| Polling day in a couple of weeks. 18:08 - Apr 23 with 3217 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Think I'll take my polling card and no I.D to be officially disenfranchised rather than consenting to a law I disagree with. |  |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 17:13 - Apr 24 with 1016 views | StokieBlue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 16:58 - Apr 24 by HotShotHamish |
I helped a neighbour get their free voter authority certificate on Friday, it took less than 3 mins to complete the process on my phone.
Millions has been spent getting the message across to people that ID is needed, there's even been banners in Ipswich Town Centre about it.
The free ID is so easy to get, to suggest this is voter suppression is ridiculous and clearly politically motivated. Most of you complaining have no issue using photo ID for other reasons but want a free attempt to once again moan about Tories.
There is no reason to think that anyone who wants to vote in a couple of weeks will not be able to because they either didn't have the correct ID or didn't know of the new rules. |
What voter fraud are they preventing?
Since nobody supporting the measured was willing to address the link when I posted it earlier in the thread lets try again:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-voter-fraud-photo-id
There is no issue to solve, there is however the application of further barriers making it harder for some people to vote.
So not only was there no existing issue you've freely admitted they have spent millions on this non-existent issue which could have been better spent elsewhere.
So from your post we can garner that they are both incompetent with the finances and bizarre in their priorities.
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 17:54 - Apr 24 with 951 views | DJR |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 16:58 - Apr 24 by HotShotHamish |
I helped a neighbour get their free voter authority certificate on Friday, it took less than 3 mins to complete the process on my phone.
Millions has been spent getting the message across to people that ID is needed, there's even been banners in Ipswich Town Centre about it.
The free ID is so easy to get, to suggest this is voter suppression is ridiculous and clearly politically motivated. Most of you complaining have no issue using photo ID for other reasons but want a free attempt to once again moan about Tories.
There is no reason to think that anyone who wants to vote in a couple of weeks will not be able to because they either didn't have the correct ID or didn't know of the new rules. |
It really is voter suppression, and comes right out of the playbook of right-wing US think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation, at which Dowden and more recently Truss (amongst others) have spoken.
Amongst other things the Heritage Foundation is very much into climate change denial, and even opposed the Biden military package for the war in Ukraine, so not a great bedfellow. It also doesn't like trans people (ring any bells?).
And as regards your point about people being happy to use photo ID, I never like taking my passport or driving licence out of the house unless absolutely necessary, and hang on to it for grim death.
But if they are to insist on ID, why don't they limit it to anything with your name on, because surely people aren't going to forge a bank card in someone's name just impersonate their vote? It certainly is particularly annoying that my Senior Railcard isn't valid, as you don't get that without photo ID.
Anyway, as well as the millions you mention (there will also need to be more staff to check ID), there is talk of the police having to draft in reinforcements because of possible problems at polling stations. Indeed, with voter ID perhaps we will end up with queues later in the day outside polling stations just like Dover. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 18:29]
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:32 - Apr 24 with 904 views | waveneyblue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 18:40 - Apr 23 by blueasfook |
Yes, let's all kick off because the electoral commission want to take steps to eliminate voter fraud. |
Stop being so bloody sensible.
I see the usuals have downvoted you... again |  | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:34 - Apr 24 with 902 views | waveneyblue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 18:57 - Apr 23 by MattinLondon |
Is it as simple as that? Is there concrete evidence to suggest that Non-Tory voters will be disenfranchised more than Tory voters?
I’m guessing that there must be a lot of elderly Tories who don’t have a passport or Driving Licence (probably more women than men). |
Ssssshh
That doesn't fit the narrative. ID is bad | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:36 - Apr 24 with 901 views | noggin |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:34 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
Ssssshh
That doesn't fit the narrative. ID is bad |
Has anyone said ID is bad? |  |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 20:04 - Apr 24 with 890 views | waveneyblue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:36 - Apr 24 by noggin |
Has anyone said ID is bad? |
I was generalising....
But there's always loads against a National ID card, which would solve this issue straight away.
I've never seen the problem myself. | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 20:10 - Apr 24 with 887 views | noggin |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 20:04 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
I was generalising....
But there's always loads against a National ID card, which would solve this issue straight away.
I've never seen the problem myself. |
Yes a national ID card would solve the problem, but that's not the debate here. | |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 20:25 - Apr 24 with 877 views | StokieBlue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:32 - Apr 24 by waveneyblue |
Stop being so bloody sensible.
I see the usuals have downvoted you... again |
What election fraud?
Please post examples of extensive election fraud.
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 20:28 - Apr 24 with 873 views | Buhrer |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:36 - Apr 24 by noggin |
Has anyone said ID is bad? |
I thought ID was good, ... Reese Dinsdale, Warren Clarke, The Shadwell Army! |  | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:06 - Apr 24 with 845 views | HARRY10 |
As someone never shy of proclaiming his rrrr- revolutionary credentials, I am rather saddened to see the forums very own Wolfie Smith suggest something that will cause hassle and more work for his fellow workers
I will make my thoughts known, on the day, at the venue...politely. I have also emailed my MP.
I will also write to various media and local Tory chairmen (Gauleiters) after the vote expressing my concern. Maybe if enough follow suit it will have an effect, or maybe not.
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:21 - Apr 24 with 836 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:06 - Apr 24 by HARRY10 |
As someone never shy of proclaiming his rrrr- revolutionary credentials, I am rather saddened to see the forums very own Wolfie Smith suggest something that will cause hassle and more work for his fellow workers
I will make my thoughts known, on the day, at the venue...politely. I have also emailed my MP.
I will also write to various media and local Tory chairmen (Gauleiters) after the vote expressing my concern. Maybe if enough follow suit it will have an effect, or maybe not.
But behaving like an ar se to fellow workers makes no sense |
Me...."Here's my voting card"
Working person...."Do you have ID?"
Me...." Not with me."
Working person...."Sorry but you can't vote."
Me..." Oh, well can you please report back that I wanted to vote but didn't want to comply with this unnecessary law?"
Working person...." Yeah sure."
Me...."Ta comrade"
*Banksy exits stage right*
Working person..."What an arse! " | |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:30 - Apr 24 with 828 views | HARRY10 |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:21 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Me...."Here's my voting card"
Working person...."Do you have ID?"
Me...." Not with me."
Working person...."Sorry but you can't vote."
Me..." Oh, well can you please report back that I wanted to vote but didn't want to comply with this unnecessary law?"
Working person...." Yeah sure."
Me...."Ta comrade"
*Banksy exits stage right*
Working person..."What an arse! " |
I'm glad to see you have paid heed to my advice
However, by not voting, you are actually fulfilling the Tories wishes.
And also counting on the hope that few others will do likewise - as I would suggest those proposing this requirement will come from the progressive side of things
Whereas the cap doffing 'master knows best' lackeys will do as they are told, as always. | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:37 - Apr 24 with 820 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:30 - Apr 24 by HARRY10 |
I'm glad to see you have paid heed to my advice
However, by not voting, you are actually fulfilling the Tories wishes.
And also counting on the hope that few others will do likewise - as I would suggest those proposing this requirement will come from the progressive side of things
Whereas the cap doffing 'master knows best' lackeys will do as they are told, as always. |
Such contempt for your fellow workers Harry. | |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:47 - Apr 24 with 801 views | HARRY10 |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:37 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Such contempt for your fellow workers Harry. |
Those operating the gas chambers, rounding up Jews, Gypsies and children, the Milice/Quislings were also fellow workers
That does not exclude them from contempt, at least not from me | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:51 - Apr 24 with 794 views | StokieBlue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:47 - Apr 24 by HARRY10 |
Those operating the gas chambers, rounding up Jews, Gypsies and children, the Milice/Quislings were also fellow workers
That does not exclude them from contempt, at least not from me |
That's a really weird post, even for you.
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:55 - Apr 24 with 788 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
If you do a postal vote you don't have to have the ID at all.
OK, you do need to read everything carefully to put it all in correctly but it is more straightforward than going to vote in person. |  |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:05 - Apr 24 with 773 views | HARRY10 |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:51 - Apr 24 by StokieBlue |
That's a really weird post, even for you.
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eh ?
I'll try to post so you can understand
Bankchap comments on my using the word lackeys to describe 'fellow workers', on the thought that being a worker somehow sanctifies them and excludes any reason to criticise them
I point out that supposed 'fellow workers' have included those listed
not that difficult I would have thought.......even for you | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:11 - Apr 24 with 769 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 17:54 - Apr 24 by DJR |
It really is voter suppression, and comes right out of the playbook of right-wing US think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation, at which Dowden and more recently Truss (amongst others) have spoken.
Amongst other things the Heritage Foundation is very much into climate change denial, and even opposed the Biden military package for the war in Ukraine, so not a great bedfellow. It also doesn't like trans people (ring any bells?).
And as regards your point about people being happy to use photo ID, I never like taking my passport or driving licence out of the house unless absolutely necessary, and hang on to it for grim death.
But if they are to insist on ID, why don't they limit it to anything with your name on, because surely people aren't going to forge a bank card in someone's name just impersonate their vote? It certainly is particularly annoying that my Senior Railcard isn't valid, as you don't get that without photo ID.
Anyway, as well as the millions you mention (there will also need to be more staff to check ID), there is talk of the police having to draft in reinforcements because of possible problems at polling stations. Indeed, with voter ID perhaps we will end up with queues later in the day outside polling stations just like Dover. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 18:29]
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I find this a strange one.
The biggest issue that no one seems interested in addressing at all, is why do so many people not bother to vote at all?
The issue of voter fraud is a non-issue that has serious consequences if someone is found to be guilty anyway. Are there issues with photo ID and face coverings for some? However, there are simple ways around it with the ID document and postal voting. It will, inevitably put some off bothering. There is also an argument it is better to prevent an issue before it happens than to wait for evidence that it is happening before dealing with it. | |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:24 - Apr 24 with 762 views | StokieBlue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:05 - Apr 24 by HARRY10 |
eh ?
I'll try to post so you can understand
Bankchap comments on my using the word lackeys to describe 'fellow workers', on the thought that being a worker somehow sanctifies them and excludes any reason to criticise them
I point out that supposed 'fellow workers' have included those listed
not that difficult I would have thought.......even for you |
I understood it perfectly.
It's the weirdest possible example you could have chosen and it's distasteful and offensive.
Give it a rest.
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:26 - Apr 24 with 758 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 21:47 - Apr 24 by HARRY10 |
Those operating the gas chambers, rounding up Jews, Gypsies and children, the Milice/Quislings were also fellow workers
That does not exclude them from contempt, at least not from me |
Stop appropriating the Holocaust in order to make some weird point Harry. |  |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:29 - Apr 24 with 754 views | HARRY10 |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:11 - Apr 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I find this a strange one.
The biggest issue that no one seems interested in addressing at all, is why do so many people not bother to vote at all?
The issue of voter fraud is a non-issue that has serious consequences if someone is found to be guilty anyway. Are there issues with photo ID and face coverings for some? However, there are simple ways around it with the ID document and postal voting. It will, inevitably put some off bothering. There is also an argument it is better to prevent an issue before it happens than to wait for evidence that it is happening before dealing with it. |
Perhaps voters aren't issued with whatever you state.
Non voting has always been with us. Whether it can be considered a problem is another matter. Brexit demonstrated that folk often vote simply because it is the thing to do - with little thought in the matter. Which can actually be far more harmful.
I lost count of the number of clueless voters I spoke to who thought they were doing their 'patriotic duty' by voting Brexit, and did not have the slightest idea about the EU.
Many vote by emotion, which dishonest shysters such as Johnson and Farage have no qualms about playing on. That is the real problem.
As with Parliament, we have not got grips with exposing lies, and the liars. Until then we are stuck with kGB news, Fox and other lying media. | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:47 - May 4 with 590 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Just back from officially not voting. They did note and record my willingness to vote but not to present the ID so it should be registered. Sometimes you just have to go with what feels right.
Interesting chat with the officials and learned that students can vote at home and where they reside in term time! (Local elections only) | |
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| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 20:15 - May 4 with 543 views | DJR |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 19:47 - May 4 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Just back from officially not voting. They did note and record my willingness to vote but not to present the ID so it should be registered. Sometimes you just have to go with what feels right.
Interesting chat with the officials and learned that students can vote at home and where they reside in term time! (Local elections only) |
I asked the man in charge of the polling station if he could give an indication of how many had been denied a vote.
He said he was not allowed to.
Makes me wonder if we will ever get the truth but this is from the Guardian.
"Dozens of voters have been turned away at polling stations because they did not have valid photographic ID, ITV News reported.
Polling station tellers in Oxfordshire said “large numbers” are being turned away, reporting that between 10% and 25% have been unable to vote.
The Electoral Reform Society said it had seen “countless examples of people being denied their right to vote due to these new laws”." | | | |
| Polling day in a couple of weeks. on 22:40 - May 4 with 478 views | StokieBlue |
Initial reports of many thousands of voters turned away today all to combat the 6 cases of voting fraud at the last election.
Those on this thread defending it and saying it's not Tory gerrymandering need to take a look at themselves.
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