| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:28 - Feb 7 with 1819 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
The idea of someone being told that they are going to spend the next 30 years of their life in prison, and how that must feel to the individual, is insane and impossible to imagine. It's such a long time. Even worse if you're a former police officer. You really have to f**k up to end up in that situation.
(I'm not for one moment suggesting it's not deserved). |  |
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| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:52 - Feb 7 with 1728 views | Churchman |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:28 - Feb 7 by ThisIsMyUsername |
The idea of someone being told that they are going to spend the next 30 years of their life in prison, and how that must feel to the individual, is insane and impossible to imagine. It's such a long time. Even worse if you're a former police officer. You really have to f**k up to end up in that situation.
(I'm not for one moment suggesting it's not deserved). |
I understand what you are saying and don’t disagree.
However, prison is voluntary. He chose to do what he did. What is not voluntary is the unimaginable pain and suffering of his victims and their families.
I could never vote for capital punishment, but he should be locked away until he dies with no chance of release. He should be made to pay for his prison time too. Every last penny. |  | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:55 - Feb 7 with 1719 views | J2BLUE |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:52 - Feb 7 by Churchman |
I understand what you are saying and don’t disagree.
However, prison is voluntary. He chose to do what he did. What is not voluntary is the unimaginable pain and suffering of his victims and their families.
I could never vote for capital punishment, but he should be locked away until he dies with no chance of release. He should be made to pay for his prison time too. Every last penny. |
36 life sentences. If he's out in 30 years then something is very wrong with the system. Even if he behaves like a saint for 30 years there should be no chance he gets out surely? |  |
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| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:00 - Feb 7 with 1694 views | Churchman |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:55 - Feb 7 by J2BLUE |
36 life sentences. If he's out in 30 years then something is very wrong with the system. Even if he behaves like a saint for 30 years there should be no chance he gets out surely? |
Agreed, he should never be released. I like the US system where they run sentences one after the other (sequentially?). I make that 1080 years. Time off for good behaviour would reduce it to say 540. That’d do. | | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:03 - Feb 7 with 1679 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:52 - Feb 7 by Churchman |
I understand what you are saying and don’t disagree.
However, prison is voluntary. He chose to do what he did. What is not voluntary is the unimaginable pain and suffering of his victims and their families.
I could never vote for capital punishment, but he should be locked away until he dies with no chance of release. He should be made to pay for his prison time too. Every last penny. |
Just want to stress again that I really wasn't disagreeing for one moment with the outcome.
Clearly the safest place for him to be is behind bars. | |
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| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:06 - Feb 7 with 1655 views | Churchman |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:03 - Feb 7 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Just want to stress again that I really wasn't disagreeing for one moment with the outcome.
Clearly the safest place for him to be is behind bars. |
Oh I know you weren't and I agree with you | | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:14 - Feb 7 with 1629 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:03 - Feb 7 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Just want to stress again that I really wasn't disagreeing for one moment with the outcome.
Clearly the safest place for him to be is behind bars. |
Safe for others, maybe not too safe for him as ex-police and a rapist! I imagine the showers will be busy. |  |
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| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:16 - Feb 7 with 1585 views | Ryorry |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:00 - Feb 7 by Churchman |
Agreed, he should never be released. I like the US system where they run sentences one after the other (sequentially?). I make that 1080 years. Time off for good behaviour would reduce it to say 540. That’d do. |
'Consecutively' (as opposed to 'concurrently') is also an option in the UK, was certainly quite well used back in the day when I was a probation officer. |  |
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| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:33 - Feb 7 with 1494 views | Churchman |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:16 - Feb 7 by Ryorry |
'Consecutively' (as opposed to 'concurrently') is also an option in the UK, was certainly quite well used back in the day when I was a probation officer. |
I didn’t know that. I thought sentences always ran alongside each other here. Interesting. | | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:55 - Feb 7 with 1461 views | Slimitfc91 |
There are good and bad people in every part of life, imagine how those poor parents of the babies (alledgly) killed by the nurse that was supposedly caring for their loved one feel |  | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 15:00 - Feb 7 with 1431 views | MattinLondon |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:00 - Feb 7 by Churchman |
Agreed, he should never be released. I like the US system where they run sentences one after the other (sequentially?). I make that 1080 years. Time off for good behaviour would reduce it to say 540. That’d do. |
I’m not disagreeing with you in the slightest.
The US penal system is really barbaric which uses slave labour to compete with Mexico etc. Their rate of reoffending is sky high. The much more liberal and softy-softy styles of the Nordic countries have much less reoffending.
Just to add on again, what he did was disgusting, I’m not disagreeing with the sentence at all. |  | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 15:50 - Feb 7 with 1338 views | HARRY10 |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 14:14 - Feb 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Safe for others, maybe not too safe for him as ex-police and a rapist! I imagine the showers will be busy. |
That stuff is an urban myth beloved of the Mail and especially the Sun where their view of sex is that of a 12 year old school boy.
As a former copper he will automaticaly put on rule 43 = segregation fot his sort, sex offenders, violent killers etc
Whilst he is certainly bad there is the certainty that he is also mad. Some physocolgical disorder that caused him to behave in such a manner, repeatedly.
For that alone society needs protecting from him. If he is ever released it will be when he is too frail to act on any 'desires' he might still have.. It is a case of societies needs are far greater than the individual. | | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 16:48 - Feb 7 with 1265 views | Churchman |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 15:50 - Feb 7 by HARRY10 |
That stuff is an urban myth beloved of the Mail and especially the Sun where their view of sex is that of a 12 year old school boy.
As a former copper he will automaticaly put on rule 43 = segregation fot his sort, sex offenders, violent killers etc
Whilst he is certainly bad there is the certainty that he is also mad. Some physocolgical disorder that caused him to behave in such a manner, repeatedly.
For that alone society needs protecting from him. If he is ever released it will be when he is too frail to act on any 'desires' he might still have.. It is a case of societies needs are far greater than the individual. |
I’m sure some people are mentally ill. Others just enjoy controlling, hurting and killing. Plenty of people are like that.
As long as he’s locked away permanently, preferably at his expense with no luxuries like TVs, computers and radios I couldn’t care a less. He should never be released under any circumstances.
Energy, support and thought should be with his victims and their families. Not that creature. | | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 17:37 - Feb 7 with 1195 views | HARRY10 |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 16:48 - Feb 7 by Churchman |
I’m sure some people are mentally ill. Others just enjoy controlling, hurting and killing. Plenty of people are like that.
As long as he’s locked away permanently, preferably at his expense with no luxuries like TVs, computers and radios I couldn’t care a less. He should never be released under any circumstances.
Energy, support and thought should be with his victims and their families. Not that creature. |
Again that strays into the Daily Mails simple answers for simple folk thinking.
Someone behaving as he did is not the behaviour of a 'normal' person. He is mentally unwell, which, however, does not absolve him of any blame or responsibilty.
Guff about luxuries may excite those who feel it was them attacked and 'misused' by this bloke but it ignores the realities of prison life.
Access t a radio, tv, computer are privilges which allow prison staff a means of control.... carrot v Daily Mail stick. That the latter does not work and merely causes huge disruption for the prison staff
Put bluntly 'be a good boy for six months and we will allow you a radio, play up at anytime and it will be removed'. That privilege ciots prison staff nothing, but spread across the wing, the prison makes their job easier and cheaper.
That is why so much of what the Mail and Sun bleat is ignored. It might cause righties to salivate but it ignores reality. | | | |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 18:40 - Feb 7 with 1120 views | Guthrum |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 13:55 - Feb 7 by J2BLUE |
36 life sentences. If he's out in 30 years then something is very wrong with the system. Even if he behaves like a saint for 30 years there should be no chance he gets out surely? |
It's not about how he behaves, rather whether the parole board thinks he poses a danger to others. That'll be a pretty big hurdle to get over. |  |
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| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 19:27 - Feb 7 with 1065 views | Churchman |
| 30 year minimum sentence for Carrick on 17:37 - Feb 7 by HARRY10 |
Again that strays into the Daily Mails simple answers for simple folk thinking.
Someone behaving as he did is not the behaviour of a 'normal' person. He is mentally unwell, which, however, does not absolve him of any blame or responsibilty.
Guff about luxuries may excite those who feel it was them attacked and 'misused' by this bloke but it ignores the realities of prison life.
Access t a radio, tv, computer are privilges which allow prison staff a means of control.... carrot v Daily Mail stick. That the latter does not work and merely causes huge disruption for the prison staff
Put bluntly 'be a good boy for six months and we will allow you a radio, play up at anytime and it will be removed'. That privilege ciots prison staff nothing, but spread across the wing, the prison makes their job easier and cheaper.
That is why so much of what the Mail and Sun bleat is ignored. It might cause righties to salivate but it ignores reality. |
The reality is that there are many men that enjoy the control, hurting and killing. Too many. It is naive in my view to not recognise that is how it is.
Most do not go close to what that animal did, but how can I put it, 32,000 people were working for Hitler’s Gestapo in 1944 and many more than that did appalling things in both the regular army and in particular his private army the SS. That is how it was. There were plenty of volunteers. Not all were indoctrinated and not all were obeying orders or brutalised into doing what they did. They enjoyed it. Power and control is something in man that’s been there since humans could walk.
You must have met blokes who enjoy doing that sort of thing? Men who think it’s ok to molest and harass women in the workplace. Bullies at school. They do it because they can, it makes them feel good, big, powerful. They tend to hide their crimes which suggests to me they know their behaviour is wrong.
It has nothing to do with the Daily Mail, ‘righties’ or anything else and given my posts on this forum it’s something you cannot accuse me of. Cost? The prisoners can pay as it’s voluntary. Prison staff? Cruelly underpaid and not supported anywhere near enough. In my world they would be.
My thoughts will always be with the victims. Some will never get over this. What price them and their families? If what happened to them can be 100% reversed I will review my stance but until then, I’m not remotely interested creatures like that so called man. | | | |
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