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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… 10:21 - May 17 with 5469 viewsBloots

….seems ridiculous given that they’ve probably over achieved this season.

It brings into question what would have happened to McKenna if we had failed to get promoted this year.

With the investment and the ambition I suspect that questions would have been being asked by the ITFC money men.

Small margins innit.

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Europe, innit. (n/t) on 15:06 - May 17 with 748 viewsDubtractor

Europe, innit. (n/t) on 14:07 - May 17 by Bloots



I was thinking promotion to the European super league. We'd expect to be part of that surely?

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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 15:10 - May 17 with 737 viewsbobbyramsey

Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 10:23 - May 17 by Zx1988

Makes no sense whatsoever given the season they've had.

Yes they were poor last night, but Luton are a good side and it would be insane to pull the trigger based upon one poor performance.

Imagine if we'd sacked Burley after going out of the playoffs in 1997...


Yeah, we might have gained promotion in 1998 ;)
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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 17:01 - May 17 with 652 viewsDeano69

Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:30 - May 17 by Vegtablue

Yeah I'd be gobsmacked if club expectation* was for us to be in L1 for the 23/24 season.

*true for the period from April 2021 to January 2023 I'd wager.

Conceivable obviously. Imagine they saw an outside possibility for 20/21, were optimistic for 21/22 and confident for 22/23.


Evans expectations were somewhat different from the new regime

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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 17:59 - May 17 with 621 viewsWorcester

Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 10:35 - May 17 by Guthrum

Mogga giving the Ipswich threat next season a shout out by Guthrum 17 May 2023 10:33
That would be pretty abominable after reaching the playoffs in his first season at the club and their first back in the Championship.



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[Post edited 17 May 2023 10:35]


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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 20:14 - May 17 with 575 viewspeterleeblue

Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:38 - May 17 by Chrisd

Naturally, we are all seeing this from the outside and that Mowbray is an ex Town player and captain we have that emotional attachment to back him to the hilt. However, Sunderland have been a club in a terrible state over recent seasons, Mowbray is exactly the type of manager they need on the tiller to get them more on an even keel and then you have all this nonsense brewing?! They did brilliantly to finish in the top 6, surely no one was really expecting that at the start of the season? Hope rather than expectation.


The over achievement was based on the fact that Sunderland played the last 2 months without a fit centre half or out and out centre forward (Ross Stewart out since January).
Part of Mowbray's problem is that he is not involved in player recruitment. Sunderland had a relatively poor January Window and in the end owing to the injury crisis was their undoing in the end.
The Football was generally of a very high standard and compared to TM's ability to get a tune out of essentially a team of midfielders my main concern with Ipswich was that we dropped points as soon as our best players were unavailable (Broadhead and Morsy). The winning run coincided with a settled side and an injury free period. Overall the squad next season will need to get results irrespective of best player availability if we are to threaten the promotion places.
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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 20:49 - May 17 with 563 viewsTheBoyBlue

I really hope we're not going to become one of these clubs that throw the manager under bus after every rough patch. Yes, there are times when its obvious a manager isn't working, but its becoming obvious that clubs constantly chopping and changing managers are more an accelerant of a downward spiral rather than the cure of one.

Hopefully we're savvy enough to realise that in the long-run we're more likely to achieve success by sticking with a manager like McKenna and allow him to build something meaningful than attempt the quick-fix that mostly doesn't work.

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Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 20:35 - May 18 with 502 viewsSitfcB


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