| Can I defend myself 09:06 - Mar 12 with 5074 views | onceablue |
Life long ITFC fan who has seen well over 2000 games home and away
Yes I have been negative about McKenna only because I fear we will not go up this season which I think would be hugely disappointing given where we were in December and the budget we have
I really want McKenna to succeed but the truth is us loyal fans have been here long before KM arrived and will be here long after he has gone
I guess a lot of us older fans have been spoilt in past years 70/80’s so don’t get quite as excited about winning at Port Vale on aTuesday night
However the most important thing for me to do was to pass my passion on of ITFC to my Son and prevent him supporting Man City or Arsenal
I have done that and to see his face when we scored our second yesterday was priceless
Hopefully one day he might even see us beat the scum up the road. |  | | |  |
| Can I defend myself on 17:05 - Mar 12 with 974 views | Herbivore |
Over 2000 games? That's impressive, that's over 40 games a season every season for 50 years. How old is your son out of interest? Your description of seeing his face light up and the quip about seeing us beat Norwich makes it sound like he's a child but you must be in your 60s or 70s at least to have gone to over 2000 games. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 17:32]
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| Can I defend myself on 17:32 - Mar 12 with 925 views | jaykay |
| Can I defend myself on 17:05 - Mar 12 by Herbivore |
Over 2000 games? That's impressive, that's over 40 games a season every season for 50 years. How old is your son out of interest? Your description of seeing his face light up and the quip about seeing us beat Norwich makes it sound like he's a child but you must be in your 60s or 70s at least to have gone to over 2000 games. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 17:32]
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i was wondering that. maybe he meant his grandson |  |
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| Can I defend myself on 17:36 - Mar 12 with 915 views | Herbivore |
| Can I defend myself on 17:32 - Mar 12 by jaykay |
i was wondering that. maybe he meant his grandson |
It has the whiff of bullsh!t and the couched digs in there do nothing to dampen the smell. | |
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| Can I defend myself on 17:41 - Mar 12 with 871 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Are you closely related to our old friend Malcolm by any chance? |  |
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| I should add… on 17:43 - Mar 12 with 852 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I should add… on 14:01 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont |
I am judging him on this season. The middle stretch of performances and results wasn't up to promotion standard or even play-offs standard. 5 wins on the bounce, 15 points, a load of goals and clean sheets later has reversed the slide and now we're looking up rather than down.
But if we don't go up the failure to get results or grind them out over that extended period will be one of the main reasons.
I'm not black and white on this and have much, much more praise than criticism for the team. But we also have to be realistic and balanced too when things aren't/weren't great. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 14:04]
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Sht happens, basically. We’ve no divine right to be better than anyone else. People talk about the money all the time, but when you look at top salaries for individual players we’ve hardly anyone in the top 20. Sheff We’d, Plymouth, Derby all have higher earning players (not that I think it’s a useful guide to footballing ability, but just putting those wage bill claims in context). |  |
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| I should add… on 17:46 - Mar 12 with 843 views | Herbivore |
| I should add… on 17:43 - Mar 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Sht happens, basically. We’ve no divine right to be better than anyone else. People talk about the money all the time, but when you look at top salaries for individual players we’ve hardly anyone in the top 20. Sheff We’d, Plymouth, Derby all have higher earning players (not that I think it’s a useful guide to footballing ability, but just putting those wage bill claims in context). |
I doubt Plymouth are paying anyone more than we are. They might have loanees on big wages at their parent club but Plymouth won't be picking up all of the bill. | |
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| I should add… on 18:02 - Mar 12 with 806 views | Churchman |
| I should add… on 17:46 - Mar 12 by Herbivore |
I doubt Plymouth are paying anyone more than we are. They might have loanees on big wages at their parent club but Plymouth won't be picking up all of the bill. |
Maybe, but that a conscious decision on their part. MA and KM made it clear they weren’t interested in building a one season team to get it of this division as that would mean a struggle the following season, Rotherham style.
They are looking more long term, which carries risk but also reward. There’s not many clubs in the rubbish leagues that can do that, but we can. |  | | |
| I should add… on 18:06 - Mar 12 with 795 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I should add… on 17:46 - Mar 12 by Herbivore |
I doubt Plymouth are paying anyone more than we are. They might have loanees on big wages at their parent club but Plymouth won't be picking up all of the bill. |
I suspect you’re right. But who’s paying is irrelevant if money is supposed to be a proxy for quality. According to that theory, we’ve lower paid/quality players that a few other teams.
As I say, I don’t think paying someone more (or paying a higher fee) automatically means they’re better. But given the larger wages some other team’s players are on, I’m also not convinced we’ve got as big a financial advantage as is often made out. I’m not disputing we’ve a big wage budget, it’s more that other teams hide their real wage budget through loan players that stay off their bottom line. | |
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| Can I defend myself on 18:19 - Mar 12 with 769 views | Oldsmoker |
I went to every home match when I was a teenager and wanted us to get promoted. When it happened the manager (Bill McGarry) left for the Wolves job.
The new manager apparently had a bust-up with the club captain Billy Baxter, a hero of mine.
So I wasn't exactly sold on this new manager and if social media had been around I would have made my opinions known.
That new guy was (Sir) Bobby Robson.
He took us on a journey that actually didn't produce much silverware.
But what a journey.
I get the same sense with McKenna.
Just like Robson, it won't happen overnight, but gradually it will. |  |
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| I should add… on 18:20 - Mar 12 with 756 views | Herbivore |
| I should add… on 18:06 - Mar 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I suspect you’re right. But who’s paying is irrelevant if money is supposed to be a proxy for quality. According to that theory, we’ve lower paid/quality players that a few other teams.
As I say, I don’t think paying someone more (or paying a higher fee) automatically means they’re better. But given the larger wages some other team’s players are on, I’m also not convinced we’ve got as big a financial advantage as is often made out. I’m not disputing we’ve a big wage budget, it’s more that other teams hide their real wage budget through loan players that stay off their bottom line. |
I'd be surprised if Plymouth have anyone who earns more than Hirst if we are including loanees. He signed a new deal with Leicester last summer on over £20k a week. Not sure any of Plymouth's loanees will be on more than that.
I don't think cost necessarily equals quality, especially when loaning from higher divisions where even the yoots earn more than most League 1 players, but in general teams with bigger budgets tend to finish higher up the league than teams with smaller budgets. We are definitely top 3 for wages and most likely top 1 for fees. That doesn't give us a right to be beating everyone but it does mean a failure to compete at the top end of the table is a genuine failure. Thankfully we are right up there and I'm hopeful of a positive end to the season. | |
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| I should add… on 18:35 - Mar 12 with 715 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I should add… on 18:20 - Mar 12 by Herbivore |
I'd be surprised if Plymouth have anyone who earns more than Hirst if we are including loanees. He signed a new deal with Leicester last summer on over £20k a week. Not sure any of Plymouth's loanees will be on more than that.
I don't think cost necessarily equals quality, especially when loaning from higher divisions where even the yoots earn more than most League 1 players, but in general teams with bigger budgets tend to finish higher up the league than teams with smaller budgets. We are definitely top 3 for wages and most likely top 1 for fees. That doesn't give us a right to be beating everyone but it does mean a failure to compete at the top end of the table is a genuine failure. Thankfully we are right up there and I'm hopeful of a positive end to the season. |
Ah, maybe there’s a flaw in my theory. I got one search hit back for a £16k/wk salary for Hirst (that would be nice, wouldn’t it?), which puts him in the top 5. If that’s true, he’d be the only one of our players in the top 10 in L1.
I’m not denying the overall wage bill. Just that stones and glass houses spring to mind for some other teams, especially Sheff Wed.
My reference was this article and just a Google search.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/the-stagg | |
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| Can I defend myself on 18:44 - Mar 12 with 699 views | ITFC1977 |
| Can I defend myself on 11:33 - Mar 12 by BondiBlue |
I was brought up on burley's team. Everyone could see he was building something and no-one was suggesting he should be sacked even when we lost in the playoffs 3 years in a row. The world's gone crazy now sacking managers every 5 minutes. Let's not start with that unless we really have to. |
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| Can I defend myself on 18:45 - Mar 12 with 696 views | chicoazul |
| Can I defend myself on 11:33 - Mar 12 by BondiBlue |
I was brought up on burley's team. Everyone could see he was building something and no-one was suggesting he should be sacked even when we lost in the playoffs 3 years in a row. The world's gone crazy now sacking managers every 5 minutes. Let's not start with that unless we really have to. |
Many people were suggesting it some of whom still post here. |  |
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| Can I defend myself on 19:10 - Mar 12 with 668 views | ClareBlue |
I met SBR in the late 70s and he said that Ipswich were one of the few clubs that gave managers time to implement their ideas. He said that he never understood how clubs decided who they wanted to manage their team and then didn't give them any time to make the changes required. Wise words then, even wiser now. | | | |
| Can I defend myself on 19:29 - Mar 12 with 648 views | backwaywhen |
| Can I defend myself on 19:10 - Mar 12 by ClareBlue |
I met SBR in the late 70s and he said that Ipswich were one of the few clubs that gave managers time to implement their ideas. He said that he never understood how clubs decided who they wanted to manage their team and then didn't give them any time to make the changes required. Wise words then, even wiser now. |
Bang on the money , wanting a manager sacked is when there is little or no progress, and no enjoyment watching your team . kM has bought those things in abundance, with a few hiccups along the way ……. Let’s all keep the faith , as this man WILL deliver ! …… COYBs 💙 | | | |
| I should add… on 19:35 - Mar 12 with 640 views | Herbivore |
| I should add… on 18:35 - Mar 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah, maybe there’s a flaw in my theory. I got one search hit back for a £16k/wk salary for Hirst (that would be nice, wouldn’t it?), which puts him in the top 5. If that’s true, he’d be the only one of our players in the top 10 in L1.
I’m not denying the overall wage bill. Just that stones and glass houses spring to mind for some other teams, especially Sheff Wed.
My reference was this article and just a Google search.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/the-stagg |
I imagine there's a lot of guesswork around the salaries. I'd expect Broadhead to be on a decent whack, Clarke too. Davis must be earning a good wedge too. There's no doubt we're big spending at this level, combined fees and wages I imagine we're the biggest spenders, that said the likes of Wednesday and Derby have hefty wage bills too so any criticism from them is rather misplaced. | |
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| Can I defend myself on 20:54 - Mar 12 with 571 views | Geomorph |
| Can I defend myself on 12:00 - Mar 12 by BigCommon |
Followed Ipswich since 70s...
When Burgess headed our second goal yesterday, that feeling of emotion, joy, relief, doesn't change, for me.. |
Ditto … |  | | |
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