| Oh Toney 10:55 - May 26 with 4658 views | FrimleyBlue |
Yep 8 months doesn't seem strong enough now imo.
Betting against your side is a big no no as a fan let alone a player! |  |
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| Oh Toney on 13:45 - May 26 with 773 views | Churchman |
| Oh Toney on 11:38 - May 26 by Guthrum |
I have a friend who is a gambling addict. It's a real, driving compulsion to keep putting bets on, chasing losses, always trying to get/"borrow"/beg money which is gone a day or so later. Can't bear to put small amounts on, has to throw as much as possible at short odds "dead certs", which more often turn out to be dead beats.
Effectively an illness, which neads treatment. Unfortunately, my friend is still at the "Isn't a problem, I don't do it that much any more" stage. |
I had a chum years ago who was a compulsive gambler. Working for a bank, the inevitable happened. He stole from everywhere, including dormant and dead peoples accounts. He’d move the money around which was easy as sometimes he’d win. He was charged in the end with taking about £120k net (late 80s). That was what could be proved, but because he won sometimes, the real amount was way more than that.
It got so bad that he started running bets for the bad guys and doing all sorts of stuff that could have seen him disposed of. He just couldn’t stop any of it. He told me when I saw him in later years that he got a buzz from betting in his own mind when he’d be arrested.
At the time, nobody had a clue including me. People suffering from addictions often hide them well from others and themselves. Ok I’d see him put £100 on a dog to win while I was doing my 50p reverse doubles, but I just assumed he was good.
Gambling is as big an addiction as drugs, cigarettes, alcohol. I’d ban all advertising on it, but that’s just my view. As far as Toney’s ban is concerned, if he’s betting for/against his own team, at what point can he be trusted after he’s served his ban not to fall back into bad ways?
One things for sure, the man needs help, as do all addicted gamblers. I too believe it’s an illness. |  | | |
| Oh Toney on 13:50 - May 26 with 738 views | Radlett_blue |
| Oh Toney on 13:45 - May 26 by Churchman |
I had a chum years ago who was a compulsive gambler. Working for a bank, the inevitable happened. He stole from everywhere, including dormant and dead peoples accounts. He’d move the money around which was easy as sometimes he’d win. He was charged in the end with taking about £120k net (late 80s). That was what could be proved, but because he won sometimes, the real amount was way more than that.
It got so bad that he started running bets for the bad guys and doing all sorts of stuff that could have seen him disposed of. He just couldn’t stop any of it. He told me when I saw him in later years that he got a buzz from betting in his own mind when he’d be arrested.
At the time, nobody had a clue including me. People suffering from addictions often hide them well from others and themselves. Ok I’d see him put £100 on a dog to win while I was doing my 50p reverse doubles, but I just assumed he was good.
Gambling is as big an addiction as drugs, cigarettes, alcohol. I’d ban all advertising on it, but that’s just my view. As far as Toney’s ban is concerned, if he’s betting for/against his own team, at what point can he be trusted after he’s served his ban not to fall back into bad ways?
One things for sure, the man needs help, as do all addicted gamblers. I too believe it’s an illness. |
I agree with you about the evils of gambling, which affect a minority of gamblers but sadly they are the ones who provide most of the gaming companies' profits. Therefore, they target them, whatever their avowed nonsense about Ray Winstone snarling at us to "gamble responsibly".
The problem is, the Government got into the gambling business itself when it launched the National Lottery. |  |
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| Oh Toney on 13:51 - May 26 with 738 views | BlueBadger |
| Oh Toney on 13:45 - May 26 by Churchman |
I had a chum years ago who was a compulsive gambler. Working for a bank, the inevitable happened. He stole from everywhere, including dormant and dead peoples accounts. He’d move the money around which was easy as sometimes he’d win. He was charged in the end with taking about £120k net (late 80s). That was what could be proved, but because he won sometimes, the real amount was way more than that.
It got so bad that he started running bets for the bad guys and doing all sorts of stuff that could have seen him disposed of. He just couldn’t stop any of it. He told me when I saw him in later years that he got a buzz from betting in his own mind when he’d be arrested.
At the time, nobody had a clue including me. People suffering from addictions often hide them well from others and themselves. Ok I’d see him put £100 on a dog to win while I was doing my 50p reverse doubles, but I just assumed he was good.
Gambling is as big an addiction as drugs, cigarettes, alcohol. I’d ban all advertising on it, but that’s just my view. As far as Toney’s ban is concerned, if he’s betting for/against his own team, at what point can he be trusted after he’s served his ban not to fall back into bad ways?
One things for sure, the man needs help, as do all addicted gamblers. I too believe it’s an illness. |
It's destructive, compulsive behaviour. It's totally an illness.
And the prevalence of advertising and the integration of it into football culture is both massive and appalling. [Post edited 26 May 2023 13:52]
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| Oh Toney on 13:52 - May 26 with 732 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Toney on 11:17 - May 26 by Trequartista |
Also, 11 out of the 13 bets "against his own team" were against Newcastle while he was on loan at Wigan and Scunthorpe, which makes a nice headline, but there were really only 2 bets against his own team (Wigan) in games he didn't play in.
Of course he should still be punished, but the punishment fits the crime in my opinion |
Yep, I was going to post this. It's bad, but the OP makes it look worse than it is. If he was betting on his team to lose when he was playing for them, that would be much much worse. |  |
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| Oh Toney on 13:58 - May 26 with 721 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Extending the ban won't make it any better. The fact he's admitted stopping betting on football but continues to bet on other sports, means he really needs support, and help with his addiction Prolonging the ban would just fuel the addiction IMO. Hope he gets the help he needs, and i hope football takes a long hard look at it's association with gambling. |  |
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| Oh Toney on 14:06 - May 26 with 710 views | Churchman |
| Oh Toney on 13:50 - May 26 by Radlett_blue |
I agree with you about the evils of gambling, which affect a minority of gamblers but sadly they are the ones who provide most of the gaming companies' profits. Therefore, they target them, whatever their avowed nonsense about Ray Winstone snarling at us to "gamble responsibly".
The problem is, the Government got into the gambling business itself when it launched the National Lottery. |
There’s some real hypocrisy about this please gamble responsibility stuff. The last thing they want is people with a compulsion is stop. And the whole point is that if you are addicted you can’t stop.
I you are right about the government and tax take from gambling. I’ve no idea what it is, but I suspect the numbers aren’t small. | | | |
| Oh Toney on 15:56 - May 26 with 663 views | hochiblue |
| Oh Toney on 13:33 - May 26 by Radlett_blue |
In late 1962, Sheffield Wednesday player David Layne suggested that Wednesday were likely to lose their match on 1 December 1962 against Ipswich Town and suggested to his fellow players Peter Swan and Tony Kay that they ensure the outcome. The three all bet against their own side in the match, which Ipswich won 2—0 with two goals from Ray Crawford. In an interview with The Times newspaper in July 2006, Peter Swan said "We lost the game fair and square, but I still don’t know what I’d have done if we’d been winning. It would have been easy for me to give away a penalty or even score an own goal. Who knows?” |
Always thought Swan might have had the No.5 shirt for England in 1966. I met Kaye in about 1970. He kept a bar in Salou, Costa Dorada, and did water ski coaching. Had all his cuttings up on the walls of his bar.
From memory, the other two got their player's licences back (in their 30s) but he didn't bother. |  | | |
| Oh Toney on 16:30 - May 26 with 630 views | Radlett_blue |
| Oh Toney on 15:56 - May 26 by hochiblue |
Always thought Swan might have had the No.5 shirt for England in 1966. I met Kaye in about 1970. He kept a bar in Salou, Costa Dorada, and did water ski coaching. Had all his cuttings up on the walls of his bar.
From memory, the other two got their player's licences back (in their 30s) but he didn't bother. |
Swan would have been an outsider for the England squad for 1966, but Ramsey hadn't picked him during the 1963-64 season when the scandal broke.
Tony Kay would also have had a shot. Ramsey gave him his first cap in June 1963, but he hadn't been picked again when the scandal broke in April 1964. | |
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| Oh Toney on 16:40 - May 26 with 618 views | Bluespeed225 |
She could tell me anything though. | | | |
| Oh Toney on 22:41 - May 26 with 548 views | HatStand |
Anyone know what Toney's done, in a play off acca? | |
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