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Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 19:18 - Jun 14 by GlasgowBlue
I'll just leave this here.
Edit. Just seen that Alastair Campbell's daughter, Grace Campbell, has pulled out of Latitude because its sponsor, Barclays, "profits from Israel's genocide in Gaza". Wait util she finds out what her dad did.
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Did any money get hurt?
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Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 18:24 - Jun 16 with 2147 views
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 11:13 - Jun 16 by DJR
On the more general point about boycotts, I would rather boycott something, or support a boycott, based on my take on things, rather than be influenced by bandwagons.
For example, I have not bought a Murdoch newspaper since the early 1980s (I used to buy the Times). Nor have I signed up to Sky because of his ownership of it. Of course my individual action makes no difference to Murdoch, but from my point of view, I would rather that none of my money goes towards his profits.
When it comes to Barclays, I have had an account with Barclays since the 1970s (although no longer my main current account), and throughout the apartheid times there were campaigns to boycott Barclays. For my own part, and as an opponent of apartheid, I didn't see Barclays as having much more of a role in South Africa than other banks or organisations, so couldn't necessarily see why Barclays was being singled out. As a result I continued banking with Barclays.
The same appears to be true of the current situation, given how limited and non-exclusive the involvement of Barclays appears to be, so once again, I would not even contemplate closing my account. Nor do I support what appears to me to be a misinformed bandwagon.
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 16:02 - Jun 16 by textbackup
Why did I say what sorry?
Allow me to help as your memory is clearly struggling.... you made an inflammatory comment in which you referred to "Hamas/Palestinians" which is equally unacceptable to anyone conflating Israel/Nethanyahu's government with Jews.
I suspect your memory isn't that bad but happy to help.
Edit....so nothing at all to do with people trashing banks!
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 18:46 - Jun 16 by StNeotsBlue
Murdoch hasn't owned Sky for a number of years now, Comcast own it,.
I know that but my boycott has moved on.
As someone who grew up in the 60s and 70s, I wouldn't these days have Sky because of the impact Sky Sports has had in terms of obscene amounts of money, the chances of Ipswich ever winning or coming second in the top league, and the movement of kick-offs from Saturday, 3pm.
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Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 00:00 - Jun 17 with 1855 views
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 19:27 - Jun 16 by BanksterDebtSlave
Allow me to help as your memory is clearly struggling.... you made an inflammatory comment in which you referred to "Hamas/Palestinians" which is equally unacceptable to anyone conflating Israel/Nethanyahu's government with Jews.
I suspect your memory isn't that bad but happy to help.
Edit....so nothing at all to do with people trashing banks!
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“ you made an inflammatory comment in which you referred to "Hamas/Palestinians" which is equally unacceptable to anyone conflating Israel/Nethanyahu's government with Jews”
Utter bobbins banksy. Conflating Palestinians/ Hamas with Muslims is more comparable. Hamas are a Palestinian terrorist organisation. The people, known as Islamic Jihad are actually called Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Hamas and PIJ are a Palestinian. Just as the IDF are Israeli.
You yourself have quite rightly called out “Israeli” settlers and called Israel a “barabaric stae”. Why can’t people refer to Hamas as Palestinian?
This really does remind me of the testimony of a young Nova Music festival goer who witnessed Palestinian terrorists gang rape a young girl, shoot her in the head mid rape, cut off her breasts and share them around with his pals as if they were tossing a rugby ball between the. After reading her testimony you didn’t make a single comment about the atrocities they committed but objected to this traumatised young girl called the rapists “Palestinian”.
None of which excuses Israel of their indiscriminate and disproportionate response to 7/10. But the events of 7/10 were not carried out by Hamas alone. Many Palestinians joined Hamas in the massacre of 7/10. Many Palestinians spat at, abused and jeered the broken corpse of a Nova festival goer who was paraded around the streets of Gaza. The three rescued hostages were held captive in the home of a Palestinian journalist and his Palestinian doctors father.
In closing. Not all Palestinians are Hamas but Hamas are Palestinian.
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 00:00 - Jun 17 by GlasgowBlue
“ you made an inflammatory comment in which you referred to "Hamas/Palestinians" which is equally unacceptable to anyone conflating Israel/Nethanyahu's government with Jews”
Utter bobbins banksy. Conflating Palestinians/ Hamas with Muslims is more comparable. Hamas are a Palestinian terrorist organisation. The people, known as Islamic Jihad are actually called Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Hamas and PIJ are a Palestinian. Just as the IDF are Israeli.
You yourself have quite rightly called out “Israeli” settlers and called Israel a “barabaric stae”. Why can’t people refer to Hamas as Palestinian?
This really does remind me of the testimony of a young Nova Music festival goer who witnessed Palestinian terrorists gang rape a young girl, shoot her in the head mid rape, cut off her breasts and share them around with his pals as if they were tossing a rugby ball between the. After reading her testimony you didn’t make a single comment about the atrocities they committed but objected to this traumatised young girl called the rapists “Palestinian”.
None of which excuses Israel of their indiscriminate and disproportionate response to 7/10. But the events of 7/10 were not carried out by Hamas alone. Many Palestinians joined Hamas in the massacre of 7/10. Many Palestinians spat at, abused and jeered the broken corpse of a Nova festival goer who was paraded around the streets of Gaza. The three rescued hostages were held captive in the home of a Palestinian journalist and his Palestinian doctors father.
In closing. Not all Palestinians are Hamas but Hamas are Palestinian.
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Hang on, the posts I removed explicitly conflated Hamas and all Palestinians. In what way is that farcical?
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Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 08:52 - Jun 17 with 1704 views
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 08:35 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD
Hang on, the posts I removed explicitly conflated Hamas and all Palestinians. In what way is that farcical?
I didn’t read it that way, but if you did you are entitled to remove the posts and I apologise for calling you out. However, it doesn’t detract from my points made to banksy.
But there are double standards. I had an avatar which was an abbreviation of Fcuk Hamas. Another poster then creates an avatar that has an abbreviation of Fcuk Israel. Not fcuk The IDF. So conflation there that is allowed to be displayed on TWTD for months. Banksy himself refers to Israel or Israelis on multiple occasions. Not the IDF.
I had a thread removed that referred to Hamas as “sub human scum”. Banksy’s thread calling Israeli setters “sub human scum” remains.
Anyway, I’m on holiday this week so not wanting a drawn out debate on here. Just asking for some consistency .
Edit. Reading my post back I have edited out the reference to your decision being farcical because it was wrong and also detracts from the points I was making to banksy.
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 08:52 - Jun 17 by GlasgowBlue
I didn’t read it that way, but if you did you are entitled to remove the posts and I apologise for calling you out. However, it doesn’t detract from my points made to banksy.
But there are double standards. I had an avatar which was an abbreviation of Fcuk Hamas. Another poster then creates an avatar that has an abbreviation of Fcuk Israel. Not fcuk The IDF. So conflation there that is allowed to be displayed on TWTD for months. Banksy himself refers to Israel or Israelis on multiple occasions. Not the IDF.
I had a thread removed that referred to Hamas as “sub human scum”. Banksy’s thread calling Israeli setters “sub human scum” remains.
Anyway, I’m on holiday this week so not wanting a drawn out debate on here. Just asking for some consistency .
Edit. Reading my post back I have edited out the reference to your decision being farcical because it was wrong and also detracts from the points I was making to banksy.
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I don't think I was made aware of the avatar, if so I would have removed it, the same with the settlers post in the context of the wider discussion regarding the use of Nazi-inspired phrases. Genuinely try to be as consistent as possible.
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Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 09:25 - Jun 17 with 1623 views
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 08:52 - Jun 17 by GlasgowBlue
I didn’t read it that way, but if you did you are entitled to remove the posts and I apologise for calling you out. However, it doesn’t detract from my points made to banksy.
But there are double standards. I had an avatar which was an abbreviation of Fcuk Hamas. Another poster then creates an avatar that has an abbreviation of Fcuk Israel. Not fcuk The IDF. So conflation there that is allowed to be displayed on TWTD for months. Banksy himself refers to Israel or Israelis on multiple occasions. Not the IDF.
I had a thread removed that referred to Hamas as “sub human scum”. Banksy’s thread calling Israeli setters “sub human scum” remains.
Anyway, I’m on holiday this week so not wanting a drawn out debate on here. Just asking for some consistency .
Edit. Reading my post back I have edited out the reference to your decision being farcical because it was wrong and also detracts from the points I was making to banksy.
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I know it's a major issue... by PhilTWTD26 May 2024 20:13 ...but really feel the constant debates on Gaza/Israel and the ill feeling and unpleasantness that comes with them is detracting from the site at the moment. Perhaps if people want detailed debates on the subject they can take part in them elsewhere. As someone said in the thread I've just removed, I don't really need to be refereeing the discussions 24 hours a day or during Bank Holidays.
I honestly still think the best example of consistency is Phil's statement that these issues are becoming difficult to host on TWTD without becoming distracting.
I have to admit, I don't see how it could be read any other way than the basis to which it lead to being removed.
As always, context is important in debate, but so too is not mistaking someone's context once they have made clear what the context is/was in the first place, and then remaining consistent to that context rather than any perceived variations on that context.
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 08:52 - Jun 17 by GlasgowBlue
I didn’t read it that way, but if you did you are entitled to remove the posts and I apologise for calling you out. However, it doesn’t detract from my points made to banksy.
But there are double standards. I had an avatar which was an abbreviation of Fcuk Hamas. Another poster then creates an avatar that has an abbreviation of Fcuk Israel. Not fcuk The IDF. So conflation there that is allowed to be displayed on TWTD for months. Banksy himself refers to Israel or Israelis on multiple occasions. Not the IDF.
I had a thread removed that referred to Hamas as “sub human scum”. Banksy’s thread calling Israeli setters “sub human scum” remains.
Anyway, I’m on holiday this week so not wanting a drawn out debate on here. Just asking for some consistency .
Edit. Reading my post back I have edited out the reference to your decision being farcical because it was wrong and also detracts from the points I was making to banksy.
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At least you are acknowledging now that it is a war against Palestinians rather than Hamas. I wasn't going to reply as I didn't particularly want to push your graphic descriptions up the page. I think your need to repeatedly post that particular one is entirely unnecessary but that is just an aside....plenty more graphic descriptions are available.
Regarding Israel/IDF... Israeli television stations later quoted Netanyahu as criticising the military, saying: “We have a country with an army, not an army with a country.”
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 09:21 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD
I don't think I was made aware of the avatar, if so I would have removed it, the same with the settlers post in the context of the wider discussion regarding the use of Nazi-inspired phrases. Genuinely try to be as consistent as possible.
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 21:00 - Jun 16 by DJR
I know that but my boycott has moved on.
As someone who grew up in the 60s and 70s, I wouldn't these days have Sky because of the impact Sky Sports has had in terms of obscene amounts of money, the chances of Ipswich ever winning or coming second in the top league, and the movement of kick-offs from Saturday, 3pm.
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Most popular sports have gone to PPV. You may not like this, but it's for commercial reasons & if it hadn't been Murdoch's Sky, it would have been someone else (but probably not the hapless ITV Digital). Whether you like Murdoch or Sky or not, they were right to see an opportunity early (although it was Alan Sugar who allegedly told Sky to "blow the opposition out of the water" and bid up for the first PL deal).
Barclays drops sponsorship of a number of music festivals. on 10:07 - Jun 17 by Radlett_blue
Most popular sports have gone to PPV. You may not like this, but it's for commercial reasons & if it hadn't been Murdoch's Sky, it would have been someone else (but probably not the hapless ITV Digital). Whether you like Murdoch or Sky or not, they were right to see an opportunity early (although it was Alan Sugar who allegedly told Sky to "blow the opposition out of the water" and bid up for the first PL deal).
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