| Just watched the highlights 03:55 - Aug 27 with 6138 views | Illinoisblue |
Hard to know which of the 4 we conceded was the worst. The 1st probably as we had three chances to make a challenge but failed to do so. Hladky’s spill looks worse every time you see it.
On the bright side, carved Leeds open plenty of times and if our own penalty area wasn’t such a crime scene the result could have been very different.
Bounce back v Cardiff won’t be easy - not sure any championship game is ever easy - and hopefully add a couple new faces this week.
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| Just watched the highlights on 11:58 - Aug 27 with 1645 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Just watched the highlights on 11:01 - Aug 27 by NthQldITFC |
Can't see whether Hladky gave him a call or not, but I'm pretty sure not because Hladky is covering the centre of the goal as the cross comes in. If you watch the highlights, the first view of the goal, as Hladky's feet come in to shot he's just scrambling to the middle of the goal, away from Davis/Gnonto. This is because he's seen the flight of the ball is ideal for Rutter to attack in the middle.
In fact, Burgess puts a great block on Rutter, but Hladky still had to cover that. Then he scrambles back out to the far post to try to cover Gnonto. Can't see what more Hladky could have done except maybe spread himself a bit better and gone more at Gnonto than across the goal. Davis should have knocked that behind. |
Totally agree with this, if Rutter had headed that in the same people blaming Hladky for covering him and not the far post would be hammering Hladky for giving Rutter an open goal as he would be totally wrongly positioned.
He had to cover the possible header from Rutter who was the biggest threat as the ball came in. It was a great cross, right in the corridor of uncertainty. Davis however was criminal at the back post, totally switched off his man. [Post edited 27 Aug 2023 12:00]
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| Just watched the highlights on 12:41 - Aug 27 with 1586 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Just watched the highlights on 08:36 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
Reading this back, how concerned should we be about Woolfenden? Added to this, he was pretty slow in ball distribution yesterday - albeit not the only one - too.
Guess I'm looking for reassurance rather than being the first to say he should be replaced. I suppose it didn't help him playing between two players who were not 100% fit. |
I’ve been saying for ages that Woolfy taking too long to move ball. This allows opponents to regroup one of his strengths is getting forward and putting other teams under pressure. One day he might even have a shot and score!!
I’m in a quandary about Jackson. Apart from his pace he’ll offer others chances like yesterday so we definitely need another quality striker as Freddie not good enough. |  | | |
| Just watched the highlights on 15:02 - Aug 27 with 1544 views | BlueForYou |
Terrible goalkeeping for goals 2&3. He just seemed to lose all confidence in himself. Made a couple of decent saves in the second half, but your keeper can’t give away goals like those. |  | | |
| [Redacted] on 15:45 - Aug 27 with 1517 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just watched the highlights on 15:02 - Aug 27 by BlueForYou |
Terrible goalkeeping for goals 2&3. He just seemed to lose all confidence in himself. Made a couple of decent saves in the second half, but your keeper can’t give away goals like those. |
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| Just watched the highlights on 15:52 - Aug 27 with 1503 views | AlanG296 |
Agree, collective errors, such as the ineffectual defending at right back on goals 2, 3 & 4. Leeds were simply better up front than we were at the back. | | | |
| Just watched the highlights on 16:22 - Aug 27 with 1462 views | franz_tyson |
Being positive - maybe we've had a batch of defensive errors all in one game. Rather than spread out - hopefully. And it might be good timing as it doesn't hide any weaknesses just before the transfer deadline. Another clean sheet and we might have kidded ourselves everything's all yood and we don't need another CB. And Hirst not being avaliable makes a bigger case for another forward. Could have easily won that game if we were just a bit better in both boxes. | | | |
| Just watched the highlights on 20:33 - Aug 27 with 1378 views | FrimleyBlue |
Don't think clarke did wrong on the first. You'd expect one of 4 town players would have got a leg in.. had we won the ball clarke was then in position for us to break.
One player should not be able to beat 4 town players. Unless he's Messi. |  |
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| Just watched the highlights on 14:34 - Aug 28 with 1286 views | RobTheMonk |
I think the first goal is mainly down to Wolfie myself. Burgess gets done for pace, but he was never going to keep up with their player from the position he was in. Morsy could have fouled but would have got a yellow. The finish was excellent.
You're probably looking at Hladky to come and do something with the cross for the second. As Westlake said, it's bounced in the 6 yard box. Davis should have done better once the keeper wasn't coming for it. Might have needed a shout if he didn't get on though.
Hladky was due someone capitialising on one of his saves back into the danger zone. It's happened a few times this season and we've got away with it (there was similar against Sunderland).
Some coaching to push to ball away is needed there.
The last goal was an excellent counter from Leeds to be fair.
And we also scored 3 goals and were in positions to score more.
I'm hoping we've got all the defensive mistakes out in one game. You're always going to have a mistake somewhere that leads to a goal at this level -we just got loads in one game which is unusual for us. |  | | |
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| Just watched the highlights on 15:53 - Aug 28 with 1265 views | ArnieM |
| Just watched the highlights on 08:36 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
Reading this back, how concerned should we be about Woolfenden? Added to this, he was pretty slow in ball distribution yesterday - albeit not the only one - too.
Guess I'm looking for reassurance rather than being the first to say he should be replaced. I suppose it didn't help him playing between two players who were not 100% fit. |
You make the very points ivf been trying to raise gif done done months. This is not a witch hunt by me, just my observations of him.
Saturday was the first time the opposition really got balls into our box on a regular basis , and our CB’s in my humble opinion failed to deal with the basic art of defending. Marshall/ dominate your opponent don’t let him go where he what’s to or certainly make him “ work” to achieve his aim. Clear out lines efficiently/ effectively. Deal with high balls into the box. I’m not concerned about his good Woolfie is at “ bringing the ball out” . That’s the initiation of attack, not “defence /defending”. Don’t get me wrong he’s improved a lot, but he’s not especially quick (at this level), so if he makes a mistake the opponent has gone. He doesn’t header particularly strongly ( lacks distance and direction us anyone guess).
Out of our senior CB’s Burgess is by far the most natural and strongest “ defender”. However he was struggling to hang into his s h it in that 10-15 min spell. It’s about players taking responsibility and making the right choices. On Saturday ( for a spell), defensively too many players “ left it to someone else” to deal with the threat Leeds were imposing on us.
1st goal: Woolfie was right up the player’s backside. But he allows the player to run with the ball along the edge of the box, running into areas that 2 other Town players were in. Woolfie then leaves his man and jogs ( drops?) back into the 6 yard area. WHY??? Is it because he’s left the decision to deal with the threat to two other Blue shirts? He should have held the guy up, stuck with him, kept his body between him and the goal.
2nd goal: Leeds ping the cross ( shot?) in towards the far post . Hladky (I think) makes the decision to leave it thinking it’s going wide. Davis either misjudges the danger too, and thinks it’s going wide and out or he’s asleep, totally unaware of the Leeds player nipping in to score. So neither Town player takes responsibility for dealing with the threat!
3rd goal: Poor goal keeper handling. Yes Clark should have prevented the ball coming in or shot getting off. But it didn’t seem a particularly hard shot . Poor again from the defence.
4th goal: arguably a foul on Morsy just prior. Plus a “ cold” Williams to the pace of the game having just come on.
Attack: “ If only” Burns had taken that 2nd goal we would have been flying way before Leeds applied pressure.
Overall : We did really well against a PL team…. But we are,
Not clinical enough from our attackers (we had so many really good chances we should have taken).
And our,
Defence is not strong enough against the better quality players we will face. Our defence has in my view largely been protected by our ability to play a stunning level of team possession football. If opponents don’t have the ball, they can’t hurt you, or get the ball into our box. When teams do, I think we can struggle. |  |
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| Just watched the highlights on 22:36 - Aug 28 with 1193 views | Facefacts |
| Just watched the highlights on 15:53 - Aug 28 by ArnieM |
You make the very points ivf been trying to raise gif done done months. This is not a witch hunt by me, just my observations of him.
Saturday was the first time the opposition really got balls into our box on a regular basis , and our CB’s in my humble opinion failed to deal with the basic art of defending. Marshall/ dominate your opponent don’t let him go where he what’s to or certainly make him “ work” to achieve his aim. Clear out lines efficiently/ effectively. Deal with high balls into the box. I’m not concerned about his good Woolfie is at “ bringing the ball out” . That’s the initiation of attack, not “defence /defending”. Don’t get me wrong he’s improved a lot, but he’s not especially quick (at this level), so if he makes a mistake the opponent has gone. He doesn’t header particularly strongly ( lacks distance and direction us anyone guess).
Out of our senior CB’s Burgess is by far the most natural and strongest “ defender”. However he was struggling to hang into his s h it in that 10-15 min spell. It’s about players taking responsibility and making the right choices. On Saturday ( for a spell), defensively too many players “ left it to someone else” to deal with the threat Leeds were imposing on us.
1st goal: Woolfie was right up the player’s backside. But he allows the player to run with the ball along the edge of the box, running into areas that 2 other Town players were in. Woolfie then leaves his man and jogs ( drops?) back into the 6 yard area. WHY??? Is it because he’s left the decision to deal with the threat to two other Blue shirts? He should have held the guy up, stuck with him, kept his body between him and the goal.
2nd goal: Leeds ping the cross ( shot?) in towards the far post . Hladky (I think) makes the decision to leave it thinking it’s going wide. Davis either misjudges the danger too, and thinks it’s going wide and out or he’s asleep, totally unaware of the Leeds player nipping in to score. So neither Town player takes responsibility for dealing with the threat!
3rd goal: Poor goal keeper handling. Yes Clark should have prevented the ball coming in or shot getting off. But it didn’t seem a particularly hard shot . Poor again from the defence.
4th goal: arguably a foul on Morsy just prior. Plus a “ cold” Williams to the pace of the game having just come on.
Attack: “ If only” Burns had taken that 2nd goal we would have been flying way before Leeds applied pressure.
Overall : We did really well against a PL team…. But we are,
Not clinical enough from our attackers (we had so many really good chances we should have taken).
And our,
Defence is not strong enough against the better quality players we will face. Our defence has in my view largely been protected by our ability to play a stunning level of team possession football. If opponents don’t have the ball, they can’t hurt you, or get the ball into our box. When teams do, I think we can struggle. |
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| Just watched the highlights on 22:43 - Aug 28 with 1188 views | pointofblue |
| Just watched the highlights on 15:53 - Aug 28 by ArnieM |
You make the very points ivf been trying to raise gif done done months. This is not a witch hunt by me, just my observations of him.
Saturday was the first time the opposition really got balls into our box on a regular basis , and our CB’s in my humble opinion failed to deal with the basic art of defending. Marshall/ dominate your opponent don’t let him go where he what’s to or certainly make him “ work” to achieve his aim. Clear out lines efficiently/ effectively. Deal with high balls into the box. I’m not concerned about his good Woolfie is at “ bringing the ball out” . That’s the initiation of attack, not “defence /defending”. Don’t get me wrong he’s improved a lot, but he’s not especially quick (at this level), so if he makes a mistake the opponent has gone. He doesn’t header particularly strongly ( lacks distance and direction us anyone guess).
Out of our senior CB’s Burgess is by far the most natural and strongest “ defender”. However he was struggling to hang into his s h it in that 10-15 min spell. It’s about players taking responsibility and making the right choices. On Saturday ( for a spell), defensively too many players “ left it to someone else” to deal with the threat Leeds were imposing on us.
1st goal: Woolfie was right up the player’s backside. But he allows the player to run with the ball along the edge of the box, running into areas that 2 other Town players were in. Woolfie then leaves his man and jogs ( drops?) back into the 6 yard area. WHY??? Is it because he’s left the decision to deal with the threat to two other Blue shirts? He should have held the guy up, stuck with him, kept his body between him and the goal.
2nd goal: Leeds ping the cross ( shot?) in towards the far post . Hladky (I think) makes the decision to leave it thinking it’s going wide. Davis either misjudges the danger too, and thinks it’s going wide and out or he’s asleep, totally unaware of the Leeds player nipping in to score. So neither Town player takes responsibility for dealing with the threat!
3rd goal: Poor goal keeper handling. Yes Clark should have prevented the ball coming in or shot getting off. But it didn’t seem a particularly hard shot . Poor again from the defence.
4th goal: arguably a foul on Morsy just prior. Plus a “ cold” Williams to the pace of the game having just come on.
Attack: “ If only” Burns had taken that 2nd goal we would have been flying way before Leeds applied pressure.
Overall : We did really well against a PL team…. But we are,
Not clinical enough from our attackers (we had so many really good chances we should have taken).
And our,
Defence is not strong enough against the better quality players we will face. Our defence has in my view largely been protected by our ability to play a stunning level of team possession football. If opponents don’t have the ball, they can’t hurt you, or get the ball into our box. When teams do, I think we can struggle. |
But then, we have a young backline. Is it a case of exposure will result in experience and development which will hold us in good stead in the medium to long term, especially with the likes of Williams, Clarke, Davis and Woolfenden, though perhaps some short term pain? | |
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| Just watched the highlights on 12:16 - Aug 29 with 1101 views | portmanroadblue |
I put it down as a very bad day at the office for the back 4 and keeper. We have got away with a few bad defensive errors in recent games, so we was always going to get caught out eventually. |  | | |
| Just watched the highlights on 13:02 - Aug 29 with 1059 views | Matt_Netherlands |
If Burns scores his one on one chance whilst we are 1-0 up then the game could’ve been totally different. he wasn’t clinical enough in that situation and 90 seconds later it’s 1-1. Fine margins. |  | | |
| Just watched the highlights on 13:26 - Aug 29 with 1050 views | Herbivore |
| Just watched the highlights on 13:02 - Aug 29 by Matt_Netherlands |
If Burns scores his one on one chance whilst we are 1-0 up then the game could’ve been totally different. he wasn’t clinical enough in that situation and 90 seconds later it’s 1-1. Fine margins. |
Yeah, that feels like a big moment looking back on the game. 2-0 down, their heads likely drop and they struggle to get back into it, imo. Not seen it back as it didn't make the highlights but it looked an excellent chance at the time. |  |
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| Just watched the highlights on 13:54 - Aug 29 with 1031 views | Steve_M |
| Just watched the highlights on 13:26 - Aug 29 by Herbivore |
Yeah, that feels like a big moment looking back on the game. 2-0 down, their heads likely drop and they struggle to get back into it, imo. Not seen it back as it didn't make the highlights but it looked an excellent chance at the time. |
Leeds were much sharper than we were when they got the ball around the penalty area, in many ways they did what we did to sides last season. That Burns chance epitomises that difference I think. |  |
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| Just watched the highlights on 13:55 - Aug 29 with 1028 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Just watched the highlights on 13:26 - Aug 29 by Herbivore |
Yeah, that feels like a big moment looking back on the game. 2-0 down, their heads likely drop and they struggle to get back into it, imo. Not seen it back as it didn't make the highlights but it looked an excellent chance at the time. |
It’s not in the packaged highlights but just watched it back on the Town TV full match replay (worth the £5 a month to dissect moments like this)
His first touch basically takes him back in towards the defenders meaning he never got a proper shot away. If he lets the ball run across him then it’s 2-0! | | | |
| Just watched the highlights on 14:27 - Aug 29 with 1003 views | Herbivore |
| Just watched the highlights on 13:54 - Aug 29 by Steve_M |
Leeds were much sharper than we were when they got the ball around the penalty area, in many ways they did what we did to sides last season. That Burns chance epitomises that difference I think. |
Yep, they scored the first three times they really got near our penalty area and by that time we'd already threatened just as many times (if not more) ourselves with only one goal to show for it. I guess that's what £80m of attacking talent gets you. Frustrating as we didn't defend well enough either, notwithstanding the obvious quality we were up against, but I take a lot of heart from how much we were able to hurt Leeds, particularly as we managed it without our first choice striker. | |
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