| Kemi or Suella? 09:33 - Jul 5 with 10543 views | DJR |
With the demise of Mordaunt, I think the next leader of the Tory party will be Badenoch or Braverman, especially given the make-up of the membership (assuming the membership is allowed a vote).
Whilst this may help in the fight against Farage, I am not not sure a drift to the right is a winning formula.
On the other hand, if Labour do screw it up, who knows what might happen? |  | | |  |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:25 - Jul 5 with 2190 views | Zapers |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:10 - Jul 5 by bluebudgie |
Well thats a matter of opinion about "far right" policies my opinion and I'm sure the majority of the 4.3 million voters for reform wouldn't see it that way including me! |
According to some on here, the conservatives are far right🤣 |  | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:27 - Jul 5 with 2181 views | positivity |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:25 - Jul 5 by Zapers |
According to some on here, the conservatives are far right🤣 |
and others in reform think the conservatives are socialists!! | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 12:29 - Jul 5 with 2153 views | Zapers |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:27 - Jul 5 by positivity |
and others in reform think the conservatives are socialists!! |
I think that is nearer the truth! | | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:30 - Jul 5 with 2148 views | Blueschev |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:29 - Jul 5 by Zapers |
I think that is nearer the truth! |
I'd love to see your workings. |  | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:33 - Jul 5 with 2128 views | positivity |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:30 - Jul 5 by Blueschev |
I'd love to see your workings. |
get the feeling that mussolini was too left-wing for some on here! | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 12:34 - Jul 5 with 2120 views | NedPlimpton |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:00 - Jul 5 by bluebudgie |
Stop using the term"far right" when discussing Reforms with over 4 million voters I prefer the term not far right but RIGHT. You will be coming out with nonsense that those 4 million-plus are all fascists next as that's what you ultra-lefties always retort! |
The number of voters doesn't dictate what side of the political spectrum a party is on.
For what it's worth I don't think the party's policies are far right, yet. But there are clearly some very far right leaning people involved in reform and this vote will potentially give those people more of a voice and make them feel like their views represent a large swathe of people
We're probably in the territory of something akin to 'not all reform voters are racists, but all racists are reform voters'.
There is no doubt that reform can be very dangerous and are a hard right populist party
Also it probably ruins your argument a bit when you get upset about people calling reform far right, then call people 'ultra lefties' |  | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:35 - Jul 5 with 2117 views | Zapers |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:30 - Jul 5 by Blueschev |
I'd love to see your workings. |
Easy, just follow Starmer. That’s as long as the grubby far left don’t get their hands on him. | | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:38 - Jul 5 with 2091 views | Blueschev |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:35 - Jul 5 by Zapers |
Easy, just follow Starmer. That’s as long as the grubby far left don’t get their hands on him. |
I'm sorry but I don't know what you're talking about. If I follow Starmer I'll see how the Tories are socialists? | | | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 12:39 - Jul 5 with 2083 views | Churchman |
They’ll be in denial for years. They much prefer fighting amongst what’s left of their sorry party than governing. Like last time, they’ll search for all the wrong reasons get through two or three leaders before finding something nearly human. If they ever return to power it won’t be for at least 20 years.
They’re finished and can be ignored now. |  | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 13:32 - Jul 5 with 2028 views | itfcjoe |
| Kemi or Suella? on 11:48 - Jul 5 by baxterbasics |
Out of those two I definitely prefer Kemi, think she is academically the smarter of the two and will have wider appeal. Less sullied by past performance.
But also expect Hunt, Cleverly and Patel to be in the mix potentially.
It's highly unlikely that whoever it is will win the next election or ever become PM anyway - they are in for a 97 to 2007 style period of reflection and multiple leaders. |
Kemi sounds good and competent when she is setting the agenda, if she ever has to go off script she is really, really poor for me and always ends up saying something that will cause her problems further down the line - she's not ready.
Suella just isn't very good full stop |  |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 13:45 - Jul 5 with 1993 views | Radlett_blue |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:01 - Jul 5 by baxterbasics |
Depends on another Cameron to appear from somewhere. However you judge him as PM, he at least knew how to communicate and understood the need for wider electoral appeal. |
Yes, but the Tories went through 3 leaders, one of whom wasn't judged fit to fight a General election, after Major's big defeat in 1997, before being able to stomach a moderniser like Cameron. Plenty of Conservatives will point to the 14.3% of the popular vote won by Reform & say that the key to returning to power is regaining those votes, so moving more decisively to the right is probable. |  |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 13:47 - Jul 5 with 1985 views | DJR |
| Kemi or Suella? on 13:32 - Jul 5 by itfcjoe |
Kemi sounds good and competent when she is setting the agenda, if she ever has to go off script she is really, really poor for me and always ends up saying something that will cause her problems further down the line - she's not ready.
Suella just isn't very good full stop |
Agree with that. And Kemi hasn't really come under much media scrutiny anyway. | | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 14:44 - Jul 5 with 1931 views | Rimsy |
Tory and Labour have become too similar, both moving to the centre. Been many years since we've had a proper Lab/Tory parties. |  |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 14:50 - Jul 5 with 1904 views | baxterbasics |
| Kemi or Suella? on 13:45 - Jul 5 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, but the Tories went through 3 leaders, one of whom wasn't judged fit to fight a General election, after Major's big defeat in 1997, before being able to stomach a moderniser like Cameron. Plenty of Conservatives will point to the 14.3% of the popular vote won by Reform & say that the key to returning to power is regaining those votes, so moving more decisively to the right is probable. |
Hence my comment that whoever takes over is unlikely ever to come within a sniff of PM - will be a few cycles and a few leaders come and go until the next Cameron is found. |  |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 14:54 - Jul 5 with 1891 views | positivity |
| Kemi or Suella? on 14:44 - Jul 5 by Rimsy |
Tory and Labour have become too similar, both moving to the centre. Been many years since we've had a proper Lab/Tory parties. |
don't see where you're coming from there?
truss was the most right wing since at least thatcher, corbyn was the most left wing since foot. both within 5 years! | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 15:00 - Jul 5 with 1874 views | WeWereZombies |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:23 - Jul 5 by Blueschev |
Who are the lefty media? I can only think of two left leaning newspapers and one of them is the Morning Star.
Terms like "leftie media" make you sound quite far right to be honest. |
Don't forget all those scientific journals and academic papers now... |  |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 15:34 - Jul 5 with 1838 views | Rimsy |
| Kemi or Suella? on 14:54 - Jul 5 by positivity |
don't see where you're coming from there?
truss was the most right wing since at least thatcher, corbyn was the most left wing since foot. both within 5 years! |
Truss wasn't in long enough to bring in any right wing policies. Corby wasn't PM so was irrelevant what his views were, I was talking about whilst in power. | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 16:08 - Jul 5 with 1804 views | positivity |
| Kemi or Suella? on 15:34 - Jul 5 by Rimsy |
Truss wasn't in long enough to bring in any right wing policies. Corby wasn't PM so was irrelevant what his views were, I was talking about whilst in power. |
enough time to completely tank the economy! | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 16:15 - Jul 5 with 1787 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
It's not. Tories have been drifting from centre right to rabid right for some time now and I think they are drifting towards total Trupian nuttery. We may see a merge with Teform yet but I think (hope) that results people taking auch more considerd, most change of beating their candidate approach to casting their vote.
It's not a good choice between the 2 is it |  |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 16:25 - Jul 5 with 1766 views | positivity |
| Kemi or Suella? on 16:15 - Jul 5 by BlueandTruesince82 |
It's not. Tories have been drifting from centre right to rabid right for some time now and I think they are drifting towards total Trupian nuttery. We may see a merge with Teform yet but I think (hope) that results people taking auch more considerd, most change of beating their candidate approach to casting their vote.
It's not a good choice between the 2 is it |
tugendhat is the 2nd favourite and probably the best they could manage, but just can't see the membership getting behind him | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 16:40 - Jul 5 with 1743 views | DJR |
| Kemi or Suella? on 16:25 - Jul 5 by positivity |
tugendhat is the 2nd favourite and probably the best they could manage, but just can't see the membership getting behind him |
Tugendhat is truly awful, and I say that as someone who has seen him at close quarters since his first hustings. Indeed, the last time I saw him was on the Sarah-Jane Mee programme on Sky a couple of weeks ago making a complete fool of himself.
He's a bit like Tim Nice But Dim, and tends to come out with pompous drivel.
Hunt would be the best and most competent option in my view but unlikely to get anywhere with the membership. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 16:46]
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| Kemi or Suella? on 16:51 - Jul 5 with 1713 views | positivity |
| Kemi or Suella? on 16:40 - Jul 5 by DJR |
Tugendhat is truly awful, and I say that as someone who has seen him at close quarters since his first hustings. Indeed, the last time I saw him was on the Sarah-Jane Mee programme on Sky a couple of weeks ago making a complete fool of himself.
He's a bit like Tim Nice But Dim, and tends to come out with pompous drivel.
Hunt would be the best and most competent option in my view but unlikely to get anywhere with the membership. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 16:46]
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fair enough, i mainly hear about him as a relatively sane tory, but it is all relative! | |
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| Kemi or Suella? on 16:59 - Jul 5 with 1690 views | Churchman |
| Kemi or Suella? on 16:40 - Jul 5 by DJR |
Tugendhat is truly awful, and I say that as someone who has seen him at close quarters since his first hustings. Indeed, the last time I saw him was on the Sarah-Jane Mee programme on Sky a couple of weeks ago making a complete fool of himself.
He's a bit like Tim Nice But Dim, and tends to come out with pompous drivel.
Hunt would be the best and most competent option in my view but unlikely to get anywhere with the membership. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 16:46]
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He surely can’t be any worse than Raab or Gove who I had the misfortune to be far too near.
Still for all their relevance, the rump of tories may as well elect a tin of beans as leader. Be more useful than the last ones. | | | |
| Kemi or Suella? on 17:02 - Jul 5 with 1679 views | DJR |
| Kemi or Suella? on 16:59 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
He surely can’t be any worse than Raab or Gove who I had the misfortune to be far too near.
Still for all their relevance, the rump of tories may as well elect a tin of beans as leader. Be more useful than the last ones. |
I meant awful in the sense of incompetence and ineptitude.
His posh military manner fools many but not me, and he would be completely out of his depth as PM, even though his self-confidence is second to none. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 17:03]
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| Kemi or Suella? on 17:10 - Jul 5 with 1647 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kemi or Suella? on 12:34 - Jul 5 by NedPlimpton |
The number of voters doesn't dictate what side of the political spectrum a party is on.
For what it's worth I don't think the party's policies are far right, yet. But there are clearly some very far right leaning people involved in reform and this vote will potentially give those people more of a voice and make them feel like their views represent a large swathe of people
We're probably in the territory of something akin to 'not all reform voters are racists, but all racists are reform voters'.
There is no doubt that reform can be very dangerous and are a hard right populist party
Also it probably ruins your argument a bit when you get upset about people calling reform far right, then call people 'ultra lefties' |
I disagree. A fair few racists voted for Galloway and his party. |  |
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