaster of Johnson and in particular Truss.
The problem is that if it is not clear what you stand for, and you don't have Blair's personality, going into an election without any clear position of where you stand is not a particularly good selling point, especially as I think support for Labour is not that solid and things may be different if, as seems likely, we get through the cost of living crisis.
And just because, say, the Mail has a campaign against GPs (in an attempt to take the blame off the Tories for the failings of the NHS), I think it is completely wrong for Labour to follow suit, assuming it doesn't want a mass exodus of GPs.
The problem is that Labour appears desperate to say it has moved on from Corbynism, when it seems to me that some of the issues Corbyn supported, as opposed to Corbyn himself, were in fact popular.
Finally you repeat the mantra that Labour under Corbyn had the worst result since 1920 but that was only in terms of seats, and was because of the loss of seats in Scotland. In terms of share of the vote, Labour got a higher percentage than Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015, and that was without many votes in Scotland. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 19:15]
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Haven't most GP practices been essentially privatised and run that way having a budget from the government/NHS. I know that is how it seems with my GP, lots of partners now looking at the old Tooks site to build a mega practice, just getting funding to setup and run it. |  | | |
| More of this says Starmer. on 19:42 - Jan 15 with 1493 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 19:13 - Jan 15 by DJR |
You could also call it the Blair playbook when, because of fear of losing, Labour committed to Tory spending plans for the first few years of the New Labour government, when it could clearly have been much more radical given lifelong Tories I know had given up on the party completely.
The thing is that Blair had the passion and oratory to make up for the fact that the "five pledges" didn't really amount to a can of beans. Starmer doesn't have that, and my concern is that he is only really ahead in the polls because of the disaster of Johnson and in particular Truss.
The problem is that if it is not clear what you stand for, and you don't have Blair's personality, going into an election without any clear position of where you stand is not a particularly good selling point, especially as I think support for Labour is not that solid and things may be different if, as seems likely, we get through the cost of living crisis.
And just because, say, the Mail has a campaign against GPs (in an attempt to take the blame off the Tories for the failings of the NHS), I think it is completely wrong for Labour to follow suit, assuming it doesn't want a mass exodus of GPs.
The problem is that Labour appears desperate to say it has moved on from Corbynism, when it seems to me that some of the issues Corbyn supported, as opposed to Corbyn himself, were in fact popular.
Finally you repeat the mantra that Labour under Corbyn had the worst result since 1920 but that was only in terms of seats, and was because of the loss of seats in Scotland. In terms of share of the vote, Labour got a higher percentage than Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015, and that was without many votes in Scotland. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 19:15]
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For a party trying to appear moderate, it does seem odd that the only specific policy I am aware of is the removal of the VAT exemption for private schools.
That seems to me very controversial, and something which will be used by the Tories to say that it is part of a class war.
All in all it is puzzling what the thinking is, but I don't think it helps that Starmer himself doesn't appear to have any political nous, given his lack of a political background. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 19:44]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 21:13 - Jan 15 with 1431 views | HARRY10 |
| More of this says Starmer. on 19:13 - Jan 15 by DJR |
You could also call it the Blair playbook when, because of fear of losing, Labour committed to Tory spending plans for the first few years of the New Labour government, when it could clearly have been much more radical given lifelong Tories I know had given up on the party completely.
The thing is that Blair had the passion and oratory to make up for the fact that the "five pledges" didn't really amount to a can of beans. Starmer doesn't have that, and my concern is that he is only really ahead in the polls because of the disaster of Johnson and in particular Truss.
The problem is that if it is not clear what you stand for, and you don't have Blair's personality, going into an election without any clear position of where you stand is not a particularly good selling point, especially as I think support for Labour is not that solid and things may be different if, as seems likely, we get through the cost of living crisis.
And just because, say, the Mail has a campaign against GPs (in an attempt to take the blame off the Tories for the failings of the NHS), I think it is completely wrong for Labour to follow suit, assuming it doesn't want a mass exodus of GPs.
The problem is that Labour appears desperate to say it has moved on from Corbynism, when it seems to me that some of the issues Corbyn supported, as opposed to Corbyn himself, were in fact popular.
Finally you repeat the mantra that Labour under Corbyn had the worst result since 1920 but that was only in terms of seats, and was because of the loss of seats in Scotland. In terms of share of the vote, Labour got a higher percentage than Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015, and that was without many votes in Scotland. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 19:15]
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Dowe think that Starmer is biding his time, well aware that if he reveals his hand too early the Tories will merely adopt Labours policies ?
Or is it that Labour has been dealt four aces with May, Johnson Truss and Sunak. Three committed to fcking the country up because of their adherence to brexit, so are happy to sit on their hands and watch.
Any thought that the country will be back to normal once inflation subsides is living in cloud cuckoo land. There are around 800,000 morgage payers coming off fixed deals of below 2%, who will see their new rate starting at 5.8%.
Those who have been subsidising their monthly budget using debt will eventually find that source drying up. And as the drop in spending hits retailers and producers alike there will be job losses.
These aren't vague predictions, just the inevitable consequence of what is already happening. The only question is by how much.
It is likened to the Blitz. Many were killed and many were saved by being in air raid shelters/the underground. The real damage was understood/felt when they surfaced, in the dayight and took stock of the devastation.
It is set to get worse than ever it is now. |  | | |
| More of this says Starmer. on 21:50 - Jan 15 with 1435 views | GlasgowBlue |
| More of this says Starmer. on 18:48 - Jan 15 by Herbivore |
I guess it depends on whether you think politics is basically like football and it's all about getting your team to win, or whether you think it should be about making the country better. I've given Starmer the benefit of the doubt but now Labour are actually starting to put forward 'ideas' they are very uninspiring and amount to essentially more of the same. |
Politics is about getting in power so you can enact the changes you believe are needed to improve the country.
Winning the argument but losing the election improves nothing. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 21:53]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 22:06 - Jan 15 with 1424 views | Herbivore |
| More of this says Starmer. on 21:50 - Jan 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Politics is about getting in power so you can enact the changes you believe are needed to improve the country.
Winning the argument but losing the election improves nothing. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 21:53]
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It shouldn't be an either/or. The state of the country after 12 years of the Tories, it should be easy to win both the argument and the next GE. So far he's essentially pledging more of the same, which nobody seriously thinks is what the country needs. If the grand plan is to then make sweeping progressive changes, it's not a very honest strategy, but I doubt that is the strategy to be fair. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 22:09]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 22:13 - Jan 15 with 1382 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| More of this says Starmer. on 18:43 - Jan 15 by gazzer1999 |
Nothing to choose between the 2 main parties really. The NHS should be taken away from politics and be run independently like the Bank of England, totally fed up with it being used as a political football. |
The issue is far more with funding than how it is run. The private ownership is a red herring and one that is most likely to be more expensive in the long run too. |  |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 23:19 - Jan 15 with 1335 views | Ryorry |
| More of this says Starmer. on 19:13 - Jan 15 by DJR |
You could also call it the Blair playbook when, because of fear of losing, Labour committed to Tory spending plans for the first few years of the New Labour government, when it could clearly have been much more radical given lifelong Tories I know had given up on the party completely.
The thing is that Blair had the passion and oratory to make up for the fact that the "five pledges" didn't really amount to a can of beans. Starmer doesn't have that, and my concern is that he is only really ahead in the polls because of the disaster of Johnson and in particular Truss.
The problem is that if it is not clear what you stand for, and you don't have Blair's personality, going into an election without any clear position of where you stand is not a particularly good selling point, especially as I think support for Labour is not that solid and things may be different if, as seems likely, we get through the cost of living crisis.
And just because, say, the Mail has a campaign against GPs (in an attempt to take the blame off the Tories for the failings of the NHS), I think it is completely wrong for Labour to follow suit, assuming it doesn't want a mass exodus of GPs.
The problem is that Labour appears desperate to say it has moved on from Corbynism, when it seems to me that some of the issues Corbyn supported, as opposed to Corbyn himself, were in fact popular.
Finally you repeat the mantra that Labour under Corbyn had the worst result since 1920 but that was only in terms of seats, and was because of the loss of seats in Scotland. In terms of share of the vote, Labour got a higher percentage than Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015, and that was without many votes in Scotland. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 19:15]
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Couldn't agree more, & I've defended & supported KS up till now.
He's already losing core Labour voters hand over fist, esp younger ones from what I've seen on twitter.
He needs clear policies now, delivered with passion, re getting the country actually functioning again by supporting services - the NHS, its staff, other key workers, key infrastructure such as public transport - not to mention PR, relationships with the EU etc.
I've been saying for some time that I seriously think it'd be far better for Labour if Angela Rayner & he swapped roles - she's far more suited to being the front-person, & him to being the statesman-like one backing her up.
*Edited for grammar [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 23:21]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 07:34 - Jan 16 with 1237 views | Darth_Koont |
| More of this says Starmer. on 14:15 - Jan 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Is it that, or is it trying to deprive the Tories of their easy traditional attacks by not seeming to be ‘red’ and also trying win over the lost red wall and Mail reading voters? Whatever he’s doing, he needs to be careful as he’ll lose core Labour support at this rate. |
Unfortunately, no. This is the same right-wing Labour Party that was throwing sh1t-fits because of social democracy between 2015-2019.
These are not progressives. They are neoliberals (or at least lacking the vision to look beyond that) looking to shore up the left flank of the establishment and get paid.
For a country that’s got itself in the state it has over the the past couple of decades, we should be a lot more worried about the absence of genuine political debate and alternative policies. |  |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 08:10 - Jan 16 with 1214 views | GlasgowBlue |
| More of this says Starmer. on 22:06 - Jan 15 by Herbivore |
It shouldn't be an either/or. The state of the country after 12 years of the Tories, it should be easy to win both the argument and the next GE. So far he's essentially pledging more of the same, which nobody seriously thinks is what the country needs. If the grand plan is to then make sweeping progressive changes, it's not a very honest strategy, but I doubt that is the strategy to be fair. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 22:09]
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Whether it should be or not, therm’s the facts. In order to win an election you have to win over the people who voted for the other lot the last time.
People seem to be moaning about a bloke who is 25 points in the lead.
In 2017 Theresa May had a similar lead going into the election. The stories had just won the local government elections by a margin that if replicated a few weeks later, would have given her a majority of 100+.
She and her advisers gambled that her lead was so strong that she could be radical and upset a percentage of her voter base by introducing the ‘Dementia Tax’ in her manifesto and still win by a decent margin. It backfired.
Starmer would be mad to go off the course he has taken. | |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 08:21 - Jan 16 with 1202 views | Herbivore |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:10 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Whether it should be or not, therm’s the facts. In order to win an election you have to win over the people who voted for the other lot the last time.
People seem to be moaning about a bloke who is 25 points in the lead.
In 2017 Theresa May had a similar lead going into the election. The stories had just won the local government elections by a margin that if replicated a few weeks later, would have given her a majority of 100+.
She and her advisers gambled that her lead was so strong that she could be radical and upset a percentage of her voter base by introducing the ‘Dementia Tax’ in her manifesto and still win by a decent margin. It backfired.
Starmer would be mad to go off the course he has taken. |
The course he has taken has mainly been to let the Tories implode and not say anything to upset Brexit voters. That's been about the extent of it. Now we're getting closer to a GE there needs to be some direction but all we're getting from him is more of the same with some minor tinkering at the edges. It's uninspiring and unlikely to address the issues we face.
I don't mean this to sound horrible, genuinely, but the fact you - fairly recently a Tory member - would vote for Starmer and his Labour party tells me that they aren't a party offering a vision that I can really get behind. The big lead gives them the opportunity to actually put forward a positive vision, but they aren't doing that and look increasingly unlikely to ever do so. Being a bit less evil than the Tories should be the starting point, not the entire manifesto. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 8:30]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 08:36 - Jan 16 with 1169 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 07:34 - Jan 16 by Darth_Koont |
Unfortunately, no. This is the same right-wing Labour Party that was throwing sh1t-fits because of social democracy between 2015-2019.
These are not progressives. They are neoliberals (or at least lacking the vision to look beyond that) looking to shore up the left flank of the establishment and get paid.
For a country that’s got itself in the state it has over the the past couple of decades, we should be a lot more worried about the absence of genuine political debate and alternative policies. |
I couldn't have put it better myself. | | | |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:47 - Jan 16 with 1161 views | itfcjoe |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:21 - Jan 16 by Herbivore |
The course he has taken has mainly been to let the Tories implode and not say anything to upset Brexit voters. That's been about the extent of it. Now we're getting closer to a GE there needs to be some direction but all we're getting from him is more of the same with some minor tinkering at the edges. It's uninspiring and unlikely to address the issues we face.
I don't mean this to sound horrible, genuinely, but the fact you - fairly recently a Tory member - would vote for Starmer and his Labour party tells me that they aren't a party offering a vision that I can really get behind. The big lead gives them the opportunity to actually put forward a positive vision, but they aren't doing that and look increasingly unlikely to ever do so. Being a bit less evil than the Tories should be the starting point, not the entire manifesto. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 8:30]
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Think/hope some of the policies announced over this year will be more radical and progressive (following on from energy plans which are actually very good and detailed) but there is a fear that there is a big poll lead but it's built on sand somewhat - from my reading a lot of "don't know/won't vote" are from a demographic that largely voted Tory last time and when push comes to shove they will put their cross in a box.
I do think some of the commentary after the last election has been forgotten though, with Labour nowhere close to Tories (despite increasing vote shares in inner cities) and most expected the Tories to be in power for 10 years no questions asked as a minimum - that was a lot to turn round and it has been done so (by both sides).
Labour needed to detoxify itself from the Corbyn project, the Tories needed to from the ERG - only one party has managed that but it is now up to them to show some ambition rather than fear |  |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 08:48 - Jan 16 with 1150 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 14:15 - Jan 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Is it that, or is it trying to deprive the Tories of their easy traditional attacks by not seeming to be ‘red’ and also trying win over the lost red wall and Mail reading voters? Whatever he’s doing, he needs to be careful as he’ll lose core Labour support at this rate. |
Part of the attack on GPs includes proposals to allow patients to refer themselves for treatment. This is bonkers but seems a desperate attempt to appeal to Mail readers, and just look at the Mail reaction today.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/404C/production/_128306461_croppedma
Labour just shouldn't be going down this route, but with people like Wes Streeting about, I do think there is little difference from the Tories on ideological grounds. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 8:51]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 08:53 - Jan 16 with 1132 views | itfcjoe |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:48 - Jan 16 by DJR |
Part of the attack on GPs includes proposals to allow patients to refer themselves for treatment. This is bonkers but seems a desperate attempt to appeal to Mail readers, and just look at the Mail reaction today.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/404C/production/_128306461_croppedma
Labour just shouldn't be going down this route, but with people like Wes Streeting about, I do think there is little difference from the Tories on ideological grounds. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 8:51]
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Whatever a party needs to do to stop the ludicrous sit on phone at 8am system and pray you are there early enough and you get a call back from GP will be a vote winner | |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 08:54 - Jan 16 with 1131 views | GlasgowBlue |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:21 - Jan 16 by Herbivore |
The course he has taken has mainly been to let the Tories implode and not say anything to upset Brexit voters. That's been about the extent of it. Now we're getting closer to a GE there needs to be some direction but all we're getting from him is more of the same with some minor tinkering at the edges. It's uninspiring and unlikely to address the issues we face.
I don't mean this to sound horrible, genuinely, but the fact you - fairly recently a Tory member - would vote for Starmer and his Labour party tells me that they aren't a party offering a vision that I can really get behind. The big lead gives them the opportunity to actually put forward a positive vision, but they aren't doing that and look increasingly unlikely to ever do so. Being a bit less evil than the Tories should be the starting point, not the entire manifesto. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 8:30]
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But I would vote Starmer based more on my dislike of the direction that the Tory party has taken than a conversion that would see me desire a socialist utopia.
Taking aside my belief that the Tories have to lose the next election and spend a decade if reflection and reinvention fur their own good, I am not concerned about voting for Starmer. In 2019 I couldn’t vote Tory and I couldn’t vote Labour.
Labour need votes from Tory scum like me in order to win the next election. Just as Blair needed them in 1997. | |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 09:01 - Jan 16 with 1110 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:53 - Jan 16 by itfcjoe |
Whatever a party needs to do to stop the ludicrous sit on phone at 8am system and pray you are there early enough and you get a call back from GP will be a vote winner |
That's true, but I don't think antagonising GPs is the answer given there are many in their 50s who have the wherewithal to retire early, particularly given the harsh pension provisions which affect them
And many may do that if they think a Labour government sees them as a problem
The other factor in all this is that there are many junior doctors or doctors in training (whether or not GPs) who have the option to go off to places like Australia if they don't feel either party supports them, particularly given the hell it must be to work in the NHS these days. And polls suggest many are contemplating this. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:08]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 09:03 - Jan 16 with 1104 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 08:54 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue |
But I would vote Starmer based more on my dislike of the direction that the Tory party has taken than a conversion that would see me desire a socialist utopia.
Taking aside my belief that the Tories have to lose the next election and spend a decade if reflection and reinvention fur their own good, I am not concerned about voting for Starmer. In 2019 I couldn’t vote Tory and I couldn’t vote Labour.
Labour need votes from Tory scum like me in order to win the next election. Just as Blair needed them in 1997. |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 09:53 - Jan 16 with 1079 views | GlasgowBlue |
| More of this says Starmer. on 09:03 - Jan 16 by DJR |
Did you vote for the SNP? |
Christ no! I was stupid enough to vote Brexit and cut us off from our biggest and closest trading partners. I’m not stupid enough to do it again. I didn't vote in 2019.
I can’t help but feel that sone of you want Starmer to sign Faustino Asprilla. | |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 10:30 - Jan 16 with 1042 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 09:53 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Christ no! I was stupid enough to vote Brexit and cut us off from our biggest and closest trading partners. I’m not stupid enough to do it again. I didn't vote in 2019.
I can’t help but feel that sone of you want Starmer to sign Faustino Asprilla. |
I was only joking!
As regards Starmer, I have an interest in what goes on in the Labour Party, being a member since 1985, and I am troubled by the fact that, in an attempt to distance themselves from Corbyn, they no longer seem to be a democratic socialist party, which is what it says on my membership card.
Ultimately my politics are rooted in the social democratic post-war consensus which existed until 1979, and in my view still holds sway to a large extent in the more successful European countries, which believe in things like decent healthcare, welfare and public transport, and are prepared to pay for it, and are less beholden to things like privatisation or the obsession with tax cuts. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 10:31]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 12:02 - Jan 16 with 1008 views | DJR |
| More of this says Starmer. on 23:19 - Jan 15 by Ryorry |
Couldn't agree more, & I've defended & supported KS up till now.
He's already losing core Labour voters hand over fist, esp younger ones from what I've seen on twitter.
He needs clear policies now, delivered with passion, re getting the country actually functioning again by supporting services - the NHS, its staff, other key workers, key infrastructure such as public transport - not to mention PR, relationships with the EU etc.
I've been saying for some time that I seriously think it'd be far better for Labour if Angela Rayner & he swapped roles - she's far more suited to being the front-person, & him to being the statesman-like one backing her up.
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What you say about young voters is alarming, especially as they may already be less inclined to register to vote, and may well not be bothered to overcome the ID obstacles to voting that the Tories have put in place.
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| More of this says Starmer. on 12:24 - Jan 16 with 994 views | DJR |
This, hot off the press from the Guardian, hits the nail on the head when it comes to Starmer.
At her news conference, asked about Keir Starmer’s claim that the SNP and the Tories are both exploiting the gender recognition bill for partisan advantage, Nicola Sturgeon said that this had only become a constitutional issue because Westminster was refusing to accept the right of the Scottish parliament to legislate on a matter within its own competence. She went on: “So, if anybody is trying to use it politically, it’s those Westminster politicians.”
She pointed out that most Labour MSPs voted for the bill. And she said the Scottish government accepted an amendment, from Labour, saying the bill would not affect the Equality Act. So Starmer needed to understand this was not just an SNP bill, she said; it was legislation backed by a large number of MSPs.
Sturgeon also said that she found Starmer’s comments on the NHS in his interview with Laura Kuenssberg yesterday “pretty dispiriting”.
She claimed that some of what he was saying was “quite dangerous”, because he implied people with serious conditions should not consult their GP, or should bypass their GP. She said Starmer may have intended to say something different.
And she said Starmer should be committing to invest more in the NHS, and to reverse Brexit, to address the staffing problem in the health service. She went on:
"Keir Starmer needs to stop trying to be a pale imitation of the Tory government he’s seeking to replace, and actually start offering some positive alternative."
EDIT: I don't intend this post as an opportunity to re-open the gender recognition debate, which has proved toxic on the forum in recent weeks. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 12:27]
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| More of this says Starmer. on 12:33 - Jan 16 with 977 views | Ryorry |
| More of this says Starmer. on 12:02 - Jan 16 by DJR |
What you say about young voters is alarming, especially as they may already be less inclined to register to vote, and may well not be bothered to overcome the ID obstacles to voting that the Tories have put in place.
Love him or loathe him, Corbyn did enthuse younger voters, not least because of his policies. |
Nothing wrong with most of those policies, couple of silly ones but I think the main problem was them being presented all at once in the manifesto, looked like a bit of a scary overload for voters who needed to be wooed.
Tories sure knew what they were doing with ID, not to mention boundary 'adjustments'. Typically sly, morally bankrupt self-preservation.
Agree with you in your following post too (re Sturgeon's comments). | |
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| More of this says Starmer. on 13:47 - Jan 16 with 923 views | Darth_Koont |
Strange downvotes.
If anyone can give me another politician (apart from Johnson) who has gone back on his word as much and in as many areas as Starmer then I’m all ears. Starmer clearly thinks words and even leadership pledges are entirely disposable.
If people are fine with that, then you’ve got the politics you deserve. | |
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