| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive 12:53 - Aug 12 with 11418 views | giant_stow |
dangerous? Clever? Whatever? |  |
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 21:08 - Aug 12 with 3642 views | Kievthegreat |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:07 - Aug 12 by Perublue |
I’m no military expert but it seems suicidal…poking the bear which clearly could have bitten a lot harder and nastier if it needed to in the last couple of years and at the same time “legitimising” the whole thing to the Russian population.
Drawing Russian troops away from other regions maybe but sooooo risky,with an upsurge in the chances of a Democrat victory in the US elections too.
All very odd,desperate,clandestine and sad. [Post edited 12 Aug 2024 18:11]
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In terms of conventional forces, Russia can't have "bitten a lot harder". It's thrown it's entire weight at Ukraine for 2 years and failed. It's now achieving some success in a grinding battle of Attrition, but it's still not at all clear that they can achieve anything like their initial war goals.
There is only way it could have been harder is a nuclear response which Russia knows would cause enormous fallout diplomatically. Normalising nuclear weapons like that pushes the world far closer to annihilation than the Cuba missile crisis and there is zero chance NATO and probably even China will stand by and let there be zero consequences as that happens. |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 21:43 - Aug 12 with 3577 views | DinDjarin |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:07 - Aug 12 by Perublue |
I’m no military expert but it seems suicidal…poking the bear which clearly could have bitten a lot harder and nastier if it needed to in the last couple of years and at the same time “legitimising” the whole thing to the Russian population.
Drawing Russian troops away from other regions maybe but sooooo risky,with an upsurge in the chances of a Democrat victory in the US elections too.
All very odd,desperate,clandestine and sad. [Post edited 12 Aug 2024 18:11]
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Democrats are toast although this is not the thread for that discussion. |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 21:57 - Aug 12 with 3552 views | WicklowBlue |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:07 - Aug 12 by Perublue |
I’m no military expert but it seems suicidal…poking the bear which clearly could have bitten a lot harder and nastier if it needed to in the last couple of years and at the same time “legitimising” the whole thing to the Russian population.
Drawing Russian troops away from other regions maybe but sooooo risky,with an upsurge in the chances of a Democrat victory in the US elections too.
All very odd,desperate,clandestine and sad. [Post edited 12 Aug 2024 18:11]
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My two cents but Guthers follows this closer than I.
Ukraine needed some form of moral victory to keep the belief.
They poked at a possible front and he whole midfield just parted and they went for it Keeper and all.
Will they be able to sustain this front, unlikely.
However it's sown seeds of doubt and brought Russian civilians into the war of which some have perished which no one wants. Does this change the narrative from a special operation into a war? Not that the Russian populace have any say.
The big nasty Bear tried to bite the entire of Ukraine at the start and got hurt.
Either way you cut it, this is a bloody nose for Putin and no doubt Russia will deal with the new front.
Equally Western Allies will be watching and learning...NATO specifically. It is really hard to maintain border security as the US, Ireland, Germany and others have found throughout the ages. |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:09 - Aug 13 with 3421 views | bournemouthblue |
I'm not a military expert but my understanding is they have sent their best main to take this region so that is their special forces etc
We train and have trained these guys, to use javelin missiles etc
And probably have advised them on this, whether we approve of this thing is another thing entirely but there must be some measure of tactical planning that Ukraine think is worth doing, whether it's a gamble or a bit more measured, who really knows
NATO don't sound impressed and we ourselves are key members of NATO so you'd think we are very much on the same side of thinking in this
Russia will retaliate very aggressively and Ukraine can't be losing it's best men to hold this region
I wonder if they will withdraw quite quickly at some stage so the Russian's cannot take them out of the game, they'll be very important to war as time goes on
Fair play to Ukraine for causing a bit of mischief though, Putin does not want fear spreading through the Russian public, he is terrified of that
This is after all a country who overthrown it's monarchy, he will be tremendously paranoid he too can be overthrown |  |
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 10:39 - Aug 15 with 3262 views | MattinLondon |
This will probably sound very simplistic but isn’t Ukraine’s offensive more to do with making Putin look weak? To the Russian public, he portrays himself as a hard ruthless man, but what good is a hard man if he can’t even protect his own people in their own country?
Once the image gets weakened then a lot of his fear gets ripped away. Which makes it easier for others to challenge him - but obviously not immediately. |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 19:37 - Aug 15 with 3183 views | Kievthegreat |
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Ukraine had a hand in the Nord Stream. Makes strategic sense for them to blow it up and hit Russia's coffers. I can imagine the German government aren't impressed, but personally I see nothing wrong with Ukraine attacking Russia infrastructure.
As for British weapons being used in Russia, I doubt the MOD are that unhappy. Better to use them there and achieve some success than grinding away in attritional battles in the Donbass. We've donated spare equipment and every single Russia piece they knockout makes it a bloody good investment.
The only thing we're still cautious on is Storm Shadow, but like other systems, I can imagine that restriction will fade in time. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 08:45 - Aug 26 with 2968 views | victorywilhappen |
Ukraine on Sunday called on Belarus to pull back what it described as significant levels of Belarusian forces and equipment deployed at their common border. The Ukrainian foreign ministry warned Belarus against making “tragic mistakes” while under pressure from Moscow. The ministry said Belarus special forces and former Wagner mercenary fighters were among the troops at the border. The statement said their equipment included tanks, artillery, air defence systems and engineering equipment and that Ukraine “has never taken and is not going to take any unfriendly actions against the Belarusian people”. In 2022, Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko allowed Russian troops to station in Belarus during what Russia and Belarus called “drills” before they launched their invasion of Ukraine in February of that year.
Todays Guardian.
Also this
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belarus-lukashenko-says-nearly-third-army-s [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 8:47]
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 09:01 - Aug 26 with 2911 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 19:37 - Aug 15 by Kievthegreat |
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Ukraine had a hand in the Nord Stream. Makes strategic sense for them to blow it up and hit Russia's coffers. I can imagine the German government aren't impressed, but personally I see nothing wrong with Ukraine attacking Russia infrastructure.
As for British weapons being used in Russia, I doubt the MOD are that unhappy. Better to use them there and achieve some success than grinding away in attritional battles in the Donbass. We've donated spare equipment and every single Russia piece they knockout makes it a bloody good investment.
The only thing we're still cautious on is Storm Shadow, but like other systems, I can imagine that restriction will fade in time. |
'...the destruction of Nord Stream was also an act of war against critical Nato energy infrastructure. ‘An attack of this scale is a sufficient reason to trigger the collective defence clause of Nato,’ a senior German official familiar with the ongoing investigation told the WSJ. ‘But our critical infrastructure was blown up by a country that we support with massive weapons shipments and billions in cash.’ The definitive removal of cheap Russian gas also played a key role in transforming Germany’s economy from one of Europe’s most dynamic to its most stagnant, with growth forecasts now at just 0.1 per cent for 2024. As such, the Nord Stream attack ranks as one of the most successful and strategically consequential covert operations in the history of warfare.'
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-we-now-have-proof-ukraine-blew-up-the-nor
It is concerning that there are different values/ethics for allies and enemies. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 9:02]
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 10:54 - Aug 26 with 2802 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 09:01 - Aug 26 by victorywilhappen |
'...the destruction of Nord Stream was also an act of war against critical Nato energy infrastructure. ‘An attack of this scale is a sufficient reason to trigger the collective defence clause of Nato,’ a senior German official familiar with the ongoing investigation told the WSJ. ‘But our critical infrastructure was blown up by a country that we support with massive weapons shipments and billions in cash.’ The definitive removal of cheap Russian gas also played a key role in transforming Germany’s economy from one of Europe’s most dynamic to its most stagnant, with growth forecasts now at just 0.1 per cent for 2024. As such, the Nord Stream attack ranks as one of the most successful and strategically consequential covert operations in the history of warfare.'
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-we-now-have-proof-ukraine-blew-up-the-nor
It is concerning that there are different values/ethics for allies and enemies. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 9:02]
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The German governments (past and present) have not come out of this war/energy crisis very well to be honest. Poland, the Baltics, and the US all told Germany not to go ahead with Nordstream. They had already witnessed Russia weaponising gas supplies to its neighbours. Naively they thought connecting Russia to the European economy would see Russia ‘play nicely’. Poland were correct, Putin, as with other despots like Xi put geopolitical ambitions over economic growth/health. The warnings were there from Russia’s invasions of Georgia and Crimea, but again ignored whilst cheap gas flowed. They were also pathetic on supplying military aid to Ukraine (despite indirectly funding Putin’s war), famously handing them some mouldy unusable missiles.
Germany paid a price, fairing the worst in Europe due to their reliance on cheap Russian gas to power their industries. They were tipped into recession whilst most of Europe avoided it, and German citizens squeezed hard on their energy bills. Really there should be some kind of enquiry as to how they got it so wrong, but like our own politicians it would most likely be a whitewash. |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:17 - Aug 26 with 2766 views | Ryorry |
Seemed like an absolute master stroke to me - “always do what your enemies least want you to do” said philosopher Joseph Campbell (iirc); to which I’d add ‘and least expect’.
It’s dented Putin’s rep in the eyes of some Russians, never a bad thing, and perhaps even more importantly has allowed Ukraine to get a paper knife in to open up a true line of information for the Russian people to see and hear, sow some real seeds of doubt, and that’s where the real power lies. Till now, Putin’s propaganda has been their standard fare.
Has also distracted P’s forces away from pressurised areas etc as others have mentioned. Zelenskyy is a very clever man - the KM of political leaders. Ukraine are lucky to have him at this time. |  |
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:45 - Aug 26 with 2729 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 10:54 - Aug 26 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The German governments (past and present) have not come out of this war/energy crisis very well to be honest. Poland, the Baltics, and the US all told Germany not to go ahead with Nordstream. They had already witnessed Russia weaponising gas supplies to its neighbours. Naively they thought connecting Russia to the European economy would see Russia ‘play nicely’. Poland were correct, Putin, as with other despots like Xi put geopolitical ambitions over economic growth/health. The warnings were there from Russia’s invasions of Georgia and Crimea, but again ignored whilst cheap gas flowed. They were also pathetic on supplying military aid to Ukraine (despite indirectly funding Putin’s war), famously handing them some mouldy unusable missiles.
Germany paid a price, fairing the worst in Europe due to their reliance on cheap Russian gas to power their industries. They were tipped into recession whilst most of Europe avoided it, and German citizens squeezed hard on their energy bills. Really there should be some kind of enquiry as to how they got it so wrong, but like our own politicians it would most likely be a whitewash. |
'The day after the leaks occurred, the Swedish Police Authority investigated the incident, calling it "major sabotage". The investigation is conducted in cooperation with other relevant authorities as well as the Swedish Security Service. A similar investigation was opened in Denmark. The two nations were in close contact, and had also been in contact with other countries in the Baltic region and NATO. Because it happened within international waters (not part of any nation's territorial sea, although within the Danish and Swedish economic zones), neither the Danish Prime Minister nor the Swedish Prime Minister regarded it as an attack on their nation.' Wiki
I believe when you considered it a Russian attack as announced by Ukraine you believed it to be an attack on NATO and that might justify retaliation. ( Edit-Even if the heads were keeping quiet)
I may be misremembering.
I'm not sure the change in ethics when the perpetrator is different is where we should be going in this campaign. We have already seen the war spread outside of the borders using weapons supplied by the West. This was until recently unacceptable.
We have also seen a supply of what were illegal weapons ( cluster).
Our enemies enemy are not always our friends. Or helping us even if we would like to think it is the case. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 11:47]
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 16:12 - Aug 26 with 2569 views | Kievthegreat |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:45 - Aug 26 by victorywilhappen |
'The day after the leaks occurred, the Swedish Police Authority investigated the incident, calling it "major sabotage". The investigation is conducted in cooperation with other relevant authorities as well as the Swedish Security Service. A similar investigation was opened in Denmark. The two nations were in close contact, and had also been in contact with other countries in the Baltic region and NATO. Because it happened within international waters (not part of any nation's territorial sea, although within the Danish and Swedish economic zones), neither the Danish Prime Minister nor the Swedish Prime Minister regarded it as an attack on their nation.' Wiki
I believe when you considered it a Russian attack as announced by Ukraine you believed it to be an attack on NATO and that might justify retaliation. ( Edit-Even if the heads were keeping quiet)
I may be misremembering.
I'm not sure the change in ethics when the perpetrator is different is where we should be going in this campaign. We have already seen the war spread outside of the borders using weapons supplied by the West. This was until recently unacceptable.
We have also seen a supply of what were illegal weapons ( cluster).
Our enemies enemy are not always our friends. Or helping us even if we would like to think it is the case. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 11:47]
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Quick point on cluster munitions. Many countries have signed up to conventions to ban their use, production or trade, including the UK. However neither the US or Ukraine have done so.
Nor is it illegal or a war crime just to use or possess them. The only time it becomes a war crime is when it is used against civilians or where civilians are present. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:11 - Aug 26 with 2518 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 16:12 - Aug 26 by Kievthegreat |
Quick point on cluster munitions. Many countries have signed up to conventions to ban their use, production or trade, including the UK. However neither the US or Ukraine have done so.
Nor is it illegal or a war crime just to use or possess them. The only time it becomes a war crime is when it is used against civilians or where civilians are present. |
'The only time it becomes a war crime is when it is used against civilians or where civilians are present'
While all weapons are dangerous, cluster bombs pose a particular threat to civilians for two reasons: they have a wide area of effect, and they consistently leave behind a large number of unexploded bomblets. The unexploded bomblets can remain dangerous for decades after the end of a conflict. wiki
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/07/06/ukraine-civilian-deaths-cluster-munitions
I'm not sure about what is happening on the ground. I am just not comfortable with the shifting ethical lines that are being ignored for convenience. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 17:13]
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| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:18 - Aug 26 with 2496 views | DJR |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 09:01 - Aug 26 by victorywilhappen |
'...the destruction of Nord Stream was also an act of war against critical Nato energy infrastructure. ‘An attack of this scale is a sufficient reason to trigger the collective defence clause of Nato,’ a senior German official familiar with the ongoing investigation told the WSJ. ‘But our critical infrastructure was blown up by a country that we support with massive weapons shipments and billions in cash.’ The definitive removal of cheap Russian gas also played a key role in transforming Germany’s economy from one of Europe’s most dynamic to its most stagnant, with growth forecasts now at just 0.1 per cent for 2024. As such, the Nord Stream attack ranks as one of the most successful and strategically consequential covert operations in the history of warfare.'
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-we-now-have-proof-ukraine-blew-up-the-nor
It is concerning that there are different values/ethics for allies and enemies. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 9:02]
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I always suspected that Russia wasn't to blame because there were only half-hearted attempts to blame them.
And with all the satellite and other surveillance there is these days, I found it astonishing that no one appeared to know (or at least admitted they knew) what happened, particularly given the nature of the operation.
I might add that it seems very unlikely to me that Ukraine would be able to carry out such an operation without the knowledge and perhaps co-operation of at least one NATO member. |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:26 - Aug 26 with 2462 views | Kievthegreat |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:11 - Aug 26 by victorywilhappen |
'The only time it becomes a war crime is when it is used against civilians or where civilians are present'
While all weapons are dangerous, cluster bombs pose a particular threat to civilians for two reasons: they have a wide area of effect, and they consistently leave behind a large number of unexploded bomblets. The unexploded bomblets can remain dangerous for decades after the end of a conflict. wiki
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/07/06/ukraine-civilian-deaths-cluster-munitions
I'm not sure about what is happening on the ground. I am just not comfortable with the shifting ethical lines that are being ignored for convenience. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 17:13]
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If you wish to argue their ethics, I get it and I'm inclined to agree with all of the issues about unexploded ordnance can be huge issues in the long run. Although I'm torn because if Ukraine takes the decision to use it on their territory, in knowledge of those risks, maybe in a life or death struggle you make difficult decisions?
However the main thing I was pointing out the usage of the term "illegal". That's an incorrect term in this instance. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:31 - Aug 26 with 2440 views | Kievthegreat |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:18 - Aug 26 by DJR |
I always suspected that Russia wasn't to blame because there were only half-hearted attempts to blame them.
And with all the satellite and other surveillance there is these days, I found it astonishing that no one appeared to know (or at least admitted they knew) what happened, particularly given the nature of the operation.
I might add that it seems very unlikely to me that Ukraine would be able to carry out such an operation without the knowledge and perhaps co-operation of at least one NATO member. |
There was plenty of talk amongst Russia media about British or American involvement.
Then again, the Russian media comes with lots hysteria about Britain. Apparently we also planned the Kursk offensive and various other attacks. Essentially in Russian media, any Ukrainian success must either be part of Putin's grand plan or the work of NATO,l. They have a bizarre fixation that Britain is some sneaky super villain orchestrating things. If only the real Britain was half as effective as they believe! | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:47 - Aug 26 with 2402 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:18 - Aug 26 by DJR |
I always suspected that Russia wasn't to blame because there were only half-hearted attempts to blame them.
And with all the satellite and other surveillance there is these days, I found it astonishing that no one appeared to know (or at least admitted they knew) what happened, particularly given the nature of the operation.
I might add that it seems very unlikely to me that Ukraine would be able to carry out such an operation without the knowledge and perhaps co-operation of at least one NATO member. |
Somewhere someone said...etc ( won't try and find the source/reference) it was said that the US knew of the plan but told Ukraine not to go ahead. The pigeon failed to deliver or the cell went rogue. but the top boys knew and asked for permission. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:03 - Aug 26 with 2363 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 17:26 - Aug 26 by Kievthegreat |
If you wish to argue their ethics, I get it and I'm inclined to agree with all of the issues about unexploded ordnance can be huge issues in the long run. Although I'm torn because if Ukraine takes the decision to use it on their territory, in knowledge of those risks, maybe in a life or death struggle you make difficult decisions?
However the main thing I was pointing out the usage of the term "illegal". That's an incorrect term in this instance. |
'if Ukraine takes the decision to use it on their territory, in knowledge of those risks, maybe in a life or death struggle you make difficult decisions?"
The ammo hasn't significantly helped the miltary as one can see but it has hurt civilians.
The issue here is not only troops at risk its civilians as collateral damage. The potential to create an unlivable landscape is not a country that will be welcome in the EU as all EU citizens potentially will have cluster ammo hiding on their landscape.
Does the US want Ukraine in the EU?
Do you see the double-speak? | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:44 - Aug 26 with 2310 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:45 - Aug 26 by victorywilhappen |
'The day after the leaks occurred, the Swedish Police Authority investigated the incident, calling it "major sabotage". The investigation is conducted in cooperation with other relevant authorities as well as the Swedish Security Service. A similar investigation was opened in Denmark. The two nations were in close contact, and had also been in contact with other countries in the Baltic region and NATO. Because it happened within international waters (not part of any nation's territorial sea, although within the Danish and Swedish economic zones), neither the Danish Prime Minister nor the Swedish Prime Minister regarded it as an attack on their nation.' Wiki
I believe when you considered it a Russian attack as announced by Ukraine you believed it to be an attack on NATO and that might justify retaliation. ( Edit-Even if the heads were keeping quiet)
I may be misremembering.
I'm not sure the change in ethics when the perpetrator is different is where we should be going in this campaign. We have already seen the war spread outside of the borders using weapons supplied by the West. This was until recently unacceptable.
We have also seen a supply of what were illegal weapons ( cluster).
Our enemies enemy are not always our friends. Or helping us even if we would like to think it is the case. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 11:47]
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“ I believe when you considered it a Russian attack as announced by Ukraine you believed it to be an attack on NATO and that might justify retaliation. ( Edit-Even if the heads were keeping quiet)
I may be misremembering.”
Perhaps I’ve misunderstood, but I’ve never made any assumptions on who carried out the attack - I certainly didn’t declare any attack on NATO. I think you must be thinking of another poster. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 20:37 - Aug 26 with 2243 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 18:44 - Aug 26 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ I believe when you considered it a Russian attack as announced by Ukraine you believed it to be an attack on NATO and that might justify retaliation. ( Edit-Even if the heads were keeping quiet)
I may be misremembering.”
Perhaps I’ve misunderstood, but I’ve never made any assumptions on who carried out the attack - I certainly didn’t declare any attack on NATO. I think you must be thinking of another poster. |
Apologies. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 10:45 - Aug 28 with 1987 views | bluejacko |
If you want up to date info and discussion about Ukraine I would recommend going to Times Radio and put in Ukraine and you will get all of the above. Probably answer most of the questions etc in this thread. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:36 - Aug 28 with 1960 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 10:45 - Aug 28 by bluejacko |
If you want up to date info and discussion about Ukraine I would recommend going to Times Radio and put in Ukraine and you will get all of the above. Probably answer most of the questions etc in this thread. |
It's a great recommendation if you only want the pro western establishment view of the world as offered by Murdoch's other News Corp titles (The Sun, The Times, New York Post etc). |  | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:49 - Aug 28 with 1920 views | victorywilhappen |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 10:45 - Aug 28 by bluejacko |
If you want up to date info and discussion about Ukraine I would recommend going to Times Radio and put in Ukraine and you will get all of the above. Probably answer most of the questions etc in this thread. |
The thing is there are no definite answers. We're talking about the information at hand and hopefully speculating about it neutrally for some perspective.
Any thoughts you have or have gleaned are very much welcome.
It seems a very fluid situation, so i'm not sure many opinions would be conclusivly wrong.
It does seem the aim of of getting Russia to redeploy troops has failed. Meaning there is a big chance things might start going badly. | | | |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 12:59 - Aug 28 with 1854 views | bluejacko |
| Just wondering what everyone makes of Ukraine's offensive on 11:49 - Aug 28 by victorywilhappen |
The thing is there are no definite answers. We're talking about the information at hand and hopefully speculating about it neutrally for some perspective.
Any thoughts you have or have gleaned are very much welcome.
It seems a very fluid situation, so i'm not sure many opinions would be conclusivly wrong.
It does seem the aim of of getting Russia to redeploy troops has failed. Meaning there is a big chance things might start going badly. |
It doesn’t seem like the main thrust has been affected so far but there have been troop movements 3 brigades have been moved from Ukraine to Kursk para,s and marines are some of them!pootin can’t ignore what’s going on so he will have to react.conscripts can only get you so far so contract troops will have to used from elsewhere!
There isn’t much risk of Ukraines troops getting surrounded and cut off they have the whole border to their south to withdraw over if it comes to it,and the orcs have yet to prove they can do manoeuvre warfare which they have not shown so far in this war to actually manage cutting anybody off. | | | |
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