| Time for a change against Morecambe 17:35 - Jan 21 with 3207 views | pointofblue |
Walton
Clarke - Woolfenden - Burgess
Burns - Morsy - Evans - Davis
Chaplin
Ladapo - Broadhead
Go back to three at the back to flood the middle and two up top. Ladapo's best form has been with a striking partner and Broadhead looked lively when coming on.
Edit - misspelt the title. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 17:44]
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:55 - Jan 21 with 794 views | StokieBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:51 - Jan 21 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It has. We have been missing chances. We don't put the games into the bed. We just keep trying to walk with the ball into the net. Teams are just sussing us out. So if anything that is strange it's you. |
I didn't call you strange, I called the opinion strange.
We are amongst the highest scorers in all the leagues, scoring isn't really the issue here, conceding poor goals is the issue.
The style of football is great and works going forward. You seem to want something more direct yet constantly complained about MM's directness. That's also a strange opinion given that.
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:56 - Jan 21 with 780 views | StokieBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:54 - Jan 21 by 3_5_2 |
Good point. Well presented.
Still play 353 tho
Where is his best position ? |
353 would be lovely!
But assuming you want to play 352 then I don't really think we have the players to do that. You could do 3412 with Broadhead in behind the forwards but I am not really sure why we need to mess about with the forward positions when we are high scorers.
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:57 - Jan 21 with 772 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:54 - Jan 21 by 3_5_2 |
Good point. Well presented.
Still play 353 tho
Where is his best position ? |
It's a valid point from SB but slightly off.
We paid 1.5 for davis historically a CB and we play him as fullback.
We also brought in ladapo. Historically played in a 2 but played as a lone striker all season.
We also have a striker in Chaplin who still is being played as a 10. |  |
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:02 - Jan 22 with 743 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:55 - Jan 21 by StokieBlue |
I didn't call you strange, I called the opinion strange.
We are amongst the highest scorers in all the leagues, scoring isn't really the issue here, conceding poor goals is the issue.
The style of football is great and works going forward. You seem to want something more direct yet constantly complained about MM's directness. That's also a strange opinion given that.
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Scoring is an issue. We don't put the games into the bed. I do repeat it for you.
The style of football is pathetic it regards to what happens in this league. We try to be a Barcelona/Man City of this league. Cheltenhams and Fleetwoods of this league have mostly been able to cope with it.
I'm sure Paul Warne would love to play us in the play-offs where we likely are going to land up. We have only one style, one formation and he should know how to deal with it. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:03]
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:08 - Jan 22 with 709 views | Herbivore |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:51 - Jan 21 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It has. We have been missing chances. We don't put the games into the bed. We just keep trying to walk with the ball into the net. Teams are just sussing us out. So if anything that is strange it's you. |
To miss chances you have to create them. We create lots. If teams are sussing us out it's weird that they're just letting us have lots of good chances, that's not much of a game plan. |  |
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:09 - Jan 22 with 703 views | pointofblue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:02 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Scoring is an issue. We don't put the games into the bed. I do repeat it for you.
The style of football is pathetic it regards to what happens in this league. We try to be a Barcelona/Man City of this league. Cheltenhams and Fleetwoods of this league have mostly been able to cope with it.
I'm sure Paul Warne would love to play us in the play-offs where we likely are going to land up. We have only one style, one formation and he should know how to deal with it. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:03]
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To justify the point, defensively we have a similar record to Wednesday and Plymouth at home - we've conceded 10 from 13, they've both let in 11 from 14.
Plymouth have scored six more goals than we have and Wednesday have netted eight more.
Away from home, we've conceded the same number of goals at Plymouth having played a game less. There's a huge eleven goal difference between us and Wednesday, however (18 by us, just seven by them).
Interestingly, going forward, we've scored 26 to Wednesday's 16 and Plymouth's 22. So, attacking wise, we're better away from home but our defence is weaker. | |
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:19 - Jan 22 with 692 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:09 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
To justify the point, defensively we have a similar record to Wednesday and Plymouth at home - we've conceded 10 from 13, they've both let in 11 from 14.
Plymouth have scored six more goals than we have and Wednesday have netted eight more.
Away from home, we've conceded the same number of goals at Plymouth having played a game less. There's a huge eleven goal difference between us and Wednesday, however (18 by us, just seven by them).
Interestingly, going forward, we've scored 26 to Wednesday's 16 and Plymouth's 22. So, attacking wise, we're better away from home but our defence is weaker. |
'our defence is weaker'.
Our defence is terrible. The problem is that:
1. You cannot say a bad word about Woolfenden as he is utterly free of criticism for some. Just because he can carry the ball. His main job is to defend us and be tough but he is a molly.
2. Donacien.....hmmm, people have suddenly started doubting him following Clarke's arrival.
3. Burgess/Edmundson.......the main divide between people. Lets be honest, form is temporary and class is permanent and Burgess will always be an Accrington Stanley quality with no disrespect to them.
Not putting the games into the bed has been our big problem too. So we haven't been scoring enough. Simple. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:20]
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:26 - Jan 22 with 680 views | pointofblue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:19 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
'our defence is weaker'.
Our defence is terrible. The problem is that:
1. You cannot say a bad word about Woolfenden as he is utterly free of criticism for some. Just because he can carry the ball. His main job is to defend us and be tough but he is a molly.
2. Donacien.....hmmm, people have suddenly started doubting him following Clarke's arrival.
3. Burgess/Edmundson.......the main divide between people. Lets be honest, form is temporary and class is permanent and Burgess will always be an Accrington Stanley quality with no disrespect to them.
Not putting the games into the bed has been our big problem too. So we haven't been scoring enough. Simple. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:20]
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Woolfenden isn't free of critcism. He made a complete shambles of the first today but out of him, Walton, Donacien, Burgess and Davis I'd say he's least to blame for the majority of goals this season - not that he hasn't made mistakes. He needs to become more streetwise and he either needs more muscle or be coached into using the strength he has more.
Even a limping Donacien is better than KVY defensively but he has gone off the boil of late, not helped by injury. Clarke's arrival should hopefully give him a break to fully recover.
Edmundson was dropped for poor form. Maybe it's time for Burgess to get the same treatment and give Edmundson another go. BUT, as I said, if we do it needs to be in a back three (or replacing Woolfenden). I don't think a simple Edmundson for Burgess switch but retaining a back four will improve matters. | |
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:27 - Jan 22 with 679 views | StokieBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:57 - Jan 21 by FrimleyBlue |
It's a valid point from SB but slightly off.
We paid 1.5 for davis historically a CB and we play him as fullback.
We also brought in ladapo. Historically played in a 2 but played as a lone striker all season.
We also have a striker in Chaplin who still is being played as a 10. |
"Davis predominantly plays as a left back. He was converted by Carlos Corberán to also play as a centre back.[20] Davis describes his style as a "a modern-day, attacking left-back".
So he was always a LB, was asked to play CB a few times and sees himself as an attacking LB. Please stop saying he's historically a CB as it's incorrect and there is no way we bought him as a CB in order to play him LB as you are continually implying.
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:30 - Jan 22 with 672 views | StokieBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:02 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Scoring is an issue. We don't put the games into the bed. I do repeat it for you.
The style of football is pathetic it regards to what happens in this league. We try to be a Barcelona/Man City of this league. Cheltenhams and Fleetwoods of this league have mostly been able to cope with it.
I'm sure Paul Warne would love to play us in the play-offs where we likely are going to land up. We have only one style, one formation and he should know how to deal with it. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:03]
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So, in summary:
- Our current passing style is "pathetic".
- Our more direct style under MM was also pathetic.
I'm not exactly sure what you want, you seem to want the opposite of whatever the current team is playing.
SB [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 0:31]
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:34 - Jan 22 with 663 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:26 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
Woolfenden isn't free of critcism. He made a complete shambles of the first today but out of him, Walton, Donacien, Burgess and Davis I'd say he's least to blame for the majority of goals this season - not that he hasn't made mistakes. He needs to become more streetwise and he either needs more muscle or be coached into using the strength he has more.
Even a limping Donacien is better than KVY defensively but he has gone off the boil of late, not helped by injury. Clarke's arrival should hopefully give him a break to fully recover.
Edmundson was dropped for poor form. Maybe it's time for Burgess to get the same treatment and give Edmundson another go. BUT, as I said, if we do it needs to be in a back three (or replacing Woolfenden). I don't think a simple Edmundson for Burgess switch but retaining a back four will improve matters. |
Luke Woolfenden needs to become more streetwise and he either needs more muscle or be coached into using the strength he has more.
Utterly agree with you.
All his issues from the past 2-3 years.......people blamed Lambert and Cook for this........people stripped him of any kind of responsibility and kept blaming other defenders. Yes McKenna's arrival will have revived him but his main job is to TO DEFEND !
Donacien.......complacent !
Edmundson/Burgess.......Edmundson dropped for a form? Fine but I don't want to see Burgess on Tuesday night. He must be dropped from the team and work hard for his place. | | | |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:40 - Jan 22 with 653 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 00:30 - Jan 22 by StokieBlue |
So, in summary:
- Our current passing style is "pathetic".
- Our more direct style under MM was also pathetic.
I'm not exactly sure what you want, you seem to want the opposite of whatever the current team is playing.
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So all is fine and lets carry on according to what you want.
Wake up and see what's been happening since Charlton.
I don't care what you aren't sure what I want but I'll tell you. I want McKenna to address our issues and he doesn't do so. The issues on the pitch are very visible.
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| Time for a chanage against Morecambe on 00:42 - Jan 22 with 649 views | bournemouthblue |
| Time for a chanage against Morecambe on 17:55 - Jan 21 by pointofblue |
We rotated Ladapo today. Hirst didn't look any better.
We haven't got many options in central midfield; could try Luongo for Evans, I guess.
But I think it'll be akin to changing deckchair on the Titanic. The issues go deeper than the personnel. |
Hirst did do one thing today that Ladapo doesn't and dropped deeper to where we cut back much of our crosses, connecting with a decent shot that he should have scored
That in itself is positive, particularly as he gets used to the way we play
Broadhead looked useful, he'll be useful when we dominate more of the ball at home |  |
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 08:39 - Jan 22 with 559 views | ArnieM |
A decent ref would be FIRST on my list. I’m sick of the crap we KEEP getting to ref our games. |  |
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| Time for a change against Morecambe on 08:42 - Jan 22 with 559 views | ArnieM |
| Time for a change against Morecambe on 23:36 - Jan 21 by StokieBlue |
Interestingly, a few posters were happy to calculate points per game for Burgess vs Edmundson when they wanted Edmundson out of the team even though the sample size for Burgess was very small.
Now Burgess has a larger sample size which given our results will probably show a completely different points per game for Edmundson and Burgess these calculations are absent.
Burgess has done OK but today was a re-enactment of Father Teds 5-a-side where someone walked past him at glacial speed. It's clearly not all his fault we are doing less well but I would like to see Edmundson back in there, I just think we are a better overall team with him in.
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None of the defenders are good enough in my view snd I’ve been saying this all season and before this season. In comparison to the rest of the squad , they are inferior.
Edit: I should clarify , by the term “defenders”, I am referring to our CB’s! [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 8:49]
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