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Is Trump really saying that babies are being killed in their first month of life? They are calling it 'Post Birth Abortion' and his followers are sucking it up.
Or is it a hoax or AI trickery and I am falling for it?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ralph-northam-virginia-abortion-9525980713 This is the source of this whole thing. There is a nugget of truth in it, but it's not really true. I think it's a tactic to get people thinking about how radical some Democrats are about abortions especially late-term abortions. It could just backfire. In general people don't question some topics such as abortion. I was shocked when I looked into it. Some of the term limits are very late and allowing an abortion due to mental illness seems like a very dangerous area to get involved with.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 23:14 - Aug 21 with 3436 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 22:59 - Aug 21 by Europablue
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ralph-northam-virginia-abortion-9525980713 This is the source of this whole thing. There is a nugget of truth in it, but it's not really true. I think it's a tactic to get people thinking about how radical some Democrats are about abortions especially late-term abortions. It could just backfire. In general people don't question some topics such as abortion. I was shocked when I looked into it. Some of the term limits are very late and allowing an abortion due to mental illness seems like a very dangerous area to get involved with.
Good grief. That is one of the most extraordinary posts I have ever seen on here. There is not a "nugget of truth in it".
To comment on an obviously absurd, dishonest piece of nonsense, which nonetheless, Trump et al are achieving some traction with, by suggesting its a reaction to "radical" democrats on the subject of abortion, is not just alarming, its positively sociopathic.
Presumably you support the claims of countries emptying their asylums to send people to the US as well?
Trump is either dishonest or monumentally ignorant, or both. His campaign is putting out this offensive nonsense in the knowledge that people are ignorant enough to buy it. That is the ONLY story here worth any sort of comment.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 23:37 - Aug 21 with 3400 views
Some "Stupid Americans." are far from it though. There was a story a few years back about a maths teacher and Bible inerrantist. He was asked if in the Bible there was a passage saying that 2+2=5 what would his position be. He answered if that was the case then arithmetic is wrong because the word of God could not possibly be.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:03 - Aug 22 with 3224 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 23:14 - Aug 21 by redrickstuhaart
Good grief. That is one of the most extraordinary posts I have ever seen on here. There is not a "nugget of truth in it".
To comment on an obviously absurd, dishonest piece of nonsense, which nonetheless, Trump et al are achieving some traction with, by suggesting its a reaction to "radical" democrats on the subject of abortion, is not just alarming, its positively sociopathic.
Presumably you support the claims of countries emptying their asylums to send people to the US as well?
Trump is either dishonest or monumentally ignorant, or both. His campaign is putting out this offensive nonsense in the knowledge that people are ignorant enough to buy it. That is the ONLY story here worth any sort of comment.
Wind your head in. "Nugget of Truth" means "a small amount of truth in a generally untrue statement". The nugget of truth is that Northam was talking about ending a life of a baby after it is born. The context is that he is talking about giving palliative care. The way he phrased it was clumsy and allowed for it to sound quite bad taken out of context.
There are a lot of radical Democrats on the issue of abortion. It isn't a very fertile debate to focus on the extreme edge cases of people who advocate for post-birth abortion or banning condoms.
There is a whole problem with the concept of a woman's right to choose that is not addressed in mainstream discourse. Any reasonable person would accept that post-birth abortion (AKA infanticide) is monstrous. There are a sizeable number of Democrats that believe that a woman should have the right to abortion any time during pregnancy. Whilst I don't agree that abortion should be banned, the religious argument about the sanctity of life is at least consistent. Consent doesn't make a difference to whether the life of the baby has value.
I personally think that the issue of abortion should not be so taboo and the discussion should focus on the time limit on abortions.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:08 - Aug 22 with 3179 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:03 - Aug 22 by Europablue
Wind your head in. "Nugget of Truth" means "a small amount of truth in a generally untrue statement". The nugget of truth is that Northam was talking about ending a life of a baby after it is born. The context is that he is talking about giving palliative care. The way he phrased it was clumsy and allowed for it to sound quite bad taken out of context.
There are a lot of radical Democrats on the issue of abortion. It isn't a very fertile debate to focus on the extreme edge cases of people who advocate for post-birth abortion or banning condoms.
There is a whole problem with the concept of a woman's right to choose that is not addressed in mainstream discourse. Any reasonable person would accept that post-birth abortion (AKA infanticide) is monstrous. There are a sizeable number of Democrats that believe that a woman should have the right to abortion any time during pregnancy. Whilst I don't agree that abortion should be banned, the religious argument about the sanctity of life is at least consistent. Consent doesn't make a difference to whether the life of the baby has value.
I personally think that the issue of abortion should not be so taboo and the discussion should focus on the time limit on abortions.
Your views and comments are persistently abhorrent. Your nudge nudge wink wink support of active misinformation is disgusting.
There is no nugget of truth in the bizarre spreading of the idea if post birth abortions. Stop jutifying lies and division.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:08 - Aug 22 with 3166 views
Christ, I need to move back to England... These idiots are everywhere. If Trump wins in November, I'm out.
Ive been watching this guys channel. The amount of people now in the US who choose (or cant) apply any logic to a situation and just argue black is white has been truly astonishing to me. I fear the whole world is just going this way. (but America is in the vanguard)
PS - everyone should give this guy a watch - he's bright and funny - and trying to save his own democracy.
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:08 - Aug 22 by nodge_blue
Ive been watching this guys channel. The amount of people now in the US who choose (or cant) apply any logic to a situation and just argue black is white has been truly astonishing to me. I fear the whole world is just going this way. (but America is in the vanguard)
PS - everyone should give this guy a watch - he's bright and funny - and trying to save his own democracy.
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It is just astonishing.
I thought that it was bad enough prior to the 2016 election when Alex Jones was calling Mrs Clinton a demon. He said that he'd spoken to members of her security detail and that they'd told him that she, Clinton, smelt of sulphur. People believed it and took it as proof that she is evil.
Now this recently story of people hearing the words Post Birth Abortion and thinking it could even be a thing is beyond me.
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:35 - Aug 22 by Tangledupin_Blue
It is just astonishing.
I thought that it was bad enough prior to the 2016 election when Alex Jones was calling Mrs Clinton a demon. He said that he'd spoken to members of her security detail and that they'd told him that she, Clinton, smelt of sulphur. People believed it and took it as proof that she is evil.
Now this recently story of people hearing the words Post Birth Abortion and thinking it could even be a thing is beyond me.
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There is becoming a complete void of logical and intelligent thought. Partly fuelled by people sharing ignorant views in large number on social media.
I cant remember exactly where I heard this discussed but there is a line of thought, that with all the problems in the world, a significant number of people would accept a supposed strong dictator to just rule over them with promises of everything is and will be great - just to take away the collective responsibility of democracy.
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:45 - Aug 22 by nodge_blue
There is becoming a complete void of logical and intelligent thought. Partly fuelled by people sharing ignorant views in large number on social media.
I cant remember exactly where I heard this discussed but there is a line of thought, that with all the problems in the world, a significant number of people would accept a supposed strong dictator to just rule over them with promises of everything is and will be great - just to take away the collective responsibility of democracy.
The really fervent supporters are bizarre.
I saw pictures of people walking around with pretend cups of semen the other day, something to do with the Democrat VP candidate having used some form of fertility treatment whereas the Republican hadn't.
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:45 - Aug 22 by nodge_blue
There is becoming a complete void of logical and intelligent thought. Partly fuelled by people sharing ignorant views in large number on social media.
I cant remember exactly where I heard this discussed but there is a line of thought, that with all the problems in the world, a significant number of people would accept a supposed strong dictator to just rule over them with promises of everything is and will be great - just to take away the collective responsibility of democracy.
I fear we may be underestimating the deleterious impact and effect of modern social media on the way society operates and thinks (not to mention mental health).
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 10:08 - Aug 22 with 2843 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:03 - Aug 22 by Europablue
Wind your head in. "Nugget of Truth" means "a small amount of truth in a generally untrue statement". The nugget of truth is that Northam was talking about ending a life of a baby after it is born. The context is that he is talking about giving palliative care. The way he phrased it was clumsy and allowed for it to sound quite bad taken out of context.
There are a lot of radical Democrats on the issue of abortion. It isn't a very fertile debate to focus on the extreme edge cases of people who advocate for post-birth abortion or banning condoms.
There is a whole problem with the concept of a woman's right to choose that is not addressed in mainstream discourse. Any reasonable person would accept that post-birth abortion (AKA infanticide) is monstrous. There are a sizeable number of Democrats that believe that a woman should have the right to abortion any time during pregnancy. Whilst I don't agree that abortion should be banned, the religious argument about the sanctity of life is at least consistent. Consent doesn't make a difference to whether the life of the baby has value.
I personally think that the issue of abortion should not be so taboo and the discussion should focus on the time limit on abortions.
So not even a nugget of truth at all then.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 10:34 - Aug 22 with 2748 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:08 - Aug 22 by nodge_blue
Ive been watching this guys channel. The amount of people now in the US who choose (or cant) apply any logic to a situation and just argue black is white has been truly astonishing to me. I fear the whole world is just going this way. (but America is in the vanguard)
PS - everyone should give this guy a watch - he's bright and funny - and trying to save his own democracy.
[Post edited 22 Aug 2024 9:20]
I think 'The Good Liars' on Twitter gives you a good idea of the mental capacity of the people at these Trump rallies. I think it's very eye-opening because in this country, we just dismiss those people as being stupid, but you really don't understand the level of widespread misinformation which they have come to believe as being true. A lot of these people should probably be sectioned. IMO Social media, YouTube etc looks to be an underlying cause of their mental decline.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 11:05 - Aug 22 with 2693 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 10:08 - Aug 22 by Blueschev
So not even a nugget of truth at all then.
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It really depends on your idea of the size of a nugget. In this case the nugget is vanishingly small, but when it is taken out out context and you know what other opinions on abortion some people have in the Democrat party, then for many it doesn't seem like much of a leap. Some people will say that it is the slipping of the mask and that is his true belief. I would demand much further proof to actually accuse him of supporting infanticide.
As I said before, I think more fertile ground for discussion is time limits on abortion. I feel like I'm pretty moderate on the issue. The concept of a woman's right to choose is extreme if that includes 30 week selective abortions.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 11:13 - Aug 22 with 2655 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 09:08 - Aug 22 by redrickstuhaart
Your views and comments are persistently abhorrent. Your nudge nudge wink wink support of active misinformation is disgusting.
There is no nugget of truth in the bizarre spreading of the idea if post birth abortions. Stop jutifying lies and division.
Tell me exactly what views of mine you find abhorrent.
You really need to stop jumping to conclusions where did you get "Your nudge nudge wink wink support of active misinformation" from? I'll grant you that there is a nugget of truth in there because I didn't just immediately agree with exactly what you said.
Seriously though, did linking an article that explained the whole situation in a fairly unbiased manner and concluded that it wasn't a justifiable conclusion providing support for misinformation? It's impossible to have any kind of discourse with people like you who are so wedded to your beliefs that you can't bear to hear another perspective or a slightly different interpretation of a turn of phrase.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 11:18 - Aug 22 with 2635 views
Christ, I need to move back to England... These idiots are everywhere. If Trump wins in November, I'm out.
Did Trump being in charge from 2016 to 2020 materially change your life? From the outside looking in it seems like the Republicans are more interested in legislation on the state level, whereas the Democrats seem more interested in legislating nationally. So I'd imagine that it's better to be in a Democrat state under Trump than a Republican state under the Democrats.
People who saw that Trump being president wasn't really a disaster and the world went on quite fine contrary to claims that it was very dangerous for him to be elected. It's very difficult to trust those same people when they say that the sky is falling again.
The reason that Trump has a good chance of getting elected is the poor job that the Democrats have done with maybe the least competent President in history. Eventually the Republicans will do a bad job and the Democrats will reform to be more centrist and they will get in again.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:25 - Aug 22 with 2419 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 11:13 - Aug 22 by Europablue
Tell me exactly what views of mine you find abhorrent.
You really need to stop jumping to conclusions where did you get "Your nudge nudge wink wink support of active misinformation" from? I'll grant you that there is a nugget of truth in there because I didn't just immediately agree with exactly what you said.
Seriously though, did linking an article that explained the whole situation in a fairly unbiased manner and concluded that it wasn't a justifiable conclusion providing support for misinformation? It's impossible to have any kind of discourse with people like you who are so wedded to your beliefs that you can't bear to hear another perspective or a slightly different interpretation of a turn of phrase.
I have told you several times which views are abhorrent. Just today, in this thread, where you have actively sought to justify grossly offensive misinformation, and another thread in which you have dogwhistled the "white people matter too" trope.
There is no "nugget of truth". The ONLY reasonable position on it is to be appalled at the dishonesty of the campaigning and misinformation. But your position is to claim a nugget of truth and seek to partly justify it.
Then you seek to equate anti white racism with the other issues in that discussion.
It is impossible to have logical discourse with someone unable to see the problems with their own position.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:27 - Aug 22 with 2406 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:20 - Aug 22 by Europablue
Did Trump being in charge from 2016 to 2020 materially change your life? From the outside looking in it seems like the Republicans are more interested in legislation on the state level, whereas the Democrats seem more interested in legislating nationally. So I'd imagine that it's better to be in a Democrat state under Trump than a Republican state under the Democrats.
People who saw that Trump being president wasn't really a disaster and the world went on quite fine contrary to claims that it was very dangerous for him to be elected. It's very difficult to trust those same people when they say that the sky is falling again.
The reason that Trump has a good chance of getting elected is the poor job that the Democrats have done with maybe the least competent President in history. Eventually the Republicans will do a bad job and the Democrats will reform to be more centrist and they will get in again.
Yes Trump materially changed all our lives with his approach to politics, the danger he created in the world vis a vis Russia, the normalisation of outright lies, bigotry and simply brazening out any act of non-integrity.
This has emboldened some of the worst elements in western society, and provided a blueprint, and a baseline for the stuff which Boris proceeded to pull, with direct effect on this nation and its democratic systems.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:35 - Aug 22 with 2375 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:27 - Aug 22 by redrickstuhaart
Yes Trump materially changed all our lives with his approach to politics, the danger he created in the world vis a vis Russia, the normalisation of outright lies, bigotry and simply brazening out any act of non-integrity.
This has emboldened some of the worst elements in western society, and provided a blueprint, and a baseline for the stuff which Boris proceeded to pull, with direct effect on this nation and its democratic systems.
Don't forget packing the supreme court with extremely right wing judges and its impact on things like Roe v. Wade.
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:39 - Aug 22 with 2347 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:27 - Aug 22 by redrickstuhaart
Yes Trump materially changed all our lives with his approach to politics, the danger he created in the world vis a vis Russia, the normalisation of outright lies, bigotry and simply brazening out any act of non-integrity.
This has emboldened some of the worst elements in western society, and provided a blueprint, and a baseline for the stuff which Boris proceeded to pull, with direct effect on this nation and its democratic systems.
Talking of Russia, I finished watching the 'Gorbachev, Heaven' documentary from the Storyville strand on the iPlayer last night and was struck by the thought of how similar Trump is to Yeltsin. Except that Boris (I know that is not the one you were talking about in your second paragraph) could really drink. But then, Trump doesn't need to drink because he always sounds like the old drunk man sitting by himself in the corner of the pub on a Friday evening (description courtesy of Kevin Bridges.)
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:20 - Aug 22 by Europablue
Did Trump being in charge from 2016 to 2020 materially change your life? From the outside looking in it seems like the Republicans are more interested in legislation on the state level, whereas the Democrats seem more interested in legislating nationally. So I'd imagine that it's better to be in a Democrat state under Trump than a Republican state under the Democrats.
People who saw that Trump being president wasn't really a disaster and the world went on quite fine contrary to claims that it was very dangerous for him to be elected. It's very difficult to trust those same people when they say that the sky is falling again.
The reason that Trump has a good chance of getting elected is the poor job that the Democrats have done with maybe the least competent President in history. Eventually the Republicans will do a bad job and the Democrats will reform to be more centrist and they will get in again.
Trump organised the botched withdrawl from Afghanistan which has caused untold suffering within that country and a tide of refugees seeking safety elsewhere
Trump failed to respond appropriately to Covid, deaths in the USA during the pandemic nearly reached 1 million due to his stupidity and recklessness
Trump emboldened Putin and therefore is partially to blame for the invasion of Ukraine and bears some responsibility for the death and suffering there
Trump is an abhorrent human being who has no place near the levers of power
He is a skidmark in the underpants of the civilised World and you are an apologist for him
As for Biden being the least competent President..... maybe I could refer you to William Henry Harrison who died after 32 days in office, allegedly from flu/pneumonia contracted whist making an overlong inaugural speech
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Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 13:56 - Aug 22 with 2127 views
Trump and Post Birth Abortions... on 12:25 - Aug 22 by redrickstuhaart
I have told you several times which views are abhorrent. Just today, in this thread, where you have actively sought to justify grossly offensive misinformation, and another thread in which you have dogwhistled the "white people matter too" trope.
There is no "nugget of truth". The ONLY reasonable position on it is to be appalled at the dishonesty of the campaigning and misinformation. But your position is to claim a nugget of truth and seek to partly justify it.
Then you seek to equate anti white racism with the other issues in that discussion.
It is impossible to have logical discourse with someone unable to see the problems with their own position.
In you mind I might have "actively sought to justify grossly offensive misinformation". I explained to you that I linked an article and said that they extrapolated it from there. You need to understand the difference between explaining something or how it may have happened and justifying it. Pinpoint a particular phrase or it does feel like it's just a witch hunt. Ironically you saying that I dog whistled is dog whistling me. It's all about what you think I said of what you want me to have said. You obviously don't like me. It's either something I said on another thread, you don't like someone who gives any other perspective to yours, or something else. Aside from what you projected on me, tell me if you disagree with any of the comments I made about abortion. I'm not going to answer something about what I said on another thread. I go and reply there. "It is impossible to have logical discourse with someone unable to see the problems with their own position." I do agree with you there, and I would add that it is impossible to have logical discourse with someone who is unwilling to examine their own position.
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In this case the nugget is vanishingly small, but when it is taken out out context and you know what other opinions on abortion some people have in the Democrat party, then for many it doesn't seem like much of a leap. Some people will say that it is the slipping of the mask and that is his true belief. I would demand much further proof to actually accuse him of supporting infanticide. 
