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I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. 11:01 - Feb 4 with 5813 views

Having seen the extended highlights:

I hadn't realised in real time how clear-cut the foul on Morsy was for the first goal - Keane just went right through the back of Morsy, hands out to push him too.

The second was (literally) at least a yard, probably a yard and a half offside - frame by frame it on youtube extended highlights if you're in ANY doubt. Attacker's right shoulder vs. Edmundson's right hand are the markers (Clarke was upfield of Edmundson at moment of delivery)

The outrageous thing is that in both cases the officials were in perfect position to see both events perfectly and there's absolutely no excuse for either of them. The ref for the first was static and had an unimpeded view from 20 yards and perpendicular to the contact so would have seen it VERY clearly. For the second, the linesman was bang in line and couldn't have failed to see the offside (maybe there was an orange jacket in the crowd is all I can think of).

Absolutely rank officiating, disgraceful. Not sure if it does any good at all, but I'd, for once, be thinking of an official complaint for those two events.

Edit: To officially gift Preston 2 goals inside the first 10 minutes effectively cost us the game and allowed the ex-Premier League monopoly to finally take shape.

Edit again: I'm gonna say 1 yard offside (not 1 ½) - those grass stripes are 6 yards (3 in 18 yard penalty box) - attacker's shoulder is one third of a stripe goalside and Fridge's hand one sixth at the moment the pass is made - nevertheless unmissable for a competent linesman in line.

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I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 15:59 - Feb 4 with 1128 views

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I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:44 - Feb 4 by LankHenners

It's a strange one as the refs are monitored and essentially given ranking points based on their performance which can move them up or down on a league table which in turn determines the profile of match they're allowed to officiate, but Championship games are often incredibly competitive and physical where the officials have a lot to look out for and have to be really really switched on.

As such, despite there probably being more pressure on a Prem game than a mid table Champ clash, it seems almost unfair that a ref deemed not ready for a Prem game is then given a Champ match as 'punishment' where they can still perform as badly just a bit more out of the public eye.

As you say something for PGMOL to consider as the Championship shouldn't suffer because of issues with Prem refs.

I think the whole thing of moving refs down a league or two as a "punishment" is totally unacceptable actually - why should any of the other 72 clubs have poor referees foisted on them instead? Their promotion & relegation chances are going to suffer just as much from incompetent refs, and with arguably more serious financial implications too, esp if they get relegated from the EFL altogether.


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I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 16:24 - Feb 4 with 1082 views

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I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 15:29 - Feb 4 by longtimefan

My thoughts are the opposite way around. I can generally excuse an assistant getting an offside call wrong. It’s simple from a video still, far less so in real time. I’m actually surprised how many close calls assistants get right. However, the push on Morsy by Keene is just blatant. He gets nowhere near the ball and just puts two hands in the back. With the view the ref had he really should be calling that every time.

If its a tight call through a crowd of players maybe, but when you're side on they're usually clear as flippin day, if you're keeping up with play and doing your job properly.

And if they can't keep up with play or do the main job theyre there for, so many times you see them wait for the ref to award throw ins too, maybe they aren't cut out to be an assistant ref at this level.

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 16:36 - Feb 4 with 1073 views

Vegtablue

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 15:41 - Feb 4 by ArnoldMoorhen
It is the part of the body which can legitimately play the ball which is closest to the goal which determines the relative positions of the two players. So Edmundson's position is further from the goal than you are saying, as his hand and most of his arm don't count.

Don't think you meant to address me in this reply, but I read NthQ's description as markers for seeing how obvious the offside was, rather than where he thought the lines should go. Felt we were getting overly technical for what was humongous offside.

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:08 - Feb 5 with 943 views

HalifaxBlue

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:44 - Feb 4 by LankHenners

I see what you are saying, but if it isn't them, it's League One refs coming up. Is that much better? There isn't really a stable of great Championship referees just sitting around waiting for games while we give them to Premier League refs.

The real issue here is 20+ years of declining referee numbers due to abuse. We are feeling the effects this more every year as the standards drop. And it will only get worse with the way people like Klopp/Arteta etc. normalize it more and more each week. But that is a much much larger conversation.

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I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:12 - Feb 5 with 938 views

monty_radio

Wasn't one of Scott's team quoted as saying "I'm just flagging for offside, but I may be a little while" - or something like that.

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NthQldITFC

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:12 - Feb 5 by monty_radio
Wasn't one of Scott's team quoted as saying "I'm just flagging for offside, but I may be a little while" - or something like that.

I think they may have had icicles on their eyelashes.

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OldFart71

What I believe is as much wrong as diabolical decisions by refs is the gaging of managers saying anything about them. I'm not advocating using foul language or confronting of officials but there should be some sensible allowance of criticism being allowed by managers. For an organisation to allow rank bad officiating and then back them up is akin to the Sub Postmasters situation where the system was faulty and yet the Post Office said it wasn't, fully knowing it was. Managers jobs are on the line depending on results and too much bad officiating doesn't help.

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:44 - Feb 6 with 742 views

GeoffSentence

I don't usually resort to this, but that was FKN AWFUL from the officials. on 14:08 - Feb 5 by HalifaxBlue

It's not just that, it's the introduction of VAR too. That gobbles up a whole bunch of premier league refs who would otherwise be available for proper refereeing.

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