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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) 10:16 - Nov 15 with 4500 viewsChaplinsLob

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 15:24 - Nov 15 with 1893 viewsNeedhamChris

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 11:41 - Nov 15 by pointofblue

But concerning that, on a poll the BBC just published, 48% of the British public support or tend to support the policy whilst 18% Don't know. That's over 60% who are in support, don't know enough or don't care enough.


The reporting of this policy has been tragically bad though.

I would wager many of those people think the proposal is for people to be sent to Rwanda to have their UK asylum claims processed, when in reality there is no route for them to get asylum in the UK - only Rwanda.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 15:58 - Nov 15 with 1842 viewsRyorry

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 11:41 - Nov 15 by pointofblue

But concerning that, on a poll the BBC just published, 48% of the British public support or tend to support the policy whilst 18% Don't know. That's over 60% who are in support, don't know enough or don't care enough.


That’s bloody shocking. And sad.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 18:36 - Nov 15 with 1789 viewsMattinLondon

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 15:58 - Nov 15 by Ryorry

That’s bloody shocking. And sad.


Is it really that shocking? A population that voted to self-harm itself by voting for Brexit, millions of people who voted in a serial lier for PM to form a government made up of the corrupt, the incompetent and corrupt incompetents.

The UK has turned into a nasty hate-filled country.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 19:19 - Nov 15 with 1754 viewsHerbivore

So if I'm reading it right the government's plan is to pass legislation to say that Rwanda is safe despite all evidence to the contrary in the hope that this creates a legal situation that bypasses the Supreme Court's ruling? That is utterly batsh!t. Sunak really is a heady combination of May's lack of personability, Johnson's duplicitous snakery, and Truss's utter incompetence. He offers absolutely nothing to anyone.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:13 - Nov 16 with 1653 viewsSwansea_Blue

Sunak needs to find another place that’s grim enough to act as a deterrent.

How about Hull?

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:22 - Nov 16 with 1631 viewsHerbivore

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:13 - Nov 16 by Swansea_Blue

Sunak needs to find another place that’s grim enough to act as a deterrent.

How about Hull?


Looks like he's replacing Rwanda with Rwánda. Definitely not the same country and definitely well safe.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:27 - Nov 16 with 1623 viewsRyorry

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:13 - Nov 16 by Swansea_Blue

Sunak needs to find another place that’s grim enough to act as a deterrent.

How about Hull?


Hull has the saving grace of the Humber Bridge, which is incredibly beautiful both from the ground and the bridge itself, as well as being an amazing & fascinating piece of engineering.

Well worth allowing an extra hour to pay it a visit for those travelling to our away fixture there on 27th April. Spectacular views from the footbridge, f.o.c., as well as detailed, interesting info boards on the construction.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:48 - Nov 16 with 1597 viewsDJR

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:27 - Nov 16 by Ryorry

Hull has the saving grace of the Humber Bridge, which is incredibly beautiful both from the ground and the bridge itself, as well as being an amazing & fascinating piece of engineering.

Well worth allowing an extra hour to pay it a visit for those travelling to our away fixture there on 27th April. Spectacular views from the footbridge, f.o.c., as well as detailed, interesting info boards on the construction.


I visited Hull back in the 70s when it was one of my choices for university.

The areas I visited were very nice, and my abiding memory was of very wide streets.

And it's where the marvellously radical band, the Housemartins, originated.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:54 - Nov 16 with 1585 viewsZapers

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 11:41 - Nov 15 by pointofblue

But concerning that, on a poll the BBC just published, 48% of the British public support or tend to support the policy whilst 18% Don't know. That's over 60% who are in support, don't know enough or don't care enough.


It would appear that Britain is not the only country in Europe concerned with illegal immigration.

Several countries within the Schengen area are allegedly tightening border controls to try and control illegal immigration and terrorism.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:06 - Nov 16 with 1565 viewsWhos_blue

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:48 - Nov 16 by DJR

I visited Hull back in the 70s when it was one of my choices for university.

The areas I visited were very nice, and my abiding memory was of very wide streets.

And it's where the marvellously radical band, the Housemartins, originated.

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That superb album is almost criminally underrated.

The lyrics on Flag day are very poignant.

The album is well worth a listen.

(I do love the way threads often meander on here!)

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:26 - Nov 16 with 1539 viewsHerbivore

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 09:54 - Nov 16 by Zapers

It would appear that Britain is not the only country in Europe concerned with illegal immigration.

Several countries within the Schengen area are allegedly tightening border controls to try and control illegal immigration and terrorism.


But Brexiteers told us it wasn't possible for individual countries within the EU to control their borders?

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 16 with 1520 viewsZapers

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:26 - Nov 16 by Herbivore

But Brexiteers told us it wasn't possible for individual countries within the EU to control their borders?


The reintroduction of border checks in the EU is allowed under exceptional circumstances.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 16 with 1518 viewsHerbivore

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 16 by Zapers

The reintroduction of border checks in the EU is allowed under exceptional circumstances.


Oh, so they lied?

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:38 - Nov 16 with 1512 viewsDJR

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:06 - Nov 16 by Whos_blue

That superb album is almost criminally underrated.

The lyrics on Flag day are very poignant.

The album is well worth a listen.

(I do love the way threads often meander on here!)


Absolutely, and Happy Hour is not the happy song many thought it was. Both the video and lyrics were perhaps the first (only?) to call out sexism at work.

Happy that the fire is real, the barman is a she

It's another night out with the boss
Following in footsteps overgrown with moss
And he tells me that women grow on trees
And if you catch them right, they will land upon their knees

Where they open all their wallets, and they close all their minds
And they love to buy you all a drink, and then we ask all the questions
And you take all your clothes off and go back to the kitchen sink

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:42 - Nov 16 with 1502 viewsZapers

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 16 by Herbivore

Oh, so they lied?


Exceptional circumstances after Brussels have been notified first.

I have no idea if Brussels lied but my guess is that there has to be a high degree of concern and risk for these controls to be reintroduced.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:46 - Nov 16 with 1488 viewsHerbivore

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:42 - Nov 16 by Zapers

Exceptional circumstances after Brussels have been notified first.

I have no idea if Brussels lied but my guess is that there has to be a high degree of concern and risk for these controls to be reintroduced.


Or maybe it was always the case that immigration from outside the EU has always been an area over which sovereign nations have a lot of control? Just a thought.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:52 - Nov 16 with 1464 viewsZapers

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:46 - Nov 16 by Herbivore

Or maybe it was always the case that immigration from outside the EU has always been an area over which sovereign nations have a lot of control? Just a thought.


If the wording is 'exceptional circumstances' I suspect your assumption is incorrect.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 16 with 1451 viewsDanTheMan

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:52 - Nov 16 by Zapers

If the wording is 'exceptional circumstances' I suspect your assumption is incorrect.


Are you not conflating dealing with asylum seekers and dealing with general non-EU immigration here? We always had control over non-EU immigration.

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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 16 with 1449 viewsBlueschev

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:52 - Nov 16 by Zapers

If the wording is 'exceptional circumstances' I suspect your assumption is incorrect.


The UK had a unique deal and were not part of Schengen, so the exceptional circumstances caveat didn't apply to us.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:59 - Nov 16 with 1422 viewsZapers

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 16 by Blueschev

The UK had a unique deal and were not part of Schengen, so the exceptional circumstances caveat didn't apply to us.


I wasn't referencing the UK, i was referring to countries in the EU.
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Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 11:17 - Nov 16 with 1393 viewsHerbivore

Not looking good for the Government's Rwanda policy... (n/t) on 10:59 - Nov 16 by Zapers

I wasn't referencing the UK, i was referring to countries in the EU.


Which also have significant control over non-EU immigration:

"If you’re a non-EU national looking to move to an EU country for work, study or to join a family member, you may be entitled to certain rights under EU immigration rules. The EU and EU countries share competences in this area, but it’s up to each EU country to take the final decision on individual migrant applications. In areas where no EU rules have been adopted, EU countries can also set the conditions on obtaining residence and work permits in their country."

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