| Just the 27 point lead for Labour 22:59 - Jan 17 with 10344 views | ElderGrizzly |
Tories back to Liz Truss levels of support.
But Starmer once wrote a textbook or something..
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:32 - Jan 18 with 1120 views | leitrimblue |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:13 - Jan 18 by Pinewoodblue |
Telling people what they want to hear will always be a vote winner. In a way Corbyn proved that last election. |
What Labour voters want to hear about tax cuts for the richest in society? |  | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:38 - Jan 18 with 1100 views | itfcjoe |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:00 - Jan 18 by DJR |
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
OR
"If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck ...."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/01/17/rachel-reeves-hints-at-labour-ta
As the link may be paywalled, this is the introduction.
Rachel Reeves has hinted at tax cuts for top earners as the shadow chancellor attempts to recast Labour as the party of economic growth.
Ms Reeves vowed to ensure “success is celebrated” under a Labour government as she outlined ambitions to ease the burden of Rishi Sunak’s multi-year stealth tax raid on workers.
Speaking to The Telegraph at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she said that lowering taxes on “working people” remains a priority, including those paying the highest 45p rate.
Ms Reeves said that freezing income tax thresholds in the face of rising inflation “has affected people paying the top rate of tax and the basic rate of tax, and both of those groups of people are working hard, but getting less every month in their pay packets.”
She added: “My instinct is to have lower taxes.” [Post edited 18 Jan 9:08]
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We'll see what alternate plans are - but ultimately workers - and that includes well paid workers - have been squeezed and squeezed over the last few years and it doesn't touch the sides of those with real wealth, those with unearned income and I would be happy to see lower income taxes and loopholes closed elsewhere on wealth creation |  |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:38 - Jan 18 with 1100 views | DJR |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:13 - Jan 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
However, asked if she agreed that she wanted lower taxes on workers “across the spectrum”, including those earning above £100,000, the shadow chancellor responded: “Yes”. |
Even some of the super rich want to be taxed more, but this is anathema to those in Davos, including Reeves.
https://proudtopaymore.org/ |  | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:42 - Jan 18 with 1077 views | Blueschev |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:17 - Jan 18 by DJR |
The gradual abandonment of everything that Starmer stood for made me resign a couple of months ago from a party that bears no resemblance to the party it once was, even under Brown or Miliband (who was seen as a dangerous lefty by the Blairites).
I also resigned in 2003, not because of Iraq but because of the direction that Blair was taking the party in, but re-joined when Brown took over. [Post edited 18 Jan 9:18]
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I'm still a member, though I'm no longer active, solely because I'm desperate to rid us of this horrible government. But I don't hold out much hope for change.
The press are warming to Labour because the public are sick of the Tories and Labour will be seen as a change without actually doing a great deal to change things. Then when more of the same doesn't make things better, the press can turn and blame it all on Labour. |  | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:45 - Jan 18 with 1060 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:38 - Jan 18 by DJR |
Even some of the super rich want to be taxed more, but this is anathema to those in Davos, including Reeves.
https://proudtopaymore.org/ |
‘Tax is more’ - Nobody is stopping them paying more..donate to hospitals, schools etc ‘patriotic millionaires’…unbelievable stuff. |  | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:52 - Jan 18 with 1033 views | DJR |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:38 - Jan 18 by itfcjoe |
We'll see what alternate plans are - but ultimately workers - and that includes well paid workers - have been squeezed and squeezed over the last few years and it doesn't touch the sides of those with real wealth, those with unearned income and I would be happy to see lower income taxes and loopholes closed elsewhere on wealth creation |
But Labour have made it clear they don't want to go after those with real wealth, in the form of, say, a wealth tax, increased tax on unearned income or capital gains, or increased council tax, the result being a £20 million property in Kensington is subject to a lower council tax than a Band C property in Ipswich.
And we have to look to Western Europe, which have higher taxes and better public services, because the people there accept that is the thing to do. | | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:54 - Jan 18 with 1019 views | leitrimblue |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:38 - Jan 18 by DJR |
Even some of the super rich want to be taxed more, but this is anathema to those in Davos, including Reeves.
https://proudtopaymore.org/ |
Think I'd still just rather eat um  | | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:57 - Jan 18 with 1005 views | DJR |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:45 - Jan 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
‘Tax is more’ - Nobody is stopping them paying more..donate to hospitals, schools etc ‘patriotic millionaires’…unbelievable stuff. |
The campaign is also supported by Oxfam, and surely it is better to fund public services by taxation rather than charity, even though many of the super rich are philanthropists? [Post edited 18 Jan 9:58]
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:59 - Jan 18 with 993 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:52 - Jan 18 by DJR |
But Labour have made it clear they don't want to go after those with real wealth, in the form of, say, a wealth tax, increased tax on unearned income or capital gains, or increased council tax, the result being a £20 million property in Kensington is subject to a lower council tax than a Band C property in Ipswich.
And we have to look to Western Europe, which have higher taxes and better public services, because the people there accept that is the thing to do. |
Well said, and inheritance tax - as you say the truly wealthy (ie not the well paid but those with assets) are never targeted. And the press always convince the masses that it applies to them even though it would in reality be the 0.5%. | | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:01 - Jan 18 with 976 views | DanTheMan |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:45 - Jan 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
‘Tax is more’ - Nobody is stopping them paying more..donate to hospitals, schools etc ‘patriotic millionaires’…unbelievable stuff. |
Taxation is far more effective than a handful willingly donating.
I agree with what Joe said above, taxation on workers is a problem, and then we have all of those "wealthy" people who do no work but rake in the cash from dividends and other assets. Those are the ones to target.
Hard to do though when they can just move money and assets about on a whim. And successive Governments in the UK have enabled them to do so. |  |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:04 - Jan 18 with 943 views | NthQldITFC |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:52 - Jan 18 by DJR |
But Labour have made it clear they don't want to go after those with real wealth, in the form of, say, a wealth tax, increased tax on unearned income or capital gains, or increased council tax, the result being a £20 million property in Kensington is subject to a lower council tax than a Band C property in Ipswich.
And we have to look to Western Europe, which have higher taxes and better public services, because the people there accept that is the thing to do. |
It's disgusting, that's what it is.
A massive let down at a time when there should be real opportunity, born out of obvious necessity, for change. |  |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:06 - Jan 18 with 926 views | Guthrum |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:29 - Jan 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Seems a weird base to target given it’s so small it’s not going to swing an election. You’d think few people on that money would be voting for this government anyway given their handling or the economy and pushing Brexit through.
Still I guess MP’s have got to think of how their post political career earnings are going to be taxed… |
And funding for their political parties, "loans" and "gifts" for home improvements or school fees (now they can't be siphoned from expenses) and the like.
As for swinging elections, the owners and editors of many media sources (plus their social circles) are in that earning bracket |  |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:06 - Jan 18 with 925 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:01 - Jan 18 by DanTheMan |
Taxation is far more effective than a handful willingly donating.
I agree with what Joe said above, taxation on workers is a problem, and then we have all of those "wealthy" people who do no work but rake in the cash from dividends and other assets. Those are the ones to target.
Hard to do though when they can just move money and assets about on a whim. And successive Governments in the UK have enabled them to do so. |
You can’t move a mansion offshore though! CGT is difficult to avoid to, it’s ridiculous wealthy business owners (and some footballers etc) are therefore paying a lower rate of tax than an NHS nurse.
I mean this is a government that were happy to let Russian crooks and Putin cronies hide their assets in the UK and look where that got us… | | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:07 - Jan 18 with 924 views | Blueschev |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 09:59 - Jan 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Well said, and inheritance tax - as you say the truly wealthy (ie not the well paid but those with assets) are never targeted. And the press always convince the masses that it applies to them even though it would in reality be the 0.5%. |
I've said it before, set inheritance tax at 100%. We'd then see who gets to the top by working hard and weed out those who's success is largely down to their ancestry. | | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:40 - Jan 18 with 863 views | ElderGrizzly |
Or a 50 point lead if you only look at those under 50
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:50 - Jan 18 with 824 views | NthQldITFC |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:40 - Jan 18 by ElderGrizzly |
Or a 50 point lead if you only look at those under 50
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Now there's some hope there, but the next swing we need to see is Lab > Grn. | |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:04 - Jan 18 with 790 views | DanTheMan |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:06 - Jan 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
You can’t move a mansion offshore though! CGT is difficult to avoid to, it’s ridiculous wealthy business owners (and some footballers etc) are therefore paying a lower rate of tax than an NHS nurse.
I mean this is a government that were happy to let Russian crooks and Putin cronies hide their assets in the UK and look where that got us… |
But what you can do is register that mansion as belonging to an offshore entity where the actual ownership is very difficult to determine.
All fun and games.
Tax does need to be looked at though. Inheritance tax as mentioned in the thread seems like an easy win to me but it's rather annoying that the public is so against it despite being very unlikely to ever be hit by it. | |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:09 - Jan 18 with 789 views | blueasfook |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 08:57 - Jan 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
They have been decimating the country for about 50 years and yet strangely a lot of people that got fat off it have failed to notice. Fortunately though they can now vote Labour too for more of the same. Heady days indeed. |
Interesting point. I certainly won't be voting Conservative in the GE, but I am not exactly convinced by Keir Starmer either. Lib-Dems just no! A vote for a minority party such as Greens is just a wasted vote basically.
Who the hell do I vote for?! |  |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:12 - Jan 18 with 775 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 10:50 - Jan 18 by NthQldITFC |
Now there's some hope there, but the next swing we need to see is Lab > Grn. |
It’s also why there is some hope in the USA, with younger voters and those of non-white background favouring the Democrats.
It’s also why the Republicans are doing all they can to ‘fix’ boundaries and make it harder to vote now to avoid wipeout in a few electoral cycles time | | | |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:13 - Jan 18 with 770 views | DanTheMan |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:09 - Jan 18 by blueasfook |
Interesting point. I certainly won't be voting Conservative in the GE, but I am not exactly convinced by Keir Starmer either. Lib-Dems just no! A vote for a minority party such as Greens is just a wasted vote basically.
Who the hell do I vote for?! |
Whatever the least worst option is.
Exciting times! | |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:14 - Jan 18 with 762 views | blueasfook |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:13 - Jan 18 by DanTheMan |
Whatever the least worst option is.
Exciting times! |
Depressing isn't it. When all the options are so crap, you don't know who to vote for! | |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:16 - Jan 18 with 746 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 08:38 - Jan 18 by Herbivore |
I think this is more about how awful the Tories have shown themselves to be since 2019 (and beforehand, but they've really ramped it up since 2019) than it is about Starmer being seen as an especially good leader. There's little enthusiasm for Starmer but he is in the position of leading the other party at a time when the Tories are rightly loathed. You could stick Paul Lambert in charge of Labour and they should still win the next election. |
Could you put the previous Labour leader in charge and expect to win the next election? |  |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:19 - Jan 18 with 722 views | blueasfook |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:16 - Jan 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Could you put the previous Labour leader in charge and expect to win the next election? |
Oof! Will be interesting to see if he keeps his seat as an independent. I expect the champagne socialist luvvies of Islington will keep him in. | |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:24 - Jan 18 with 691 views | itfcjoe |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:19 - Jan 18 by blueasfook |
Oof! Will be interesting to see if he keeps his seat as an independent. I expect the champagne socialist luvvies of Islington will keep him in. |
28/1 for London Mayor, great odds | |
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| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:29 - Jan 18 with 671 views | blueasfook |
| Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 11:24 - Jan 18 by itfcjoe |
28/1 for London Mayor, great odds |
Not this time around. Mayoral elections are in May this year. I'd have thought he'd have thrown his hat into the ring by now if he was going to run.
Looking at the candidates, I think poor London is getting more Sadiq Khan. | |
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