| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:47 - Sep 26 with 3915 views | DJR |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:44 - Sep 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I really hate this line of argument. Suella Braverman is a vile, nasty toxic person. She should not be defined by her ethnicity or her parents migration status.
Attack her for her vile words and deeds. Not her ethnicity.
Otherwise we are saying that she isn't as British as you or I. |
It's not me that is attacking her. It is that her speech appears to be attacking her parents or people like her parents.
There is a subtle difference but I fully accept what you say, and would never question her Britishness, the right for her to take whatever line she wants on immigration or the right of her parents to come here.
She's more British than me anyway because she was born here. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 9:56]
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:59 - Sep 26 with 3870 views | jayessess |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:47 - Sep 26 by DJR |
It's not me that is attacking her. It is that her speech appears to be attacking her parents or people like her parents.
There is a subtle difference but I fully accept what you say, and would never question her Britishness, the right for her to take whatever line she wants on immigration or the right of her parents to come here.
She's more British than me anyway because she was born here. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 9:56]
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Presumably Braverman's line would be that her parents were "high quality immigrants", who availed themselves of a legal migration route. Suppose it's by the by that her 1960s political analogues were just as hostile to that migration as she is to contemporary refugees. The route Christie Fernandes took was closed by successive Labour and Conservative governments, who anxiously wrote new legislation to make sure no-one else like him could make the same journey - the 1968 and 1971 Commonwealth Immigration Acts.
Apparently both parents were big Tories and avid campaigners for the unreconstructed Powellite Rhodes Boyson (MP for Brent 1974-97), so presumably they're perfectly fine with their daughter's antics. [Post edited 26 Sep 2023 17:03]
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 17:12 - Sep 26 with 3833 views | DJR |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:59 - Sep 26 by jayessess |
Presumably Braverman's line would be that her parents were "high quality immigrants", who availed themselves of a legal migration route. Suppose it's by the by that her 1960s political analogues were just as hostile to that migration as she is to contemporary refugees. The route Christie Fernandes took was closed by successive Labour and Conservative governments, who anxiously wrote new legislation to make sure no-one else like him could make the same journey - the 1968 and 1971 Commonwealth Immigration Acts.
Apparently both parents were big Tories and avid campaigners for the unreconstructed Powellite Rhodes Boyson (MP for Brent 1974-97), so presumably they're perfectly fine with their daughter's antics. [Post edited 26 Sep 2023 17:03]
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But if you look at her speech it wasn't just confined to what she would call illegal immigration.
Take this passage.
"More than one in five births are to foreign-born mothers. Due to immigration and high birth rates among foreign-born mothers, English secondary schools will need to find an extra 213,000 places by 2026 compared to 2020."
I rather doubt that many of those foreign-born mothers were "illegal migrants".
No doubt many were migrants from the EU, but having left, we now have supposed control of the borders, and she is Home Secretary, so if the Government is concerned about the effect of immigration on public services, why did it allow 1.2 million to migrate to the UK in 2022?
Incidentally, the comment about high birth rates is something that has been thrown at immigrants for many decades, if not more.
EDIT: here's something I've found about the "high birth rates" of Muslims.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/muslim-overpopulation-
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 18:17 - Sep 26 with 3774 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 17:12 - Sep 26 by DJR |
But if you look at her speech it wasn't just confined to what she would call illegal immigration.
Take this passage.
"More than one in five births are to foreign-born mothers. Due to immigration and high birth rates among foreign-born mothers, English secondary schools will need to find an extra 213,000 places by 2026 compared to 2020."
I rather doubt that many of those foreign-born mothers were "illegal migrants".
No doubt many were migrants from the EU, but having left, we now have supposed control of the borders, and she is Home Secretary, so if the Government is concerned about the effect of immigration on public services, why did it allow 1.2 million to migrate to the UK in 2022?
Incidentally, the comment about high birth rates is something that has been thrown at immigrants for many decades, if not more.
EDIT: here's something I've found about the "high birth rates" of Muslims.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/muslim-overpopulation-
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Good god, she is literally attacking her mother. In this case, and saying this very much tongue in cheek, I agree with her - it would have been much better if her parents hadn’t been allowed to come here and have kids! |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:23 - Sep 26 with 3711 views | BlueBadger |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:29 - Sep 26 by Leaky |
Take it your not impressed |
*you're. |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:25 - Sep 26 with 3713 views | BlueBadger |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 13:59 - Sep 26 by DJR |
Yes, it certainly looks like political positioning, as well as ingratiating herself with the sort of right wing US organisations that support Trump, who may well win the Presidency. |
Ironically, the sort of nazis(let's call them what they are, they are people who hate PC Woke speech and will enjoy me Telling It Like It Is) that she's cosying up to will see her as a useful idiot, at best. [Post edited 26 Sep 2023 19:42]
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:34 - Sep 26 with 3683 views | eireblue |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:02 - Sep 26 by Blueschev |
It's been proven to be a toxic combination for Europe over the last few decades!?? If only Europe could rewind a few decades to the good old days of the 30s/40s, what a golden era. |
She also seems to have gotten away with making this racist statement.
"Multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to integrate," she said adding: "It has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it.”
Followed by
"And, in extreme cases, they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of society." |  | | |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:38 - Sep 26 with 3657 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:34 - Sep 26 by eireblue |
She also seems to have gotten away with making this racist statement.
"Multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to integrate," she said adding: "It has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it.”
Followed by
"And, in extreme cases, they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of society." |
Without wishing to invoke Godwin's law, that last paragraph is straight out of 1930's Germany. |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 20:42 - Sep 26 with 3607 views | DJR |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:38 - Sep 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Without wishing to invoke Godwin's law, that last paragraph is straight out of 1930's Germany. |
The UK didn't do itself especially proud when it came to Jewish people fleeing the Nazis, but just as well Braverman wasn't in charge then, or many of the 70,000 who reached the UK before the war probably wouldn't have got here with attitudes such as hers. [Post edited 26 Sep 2023 20:43]
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 20:48 - Sep 26 with 3589 views | thatbdude |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 20:42 - Sep 26 by DJR |
The UK didn't do itself especially proud when it came to Jewish people fleeing the Nazis, but just as well Braverman wasn't in charge then, or many of the 70,000 who reached the UK before the war probably wouldn't have got here with attitudes such as hers. [Post edited 26 Sep 2023 20:43]
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Br*verman's attitude today is worryingly similar to M*sley's attitude back in the 1930s |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:43 - Sep 26 with 3560 views | J2BLUE |
It's clear what the Tory strategy is for the next election.
I know some on here aren't massively impressed with Starmer but it's him and Labour or Sunak and a cabinet full of people like this. |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:53 - Sep 26 with 3533 views | matteoblue |
If this thread represented public opinion, we're finished!  |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 07:54 - Sep 27 with 3417 views | DJR |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:43 - Sep 26 by J2BLUE |
It's clear what the Tory strategy is for the next election.
I know some on here aren't massively impressed with Starmer but it's him and Labour or Sunak and a cabinet full of people like this. |
I am a critic myself, but what you say is bang on. | | | |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 08:05 - Sep 27 with 3395 views | Herbivore |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 17:12 - Sep 26 by DJR |
But if you look at her speech it wasn't just confined to what she would call illegal immigration.
Take this passage.
"More than one in five births are to foreign-born mothers. Due to immigration and high birth rates among foreign-born mothers, English secondary schools will need to find an extra 213,000 places by 2026 compared to 2020."
I rather doubt that many of those foreign-born mothers were "illegal migrants".
No doubt many were migrants from the EU, but having left, we now have supposed control of the borders, and she is Home Secretary, so if the Government is concerned about the effect of immigration on public services, why did it allow 1.2 million to migrate to the UK in 2022?
Incidentally, the comment about high birth rates is something that has been thrown at immigrants for many decades, if not more.
EDIT: here's something I've found about the "high birth rates" of Muslims.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/muslim-overpopulation-
[Post edited 27 Sep 2023 8:27]
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She's sailing very close to the great replacement theory there, a far right conspiracy that is more or less straight out of the 1920s/30s Germany playbook. That she is out Home Secretary really highlights what a piss weak excuse for a PM Sunak is. |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 08:23 - Sep 27 with 3376 views | DJR |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 08:05 - Sep 27 by Herbivore |
She's sailing very close to the great replacement theory there, a far right conspiracy that is more or less straight out of the 1920s/30s Germany playbook. That she is out Home Secretary really highlights what a piss weak excuse for a PM Sunak is. |
The following passage is pretty chilling too, with the implication that many people in Leicester (and presumably elsewhere in the UK) do not consider them British, a common trope in history against Jewish people and other racial and ethnic groups.
"We are living with the consequence of [the failure of multiculturism] today. You can see it play out on the streets of cities all over Europe. From Malmo, to Paris, Brussels, to Leicester. It is 13 years since Merkel gave her speech, and I’m not sure that very much has changed since.
If people are not able to settle in our countries, and start to think of themselves as British, American, French, or German, then something is going badly wrong."
EDIT: And by singling out Leicester, it is non-white immigration that she draws attention to, something that she presumably think plays well to the gallery. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 8:37]
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 09:25 - Sep 27 with 3333 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 08:05 - Sep 27 by Herbivore |
She's sailing very close to the great replacement theory there, a far right conspiracy that is more or less straight out of the 1920s/30s Germany playbook. That she is out Home Secretary really highlights what a piss weak excuse for a PM Sunak is. |
Little does she realise she is the very embodiment of the Great Replacement Theory...... |  |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 09:48 - Sep 27 with 3298 views | DJR |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 09:25 - Sep 27 by Ewan_Oozami |
Little does she realise she is the very embodiment of the Great Replacement Theory...... |
And it presumably plays well to tap into that theory, given this from 2018 Cambridge University research.
"Originally formulated in French far-right circles, the widespread belief in a supposedly outlandish nativist conspiracy theory known as the ‘great replacement’ is an important marker and predictor of the Trump and Brexit votes,” said Leal. Some 41% of Trump voters and 31% of Brexit voters subscribed to this theory, compared with 3% of Clinton voters and 6% of Remain voters."
But the irony is that our leaving the EU has actually increased non-white immigration (eg. nurses from the Philippines). [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 9:57]
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 10:19 - Sep 27 with 3259 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:06 - Sep 26 by DJR |
Or maybe uncontrolled immigration is meant to include the 1.2 million who migrated to the UK in 2022, when the Tories were in power. |
“Or maybe uncontrolled immigration is meant to include the 1.2 million who migrated to the UK in 2022, when the Tories were in power”
I don’t think the record level of migration is any mistake, rather an attempt to suppress wages for their business owning donors. The ‘boat crossings’ are just a bit of red meat to distract from this point. The DM crowd seemed to have turned on them a long time ago, so it’s hard to see who they have left to appeal to at this point (other than aforementioned wealthy business owners). |  | | |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:37 - Sep 27 with 3123 views | jacobnikons |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 19:25 - Sep 26 by BlueBadger |
Ironically, the sort of nazis(let's call them what they are, they are people who hate PC Woke speech and will enjoy me Telling It Like It Is) that she's cosying up to will see her as a useful idiot, at best. [Post edited 26 Sep 2023 19:42]
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nazis?? mate you are deluded and your language is totally over the top. you are coming across as a bit of an authoritarian type yourself name calling people simply because they do not share your political view, grow up! |  | | |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 22:12 - Sep 27 with 3087 views | BlueBadger |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:37 - Sep 27 by jacobnikons |
nazis?? mate you are deluded and your language is totally over the top. you are coming across as a bit of an authoritarian type yourself name calling people simply because they do not share your political view, grow up! |
What is it you like best about Suella Braverman, the bigotry, the hatred of basic human rights, the corruption or the incompetence? | |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 22:28 - Sep 27 with 3060 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:43 - Sep 26 by J2BLUE |
It's clear what the Tory strategy is for the next election.
I know some on here aren't massively impressed with Starmer but it's him and Labour or Sunak and a cabinet full of people like this. |
Depressingly correct. I wish ‘none of the above’ actually counted for something, as choosing between different colours of inadequacy is pretty grim. | |
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| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 22:30 - Sep 27 with 3059 views | eireblue |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 21:37 - Sep 27 by jacobnikons |
nazis?? mate you are deluded and your language is totally over the top. you are coming across as a bit of an authoritarian type yourself name calling people simply because they do not share your political view, grow up! |
Have you just told someone they are deluded and should grow up just because you don’t share their view? | | | |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 02:39 - Sep 29 with 2900 views | BlueBadger |
| The government are bigoted sociopaths pandering to scumbags part 697635421743612 on 16:01 - Sep 26 by baxterbasics |
That may be so, but my money is on Penny Mordaunt getting the gig. If she is still interested of course. Her or Badenoch. |
Mordaunt is the 'Cameron candidate'. Still a vile sociopath, but capable of masking it. Badenough is a straight up vile sociopath. | |
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