| Just seen this said on Twitter 15:35 - May 2 with 5571 views | textbackup |
And I actually couldn’t decided
Score if the 2000 team played the 2023 team?
(Realise we are talking a championship promotion vs a L1, but I’m not sure which way I’m siding) [Post edited 2 May 2023 15:36]
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:18 - May 2 with 1138 views | nrb1985 |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 18:53 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Well, like Noggin I don't get what you are saying - and for old money it's division 3 |
The 2000 team played in Division 1 and were promoted to the premier league. Therefore league one is the old division 2 - what don't you follow there?
And this team, went 4 wins from 15 in league one (division 2). Would you like me to draw you a diagram? |  | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:25 - May 2 with 1126 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:18 - May 2 by nrb1985 |
The 2000 team played in Division 1 and were promoted to the premier league. Therefore league one is the old division 2 - what don't you follow there?
And this team, went 4 wins from 15 in league one (division 2). Would you like me to draw you a diagram? |
Yes please.
Can you draw some extra for everyone else. |  |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:33 - May 2 with 1113 views | RIPbobby |
I think the modern team are a few levels up from 2000. Modern football is a lot more professional than it ever has been. |  | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:35 - May 2 with 1109 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
I don't think it's as simple as that (i.e. team that was a division higher level). Sure the 2000 team had great skill in lots of positions. But 23 years on, the fitness levels, training and tactics are, well, more than 2 decades ahead. The pace of movement and passing is just miles ahead now. In the same way that the team of 2000 would beat the 1962 Div 1 champions, so the current team would beat the 2000 team. Someone somewhere probably has stats on how many passes and the speed of closing down opponents. Much faster now than in 2000, and the shape of using Davis and Clarke as moving from a flat back 4 to wingbacks depending on who has the ball provides overlaps and effectively an extra man, only achievable if you have the fitness levels we have today. |  |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:43 - May 2 with 1097 views | nrb1985 |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:25 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes please.
Can you draw some extra for everyone else. |
I'm not sure other than you and noggin there's anyone else in the remedial class so I'll start with just doing it for the two of you. | | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:43 - May 2 with 1098 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:35 - May 2 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I don't think it's as simple as that (i.e. team that was a division higher level). Sure the 2000 team had great skill in lots of positions. But 23 years on, the fitness levels, training and tactics are, well, more than 2 decades ahead. The pace of movement and passing is just miles ahead now. In the same way that the team of 2000 would beat the 1962 Div 1 champions, so the current team would beat the 2000 team. Someone somewhere probably has stats on how many passes and the speed of closing down opponents. Much faster now than in 2000, and the shape of using Davis and Clarke as moving from a flat back 4 to wingbacks depending on who has the ball provides overlaps and effectively an extra man, only achievable if you have the fitness levels we have today. |
It's an argument that I understand but find difficult to accept.
So ultimately you are suggesting that this side would beat the 81 side - on a muddy pitch with a heavy ball? I understand what you are saying but I'm not buying that.
Would Tyson Fury beat Ali? I doubt that | |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:48 - May 2 with 1091 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:43 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
It's an argument that I understand but find difficult to accept.
So ultimately you are suggesting that this side would beat the 81 side - on a muddy pitch with a heavy ball? I understand what you are saying but I'm not buying that.
Would Tyson Fury beat Ali? I doubt that |
With the heavy old balls, that would even things up a bit. I specifically didn't mention the 81 side - the skill levels in that team were off the charts, and even though I have no doubt that our current fitness levels and formation are superior, the skill levels of the (arguably) best side in Europe in 81 would imho come out on top. That has to be the best Town side of all time. | |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:48 - May 2 with 1089 views | bazza |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:43 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
It's an argument that I understand but find difficult to accept.
So ultimately you are suggesting that this side would beat the 81 side - on a muddy pitch with a heavy ball? I understand what you are saying but I'm not buying that.
Would Tyson Fury beat Ali? I doubt that |
Ali G possibly. |  | | |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:09 - May 2 with 1066 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:48 - May 2 by LegendofthePhoenix |
With the heavy old balls, that would even things up a bit. I specifically didn't mention the 81 side - the skill levels in that team were off the charts, and even though I have no doubt that our current fitness levels and formation are superior, the skill levels of the (arguably) best side in Europe in 81 would imho come out on top. That has to be the best Town side of all time. |
It's a recurring - and very interesting - argument that cannot really be solved.
Two or three years back I was of the opinion that Ipswich 81 would beat the likes of Man C today but I think I am wrong on that if I'm honest - but if you use the argument of putting an old side into the right here right now then you have to flip that and put the new side back to what was
I think athletics is probably more so as the whole nutrition stuff has changed and athletics is more about performance than skill but Mark Spitz's goggles probably weighed more than the current champions shoes. | |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:12 - May 2 with 1062 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:18 - May 2 by nrb1985 |
The 2000 team played in Division 1 and were promoted to the premier league. Therefore league one is the old division 2 - what don't you follow there?
And this team, went 4 wins from 15 in league one (division 2). Would you like me to draw you a diagram? |
Broadhead, Luongo, Clarke and Hirst didn't go 4 wins in 15 in the third tier/League One.
That's more than 1/3 of the team.
We are comparing the Play Off winners with the team that just beat Exeter.
Otherwise you would have to take out Burley's reinforcements, for example Marcus Stewart, out of the equation, too. | | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:14 - May 2 with 1061 views | strikalite |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:43 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
It's an argument that I understand but find difficult to accept.
So ultimately you are suggesting that this side would beat the 81 side - on a muddy pitch with a heavy ball? I understand what you are saying but I'm not buying that.
Would Tyson Fury beat Ali? I doubt that |
This side would beat the 81 side pretty comfortably, it's mostly about the fitness level off the ball, these boys cover the ground at such a pace now, high press, interceptions, change of formation within games, it's like day and night...and I'm from your era so hate saying it... |  | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:29 - May 2 with 1047 views | nrb1985 |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:12 - May 2 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Broadhead, Luongo, Clarke and Hirst didn't go 4 wins in 15 in the third tier/League One.
That's more than 1/3 of the team.
We are comparing the Play Off winners with the team that just beat Exeter.
Otherwise you would have to take out Burley's reinforcements, for example Marcus Stewart, out of the equation, too. |
Ok then - so really what we're saying is that this team is somewhat dependent on four very good players from January who have proved themselves for half a season in league one? None of whom have much of a track record at a higher level.
I would imagine this debate is split between those of us who remember well the 2000 side and those of us who were either much younger or weren't around at all. | | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:32 - May 2 with 1043 views | Vic |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 15:53 - May 2 by clive_baker |
2000 team was better. Can't see many of our current team dislodging them. Space for Davis, Hirst, Chaplin, Broadhead on the bench maybe.
Mad that this is the first time in 20 odd years that you could make a very strong case for us having the best team in our division. Obviously easier to make that argument at a lower level but it's lovely innit. [Post edited 2 May 2023 15:55]
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Agreed. It’s just so nice to have a team we can be truly proud of. OK it’s the 3rd division but we’re still one of the best two of the bunch. Like you say, there were perhaps 2 or 3 seasons 25 years ago when we could at a push say that. Before that it was back in the glory years 40-50 years ago. Man, even writing that makes me feel very, very old and realise how long ago it was! |  |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 20:51 - May 2 with 1028 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 19:43 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
It's an argument that I understand but find difficult to accept.
So ultimately you are suggesting that this side would beat the 81 side - on a muddy pitch with a heavy ball? I understand what you are saying but I'm not buying that.
Would Tyson Fury beat Ali? I doubt that |
Yes, Tyson Fury would beat Ali. Ali is the most over-rated sportsman of all time. He lost to Leon Spinks. He lost to Ken Norton. He lost to Trevor Berbick!
He cheated to beat British Champion Henry Cooper.
He told everyone he was the greatest, and, bizarrely, people still believe him.
Look at his size and reach. Lennox Lewis, both Klitschko brothers and Tyson Fury would all destroy him.
To believe that Ali could beat Fury, you would have to convince me that he can hit harder than Deontay Wilder. I don't believe that he can.
Fury doesn't get the credit he deserves. Ali, still, gets too much. | | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 21:32 - May 2 with 1016 views | PremierBlue |
The way the 2023 team has been playing lately, I wouldn't rule out that they might have gotten into the Champ playoffs back in 2000. Regardless of quality, the football has developed since then. |  | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 21:36 - May 2 with 1012 views | ArnieM |
I think this 2023 team technically and tactically would win, by a few goals. |  |
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| Just seen this said on Twitter on 05:15 - May 3 with 971 views | Epiphone |
I’m old enough to have watched the 81 side and a three-way playoff between them,the current side and Burley’s would lead to some cracking games,impossible to say who would come out on top. |  | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 05:52 - May 3 with 944 views | Churchman |
Burley’s team would beat McKenna’s in my view. Probably give them a good game, but GBs side was pretty devastating. |  | | |
| Just seen this said on Twitter on 07:54 - May 3 with 898 views | BondiBlue |
Stewart, johnson and scowcroft would give woolfenden and burgess a lot more problems than they are used to in league one. Midfield would be interesting but morsy and luongo would do well to stop jim from running the show. Can't see hirst or ladapo getting much change out of mcgreal, mowbray and venus. 2023 might do ok in wide areas if davis and broadhead double up on wilnis and clarke and burns double up on clapham but 2000's two up top with scowie behind them would surely force 2023's full backs to do more defending.
Probably overthinking this. 2-1 to the 2000 team. 2023 score from a set piece. | |
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