| Zahawi sacked 09:08 - Jan 29 with 5672 views | catch74 |
Serious breach of the ministerial code.
Think we all knew that. |  |
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| Zahawi sacked on 09:15 - Jan 29 with 3431 views | ElderGrizzly |
Indeed. And Sunak has known for at least 6 weeks.
Not exactly decisive leadership is it? I can only assume they are trying to bury another story today
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| Zahawi sacked on 09:19 - Jan 29 with 3394 views | EastTownBlue |
He didn’t even do the honourable thing and resign before any investigation. |  | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:37 - Jan 29 with 3313 views | gtsb1966 |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:19 - Jan 29 by EastTownBlue |
He didn’t even do the honourable thing and resign before any investigation. |
An honourable member of this government. Never been heard of. |  | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:43 - Jan 29 with 3284 views | Mookamoo |
Are we seeing a shift towards something that looks like accountability in politics and that you can't just sit these things out and they blow over?
or was it just another internal battle in the Tories and someone just wanted to throw Zahawi under a bus. |  | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:52 - Jan 29 with 3257 views | catch74 |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:43 - Jan 29 by Mookamoo |
Are we seeing a shift towards something that looks like accountability in politics and that you can't just sit these things out and they blow over?
or was it just another internal battle in the Tories and someone just wanted to throw Zahawi under a bus. |
This has only been dealt with due to Neidle’s determination, nothing to do with any shift. He’s hung on for an uncomfortably long period of time despite what’s been in the public domain. It’s got to the point where Rishi had no choice, this wasn’t going to go away. Nothing to do with an accountability in politics as a whole but down to a few people that have worked tirelessly to make this happen. | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 09:53 - Jan 29 with 3251 views | BlueBadger |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:43 - Jan 29 by Mookamoo |
Are we seeing a shift towards something that looks like accountability in politics and that you can't just sit these things out and they blow over?
or was it just another internal battle in the Tories and someone just wanted to throw Zahawi under a bus. |
No, as EG says, they're probably trying to distract from the next scandal. It won't and we'll see the same sorry cycle play out over the next few weeks. |  |
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| Zahawi sacked on 09:58 - Jan 29 with 3233 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:43 - Jan 29 by Mookamoo |
Are we seeing a shift towards something that looks like accountability in politics and that you can't just sit these things out and they blow over?
or was it just another internal battle in the Tories and someone just wanted to throw Zahawi under a bus. |
No.
Genuine question, is ethics advisor a fairly new position, or was there actually a time when our leaders weren't so utterly devoid of morals that they didn't have to outsource decisions on whether something's right or not? | | | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:09 - Jan 29 with 3193 views | Herbivore |
Sunak is hopeless. Ultimately, he's still had to fire him, which was always inevitable, so it'll upset a particular faction of the party but he's waited so long and been so hesitant to act that it reinforces the perception he's too weak to lead. The Tories continue to be mired in scandal after scandal, desperately trying to cling to power through balancing the demands of various factions within the party, and all the while the country is rudderless and has long since forgotten what it was like to be governed by competent individuals who actually show at least a passing interest in trying to improve people's lives. Really think after the next GE there needs to be some mechanism to hold those who have presided over the last 3-4 years of shambolic, corrupt government genuinely accountable for their actions. |  |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:13 - Jan 29 with 3161 views | Basuco |
And apparently another cabinet minister, as yet un-named, was being investigated at the same time. Which was sort of confirmed by Laura Kuenssberg by asking Michael Gove directly if there were any other ministers being investigated that might come out in the future. As this is often journalist code for I know there is but cannot say at the moment. |  | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:15 - Jan 29 with 3153 views | Keno |
increasingly begs the question 'why was he appointed in the first place'? |  |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:17 - Jan 29 with 3147 views | Basuco |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:09 - Jan 29 by Herbivore |
Sunak is hopeless. Ultimately, he's still had to fire him, which was always inevitable, so it'll upset a particular faction of the party but he's waited so long and been so hesitant to act that it reinforces the perception he's too weak to lead. The Tories continue to be mired in scandal after scandal, desperately trying to cling to power through balancing the demands of various factions within the party, and all the while the country is rudderless and has long since forgotten what it was like to be governed by competent individuals who actually show at least a passing interest in trying to improve people's lives. Really think after the next GE there needs to be some mechanism to hold those who have presided over the last 3-4 years of shambolic, corrupt government genuinely accountable for their actions. |
It shows that the Conservative is currently being strongly controlled by the far right and Sunak has little or no control over appointments. | | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:17 - Jan 29 with 3140 views | Mookamoo |
| Zahawi sacked on 09:58 - Jan 29 by FoghornGleghorn |
No.
Genuine question, is ethics advisor a fairly new position, or was there actually a time when our leaders weren't so utterly devoid of morals that they didn't have to outsource decisions on whether something's right or not? |
The Whips were always the de facto ethics gatekeepers as reputation meant something to a party. Lying was an instant resignation offence because at least the appearance of the truth was much more important.
I think it's interesting that even trying to deflect responsibility to an external body hasn't helped them this time. It's is also not helping Raab. I would argue the Gray report helped take some of the sting put of that investigation and could well pave the way for Johnson to return sometime in the future.
I suspect the next scandal that comes along will be dealt with in the old fashioned 'need to spend time with the family' way and they go into political purgatory for a while rather than sitting it out in the cabinet. [Post edited 29 Jan 2023 10:19]
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:18 - Jan 29 with 3141 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:15 - Jan 29 by Keno |
increasingly begs the question 'why was he appointed in the first place'? |
As Herbs says, "desperately trying to cling to power through balancing the demands of various factions within the party".
For me it is as simple as that. See also Braverman's appointment as Home Secretary. |  |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:19 - Jan 29 with 3118 views | pointofblue |
Didn’t Johnson sack the last one then say the position need to be filled? That sounds familiar to me but could be wrong!
Anyway, this feels like the death throes of the Major government. Surely the next election should be a landslide for Labour, akin to 1997, so why do I have my doubts? Possibly because I’m not enamoured by them in the slightest so have doubts about, whilst unquestionably being the better of the option of the two, whether they’d really bring the change the country needs. | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:19 - Jan 29 with 3117 views | Keno |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:18 - Jan 29 by You_Bloo_Right |
As Herbs says, "desperately trying to cling to power through balancing the demands of various factions within the party".
For me it is as simple as that. See also Braverman's appointment as Home Secretary. |
Herby can be very wise
I wonder if Braverman will be the next to go?
I'm sure we all have our fingers crossed for her | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:23 - Jan 29 with 3100 views | Herbivore |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:17 - Jan 29 by Basuco |
It shows that the Conservative is currently being strongly controlled by the far right and Sunak has little or no control over appointments. |
It's been the case since 2017 that the Tories - and thus the country - have been hostage to the ERG, which is a bunch of fringe nutters who would be in UKIP if UKIP had a chance of electoral success. 2019 made things worse as Johnson purged the party of moderates and brought in a load of awful borderline far-right simpletons, which just increased the power base of that faction within the Tory party. Those who have been in government a bit longer are now just rinsing the country for anything they can get, knowing that they are stuffed at the next election. We've had the worst possible government at the worst possible time. COVID, Brexit, and the war in Ukraine all required sensible and competent leadership, not internal battles and self-serving charlatans. | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:33 - Jan 29 with 3033 views | Matterhorn |
He will probably end up on GB news with a midday tax affairs programme |  | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:35 - Jan 29 with 3030 views | BlueBadger |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:19 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
Didn’t Johnson sack the last one then say the position need to be filled? That sounds familiar to me but could be wrong!
Anyway, this feels like the death throes of the Major government. Surely the next election should be a landslide for Labour, akin to 1997, so why do I have my doubts? Possibly because I’m not enamoured by them in the slightest so have doubts about, whilst unquestionably being the better of the option of the two, whether they’d really bring the change the country needs. |
So far, the Labour pitch is largely been about 'well, we're not them'. It would be nice to seem them going bit more on the front foot over the next 12 months or so. | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:38 - Jan 29 with 2998 views | Herbivore |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:35 - Jan 29 by BlueBadger |
So far, the Labour pitch is largely been about 'well, we're not them'. It would be nice to seem them going bit more on the front foot over the next 12 months or so. |
Recently it's felt a bit more like "we're not them, but we're going to follow the same sort of policies, we'll just be less corrupt with it". It's very uninspiring. | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 10:43 - Jan 29 with 2965 views | Keno |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:38 - Jan 29 by Herbivore |
Recently it's felt a bit more like "we're not them, but we're going to follow the same sort of policies, we'll just be less corrupt with it". It's very uninspiring. |
I was trying to explain to my Starmer loving son that Labour arent ahead in pools cos people like then but cos people are fed up with the Tories
It would be nice to see Starmer being more positive | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 11:11 - Jan 29 with 2893 views | DJR |
| Zahawi sacked on 10:23 - Jan 29 by Herbivore |
It's been the case since 2017 that the Tories - and thus the country - have been hostage to the ERG, which is a bunch of fringe nutters who would be in UKIP if UKIP had a chance of electoral success. 2019 made things worse as Johnson purged the party of moderates and brought in a load of awful borderline far-right simpletons, which just increased the power base of that faction within the Tory party. Those who have been in government a bit longer are now just rinsing the country for anything they can get, knowing that they are stuffed at the next election. We've had the worst possible government at the worst possible time. COVID, Brexit, and the war in Ukraine all required sensible and competent leadership, not internal battles and self-serving charlatans. |
The really strange thing is that Remainers get the blame for delaying Brexit, when it was really the ERG who prevented May's deal from going ahead. |  | | |
| Zahawi sacked on 11:13 - Jan 29 with 2882 views | Herbivore |
| Zahawi sacked on 11:11 - Jan 29 by DJR |
The really strange thing is that Remainers get the blame for delaying Brexit, when it was really the ERG who prevented May's deal from going ahead. |
Quite. History has very much been rewritten on that one. If May's own party and coalition partners had voted with her then the Brexit deal would have gone through in the Spring of 2019. And it was a less damaging deal than the one Johnson and his second rate chancers ended up with. | |
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| Zahawi sacked on 11:37 - Jan 29 with 2836 views | BlueBadger |
| Zahawi sacked on 11:11 - Jan 29 by DJR |
The really strange thing is that Remainers get the blame for delaying Brexit, when it was really the ERG who prevented May's deal from going ahead. |
EVERYONE is to blame for Brexit. Apart from the people who campaigned and voted for it. | |
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