Just the 27 point lead for Labour 22:59 - Jan 17 with 10346 views | ElderGrizzly | Tories back to Liz Truss levels of support. But Starmer once wrote a textbook or something..
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:16 - Jan 18 with 1456 views | Blueschev |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:12 - Jan 18 by blueasfook | Well you're wrong. Quite simply. Fortunately we only do have hypothetical evidence of what Corbyn would have done because he was universally rejected by the electorate. As Joe said, Boris is a bit of a loose cannon in terms of his lifestyle but in terms of his stance on British values and defence, he can't be questioned. On Ukraine for example, he immediately stepped up and provided support. Jezza's response? Sign a StopTheWar Coaliton letter blaming NATO expansion! Just stop now. Bored. |
Johnson has no values, British or otherwise. As for his "heroics" regarding Ukraine, running off to Ukraine to do a third rate Churchill impression in order to deflect from his self-inflicted disasters at home really isn't much of an achievement. | | | |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:25 - Jan 18 with 1423 views | Herbivore |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:12 - Jan 18 by blueasfook | Well you're wrong. Quite simply. Fortunately we only do have hypothetical evidence of what Corbyn would have done because he was universally rejected by the electorate. As Joe said, Boris is a bit of a loose cannon in terms of his lifestyle but in terms of his stance on British values and defence, he can't be questioned. On Ukraine for example, he immediately stepped up and provided support. Jezza's response? Sign a StopTheWar Coaliton letter blaming NATO expansion! Just stop now. Bored. |
You're an interesting case study in the capacity of the right wing media to brainwash those who lack capacity for critical thinking. I'm also bored now, I need better sparring partners to sustain my interest. | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:27 - Jan 18 with 1415 views | blueasfook |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:16 - Jan 18 by Blueschev | Johnson has no values, British or otherwise. As for his "heroics" regarding Ukraine, running off to Ukraine to do a third rate Churchill impression in order to deflect from his self-inflicted disasters at home really isn't much of an achievement. |
Boris took the same line as all European leaders in supporting Ukraine. Only one political figure I know of started bleating about NATO expansion. Guess who that was? Thankfully someone whose opinion doesnt really matter. | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:28 - Jan 18 with 1417 views | Herbivore |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:16 - Jan 18 by Blueschev | Johnson has no values, British or otherwise. As for his "heroics" regarding Ukraine, running off to Ukraine to do a third rate Churchill impression in order to deflect from his self-inflicted disasters at home really isn't much of an achievement. |
It's amazing how readily people fall for a bit of flag shagging and grandstanding. I've provided concrete examples of Johnson being a risk to national security and he's ignored them, instead claiming he can't be questioned on British values or defence. Just shows how easily and effectively media spin can influence people. | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:50 - Jan 18 with 1360 views | NthQldITFC |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:12 - Jan 18 by blueasfook | Well you're wrong. Quite simply. Fortunately we only do have hypothetical evidence of what Corbyn would have done because he was universally rejected by the electorate. As Joe said, Boris is a bit of a loose cannon in terms of his lifestyle but in terms of his stance on British values and defence, he can't be questioned. On Ukraine for example, he immediately stepped up and provided support. Jezza's response? Sign a StopTheWar Coaliton letter blaming NATO expansion! Just stop now. Bored. |
Johnson was the champion for the destruction of British values and the abandonment of the British people to the great, fat god of asset-stripping as far as I could see, but apart from that... | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:16 - Jan 18 with 1321 views | Herbivore |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:50 - Jan 18 by NthQldITFC | Johnson was the champion for the destruction of British values and the abandonment of the British people to the great, fat god of asset-stripping as far as I could see, but apart from that... |
That good old British value of letting the bodies pile high...... | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:42 - Jan 18 with 1287 views | catch74 | This is pretty incredible
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:45 - Jan 18 with 1278 views | blueasfook |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:16 - Jan 18 by Herbivore | That good old British value of letting the bodies pile high...... |
What were you saying about being brainwashed by what you read in the press? That was an accusation made by Dominic Cummings who didn't at all have an axe to grind, no sir! | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:47 - Jan 18 with 1275 views | positivity |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:42 - Jan 18 by catch74 | This is pretty incredible
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maybe my fellow over-'50s should have a test to see if they are still fit to vote, like the driving licence! | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:52 - Jan 18 with 1265 views | positivity |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:45 - Jan 18 by blueasfook | What were you saying about being brainwashed by what you read in the press? That was an accusation made by Dominic Cummings who didn't at all have an axe to grind, no sir! |
would that be the dominic cummings employed and installed by boris johnson? such a good judge of character... | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:58 - Jan 18 with 1249 views | blueasfook |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:52 - Jan 18 by positivity | would that be the dominic cummings employed and installed by boris johnson? such a good judge of character... |
Lol, divert, deflect, swerve. You should go on that dancing show with your moves Herby | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 17:03 - Jan 18 with 1240 views | positivity |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 16:58 - Jan 18 by blueasfook | Lol, divert, deflect, swerve. You should go on that dancing show with your moves Herby |
"swerve" is exactly what cummings accused boris of... he may have been a complete disaster, but the shopping trolley metaphor was probably his greatest contribution to the country wondering about the mentality of someone who *still* thinks boris is competent! what's "herby" got to do with it, btw? | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 18:09 - Jan 18 with 1133 views | MattinLondon |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 15:50 - Jan 18 by NthQldITFC | Johnson was the champion for the destruction of British values and the abandonment of the British people to the great, fat god of asset-stripping as far as I could see, but apart from that... |
Boris and his chums have unfortunately been responsible for a lot of the cynicism which now envelops British politics. At the beginning he was never a believer in Brexit but through clever foresight was able to effectively become the poster-boy for it. I actually think that he knows that he has limits and plays the old bumbling public schoolboy so well that a lot of people think he’s that clever erratic fella who is always game for a laugh. I do think that he knows that Brexit is a disaster but doesn’t really care - he knows that he only cares about his wallet and power. I’m pretty sure that he knows that he’ll go down as a really bad PM but is content with the fact that he’s made a mark on history albeit a bad mark. He was well out of his depth during Covid but unfortunately the yes-people he surrounded himself with were either corrupt, morally bankrupt or intelligently challenged. And so didn’t offer any real help and tried to undermine mainstream scientific thought on the virus. I do think that at heart he tries to do the right thing but he simply cannot help himself in being the selfish fella who always thinks that he can act his way out of a fix. Fortunately (for him that is) the Labour Party as well as the ‘remain’ campaign we’re both awful and led by idiots. Corbyn being one of the biggest hindrances. In truth from Corbyn becoming leader to the referendum to Covid and to now, have all been terrible for the UK. I know that Sir Keir isn’t everyone’s cup-of-tea but he seems to be a decent middle grounder who might bring in some sensible policies not based on demonising minorities or xenophobia. Sir Keir is by far the best option currently. [Post edited 18 Jan 18:11]
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 18:59 - Jan 18 with 1087 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Interesting to see as I was going to say that turn out will likely be low. I'm hoping for less than 50% to give them no legitimacy whatsoever. https://nota-uk.org/ | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 19:33 - Jan 18 with 1038 views | DJR |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 18:09 - Jan 18 by MattinLondon | Boris and his chums have unfortunately been responsible for a lot of the cynicism which now envelops British politics. At the beginning he was never a believer in Brexit but through clever foresight was able to effectively become the poster-boy for it. I actually think that he knows that he has limits and plays the old bumbling public schoolboy so well that a lot of people think he’s that clever erratic fella who is always game for a laugh. I do think that he knows that Brexit is a disaster but doesn’t really care - he knows that he only cares about his wallet and power. I’m pretty sure that he knows that he’ll go down as a really bad PM but is content with the fact that he’s made a mark on history albeit a bad mark. He was well out of his depth during Covid but unfortunately the yes-people he surrounded himself with were either corrupt, morally bankrupt or intelligently challenged. And so didn’t offer any real help and tried to undermine mainstream scientific thought on the virus. I do think that at heart he tries to do the right thing but he simply cannot help himself in being the selfish fella who always thinks that he can act his way out of a fix. Fortunately (for him that is) the Labour Party as well as the ‘remain’ campaign we’re both awful and led by idiots. Corbyn being one of the biggest hindrances. In truth from Corbyn becoming leader to the referendum to Covid and to now, have all been terrible for the UK. I know that Sir Keir isn’t everyone’s cup-of-tea but he seems to be a decent middle grounder who might bring in some sensible policies not based on demonising minorities or xenophobia. Sir Keir is by far the best option currently. [Post edited 18 Jan 18:11]
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My view is that the greatest damage to the country (in the form of austerity) occurred during the coalition government, but Cameron and Clegg were such spiffing people that they got away without any blame. | | | |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:14 - Jan 18 with 996 views | MattinLondon |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 19:33 - Jan 18 by DJR | My view is that the greatest damage to the country (in the form of austerity) occurred during the coalition government, but Cameron and Clegg were such spiffing people that they got away without any blame. |
I’m not that they got away without any blame. The Lib Dem’s certainly have been harmed much more than the Tories- and they attract much more criticism than what the Tories received. But on a personal level maybe you’re right. On the side, it seems that if you talk in a perceived accent then you must be intelligent - which isn’t the case. | | | |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:31 - Jan 18 with 958 views | DJR |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:14 - Jan 18 by MattinLondon | I’m not that they got away without any blame. The Lib Dem’s certainly have been harmed much more than the Tories- and they attract much more criticism than what the Tories received. But on a personal level maybe you’re right. On the side, it seems that if you talk in a perceived accent then you must be intelligent - which isn’t the case. |
Absolutely. In addition, Oxford has produced 13 of the 16 prime ministers since the Second World War, and look where that has got us. They are Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson and Tony Blair for Labour; Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron, Therese May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak for the Conservatives. James Callaghan and John Major did not go to university, and Gordon Brown went to Edinburgh. A true meritocracy! [Post edited 18 Jan 20:32]
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:33 - Jan 18 with 949 views | Herbivore |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:31 - Jan 18 by DJR | Absolutely. In addition, Oxford has produced 13 of the 16 prime ministers since the Second World War, and look where that has got us. They are Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson and Tony Blair for Labour; Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron, Therese May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak for the Conservatives. James Callaghan and John Major did not go to university, and Gordon Brown went to Edinburgh. A true meritocracy! [Post edited 18 Jan 20:32]
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Did Truss get in to fulfil some kind of quota? | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:47 - Jan 18 with 925 views | DJR |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:33 - Jan 18 by Herbivore | Did Truss get in to fulfil some kind of quota? |
I'm sure I read somewhere that her dad (an academic) had a hand in getting her a place. What I suppose gets me about people like her, and other politicians from privileged backgrounds, is that they have a supreme confidence. Most ordinary people who effed up the country or failed badly would feel remorse, but not people like Cameron, Blair, Truss or Johnson. [Post edited 18 Jan 20:48]
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 22:42 - Jan 18 with 865 views | Clapham_Junction |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 13:25 - Jan 18 by giant_stow | yeah we're screwed. Taxing wealth is the only option now I think. |
Rather than reducing taxes, one thing that I think the government can do to put more money in people's pockets is to reduce the cost of living, some of which it can do for free (and save money itself). Things like: - Rent controls will reduce rents and cut the government's housing benefit bill - Tighter regulation of utility markets (lowering price caps) with the eventual view to renationalisation. The privatised energy system is very cost inefficient as you have several layers taking profit out of the system (National Grid, the district network operators, generators and suppliers), some of which are monopolies - Subsiding public transport at similar levels to European countries - Take back direct control of the Bank of England and reduce interest rates. Using interest rates - by forcing people's mortgage repayment costs up - to control inflation is a blunt and cruel tool (and is ineffective when inflation is being driven by external factors like the energy crisis) | | | |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 22:54 - Jan 18 with 840 views | positivity |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 20:31 - Jan 18 by DJR | Absolutely. In addition, Oxford has produced 13 of the 16 prime ministers since the Second World War, and look where that has got us. They are Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson and Tony Blair for Labour; Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron, Therese May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak for the Conservatives. James Callaghan and John Major did not go to university, and Gordon Brown went to Edinburgh. A true meritocracy! [Post edited 18 Jan 20:32]
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that is an odd stat, what's going on at cambridge?! | |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 22:56 - Jan 18 with 836 views | lowhouseblue |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 22:42 - Jan 18 by Clapham_Junction | Rather than reducing taxes, one thing that I think the government can do to put more money in people's pockets is to reduce the cost of living, some of which it can do for free (and save money itself). Things like: - Rent controls will reduce rents and cut the government's housing benefit bill - Tighter regulation of utility markets (lowering price caps) with the eventual view to renationalisation. The privatised energy system is very cost inefficient as you have several layers taking profit out of the system (National Grid, the district network operators, generators and suppliers), some of which are monopolies - Subsiding public transport at similar levels to European countries - Take back direct control of the Bank of England and reduce interest rates. Using interest rates - by forcing people's mortgage repayment costs up - to control inflation is a blunt and cruel tool (and is ineffective when inflation is being driven by external factors like the energy crisis) |
inflation now isn't driven by external factors - those currently are deflationary. current inflation is explained by core inflation which is down to the labour market and the service sector. inflationary shocks can certainly be triggered by external factors such as energy prices, but inflation persistence (which we now have) is usually down to the labour market and hence the unavoidable role of interest rates as a policy tool. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 23:13 - Jan 18 with 811 views | NthQldITFC |
Just the 27 point lead for Labour on 22:54 - Jan 18 by positivity | that is an odd stat, what's going on at cambridge?! |
Punts. | |
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