| Just seen a BBC story 08:53 - Feb 14 with 2878 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
on the 5 live survey on abuse of grassroots referees.
Surely time for referees at grassroots level to be issued with chest cams and prosecutions to be undertaken isn't it? |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 11:28 - Feb 14 with 568 views | Basuco |
| Just seen a BBC story on 09:33 - Feb 14 by cbower |
You are undoubtedly right but I fear nothing will be done. This argument has been put forward all my life (55) and not a thing has altered. Actually it's got worse. Mike the referee up, let the public hear the abuse and you watch the outcry, the sponsors start twitching when one of their stars calls the ref a c***. 10 minute sin bins for dissent and you would see an immediate change. Points deductions for poor dissent records. There are innumerable things the professional game could do which would benefit grass roots refs but the football authorities talk lots but do nothing. On a bit of a tangent but somewhat related, i watch a bit on Sunday League on a local field now and again when walking my dog. Often when they've gone there's a lot of sports drinks bottles discarded. Is this linked to the pros who just lob them to the ground? Would love to see the cameras zoom in on Pep and Klopp with their bin bag telling Haaland, Salah et al to tidy up and put it in the bin bag! |
Like the Sebastian Vettel litter pick in the main grandstand at Silverstone a couple of years ago, at about 6 or 7 O'clock in the evening after the main race, he organised a few race fans to join in as well. Can't see a football manager doing that. |  | | |
| Just seen a BBC story on 11:33 - Feb 14 with 560 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Just seen a BBC story on 10:49 - Feb 14 by DJR |
Or even worse, being a referee when the proper ref doesn't turn up.
I did that on a few occasions, and, on one occasion, even snapped at one of the opposition coaches who was given me a bit of stick by calling him a stupid tw@t. Perhaps not a good example for the kids, but I just got sick of the constant abuse.
Sadly, proper referees must contain their emotions (the incident with Alan Judge being a rare exception), but they must often feel tempted to deck some of the players. [Post edited 14 Feb 2023 10:52]
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Hah - that happened to a friend of mine at ‘genteel’ Saffron Walden. At the end of his 90 mins of abuse and threats from visiting parents he discovered someone had keyed his car. That was 20 years ago - presumably things are now worse. |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 11:57 - Feb 14 with 517 views | Illinoisblue |
| Just seen a BBC story on 09:25 - Feb 14 by homer_123 |
I can tell you that, within kids football, it's as much parents giving abuse to officials as players. |
(Some) Parents are the absolute fking worst. See it over here at youth football and basketball. I honestly don’t know how refs hold back sometimes. I know I’d want to be piling into the spectators and kicking if I had to listen to non-stop abuse.
The accusations of bias always makes me laugh. You think some ref getting paid $20 a game gives a flying fk who wins this U10 game? |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 17:15 - Feb 14 with 436 views | LeoMuff |
| Just seen a BBC story on 11:57 - Feb 14 by Illinoisblue |
(Some) Parents are the absolute fking worst. See it over here at youth football and basketball. I honestly don’t know how refs hold back sometimes. I know I’d want to be piling into the spectators and kicking if I had to listen to non-stop abuse.
The accusations of bias always makes me laugh. You think some ref getting paid $20 a game gives a flying fk who wins this U10 game? |
My friend had a nightmare reffing an u7last Sunday, yes u7s ! parents on the pitch coming towards him in a threatening manner. Abuse from parents, parents asking for red cards for 6 or 7 year olds. Crazy. |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 17:29 - Feb 14 with 431 views | DJR |
| Just seen a BBC story on 17:15 - Feb 14 by LeoMuff |
My friend had a nightmare reffing an u7last Sunday, yes u7s ! parents on the pitch coming towards him in a threatening manner. Abuse from parents, parents asking for red cards for 6 or 7 year olds. Crazy. |
I think part of the issue is that many parents these days think (completely wrongly) that their child has the ability to become a professional footballer, and so treat games as much more serious than they should be, when it should really only be about enjoyment for the children. |  | | |
| Just seen a BBC story on 17:36 - Feb 14 with 415 views | ellaandred |
| Just seen a BBC story on 09:23 - Feb 14 by waveneyblue |
I was about to mention this - as it reminded me of it. You could clearly see he was shouting at the ref to F off etc.
Booking all day long - and that would send the message to all the kids watching that its unacceptable |
Foul and abusive language is a (straight) red card. |  | | |
| Just seen a BBC story on 17:53 - Feb 14 with 407 views | sotd78 |
The whole solution comes from the top down. Put sanctions in place against players for bad behaviour. Book everyone who surrounds a linesman or referee unless they are the captain and the player involved - everyone else stays ten metres away. Don't tell me it isn't achievable. Get the busy-body fourth official into the mixer - he can identify everyone on his little monitor!
Fine the players; deduct points. Start big and enforce it. Everyone from the top down behaves and the grass roots problem recedes.
Put more money into the referees - pay properly all down the pyramid - good heavens the Premiership can afford a levy for that. Train them as much as the players. Make refereeing as professional as the playing side. Capisce! |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 17:59 - Feb 14 with 400 views | ronnyd |
As an add on to this thread, The antics of Prem managers and coaches leaves a lot to be desired too.
Just noticed that the Refs, Accos. chief is one Paul Field. How apt. [Post edited 14 Feb 2023 18:23]
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| Just seen a BBC story on 18:51 - Feb 14 with 366 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Just seen a BBC story on 17:36 - Feb 14 by ellaandred |
Foul and abusive language is a (straight) red card. |
Quite so. Hence the probably apocryphal story of the Sunday morning player who was stood next to the ref at kick off. On the ref's whistle to start the game said player remarks, "F me that was loud!" and off he goes - straight red.
Did someone on here tell that story? Can't recall. |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 10:26 - Feb 15 with 314 views | Swansea_Blue |
I was listening to the round up of this on Colin Murray's show on the way home last night. Pretty poor stuff. I think they're right that a better example needs to be set from the top by stamping down on dissent from players. But it's also a cultural issue isn't it? There's a lot of anger around football - not just from fans towards the referee, but also towards opposition fans (and sometimes fans turning on their own support) nad towards players (again not just opposition players, but also fan's own team).I don't know how we crack that. |  |
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| Just seen a BBC story on 14:22 - Feb 15 with 269 views | Radlett_blue |
| Just seen a BBC story on 17:53 - Feb 14 by sotd78 |
The whole solution comes from the top down. Put sanctions in place against players for bad behaviour. Book everyone who surrounds a linesman or referee unless they are the captain and the player involved - everyone else stays ten metres away. Don't tell me it isn't achievable. Get the busy-body fourth official into the mixer - he can identify everyone on his little monitor!
Fine the players; deduct points. Start big and enforce it. Everyone from the top down behaves and the grass roots problem recedes.
Put more money into the referees - pay properly all down the pyramid - good heavens the Premiership can afford a levy for that. Train them as much as the players. Make refereeing as professional as the playing side. Capisce! |
100%. Professional footballers now feel that hurling abuse at the referee over even relatively trivial decsions whioch they dislike is OK & this has arisen because dissent has been tolerated for so many years. THe only solution is a clampdown whereby any dissent is an automatic yellow card. After a few weeks of playing 5 a side, the pros will work it out & change their behaviour. |  |
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