| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… 10:24 - Aug 25 with 3027 views | brazil1981 |
Especially for £30 million! So if we narrowly stayed up but he turned out to be useless, we’d be stuck with him along with the enormous wages!
Not upset this one has fallen through tbh! |  | | |  |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 10:32 - Aug 25 with 2930 views | urbanpenguin |
I don't think anybody here has seen the details of any legal agreement related to an obligation.
I suspect that if we got him *and* we stayed up, his goals would be an important part of it and so it pays for itself with future premier money, and if he wasn't too score we'd likely not stay up so don't buy.
But everybody running off on assumptions about a deeply complicated and legally managed contract is a bit weird, unless you know something about it? |  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 10:37 - Aug 25 with 2884 views | trncbluearmy |
Has it fallen through completely yet?
But agree, so much can go wrong with this type of contract, also open to all kinds of litigation if one of the parties does not want to complete on it.
This type of contract should not be allowed and ITFC should not get involved
Also the Philigene type contract, whilst not quite so open to disaster is still one I hope ITFC will be very wary of in the future
ITFC are learning, hope we learn fast
COYB [Post edited 25 Aug 2024 10:39]
|  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 10:45 - Aug 25 with 2795 views | JackSwan |
I would imagine there are plenty of thresholds written into the contract that must be met/failed in order to activate that obligation. I'm less worried about that than I am paying such a sum for a player who seems to be carrying a perma-injury. |  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 11:21 - Aug 25 with 2614 views | Vegtablue |
One advantage of them is that they can enable you to recruit a higher calibre player than you'd otherwise be able to. When parent clubs are only interested in selling, but at a price you couldn't afford without further PL revenue. When players are unwilling to sign permanently for relegation favourites, but would be happy to on condition that the club proves itself able to survive.
I've mentioned before, but loans with obligation have little additional risk compared to buying players normally, who haven't been in the building before (for instance Muric, Greaves, Clarke etc.). In the instance of Broja it would carry less risk due to the relegation break clause. They are permanent transfers in essence, albeit sometimes with caveats. I can understand the psychological distinction for fans, but it's no different to buying an expensive player on X-length contract, only for them to have a useless first season as a permanent signing. Once that psychological barrier is removed, what's left is the unchartered territory of £30M transfer fees and how nervous that makes us.
Another advantage is that you may develop the player for your own club, rather than grow and improve them for another once the conventional loan has expired. Option to buy loans serve the same purpose here and are ideal for the buying side, but tend to only be available when the selling side isn't so concerned in what happens to a player or has a really weak hand. Typically they're available when there isn't a great financial need to sell the player, there isn't market interest in buying him for close to a reasonable price, and the player's been ruled out as having a future for the parent club. | | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 12:20 - Aug 25 with 2441 views | DarkBrandon |
Think about it as we buy him now, pay in 12 months and can pull out if we get relegated.
The risk on him not being the player we want is no different to that of any of our other signings (other than the price) |  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 12:56 - Aug 25 with 2269 views | BloomBlue |
I really cannot believe the quotes we're paying £30m at the end of season ontop of the loan costs is correct.
Chelsea sold Gallagher, A proven Prem league player, for £35m
There is no way Gallagher is only worth only £5m more than Broja, especially given Broja's performances at Fulham. |  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:03 - Aug 25 with 2215 views | Asa |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 12:56 - Aug 25 by BloomBlue |
I really cannot believe the quotes we're paying £30m at the end of season ontop of the loan costs is correct.
Chelsea sold Gallagher, A proven Prem league player, for £35m
There is no way Gallagher is only worth only £5m more than Broja, especially given Broja's performances at Fulham. |
Didn’t Broja play 82 minutes at Fulham.
Keep seeing no goals in 8 games but it was 0 goals in 1 game effectively I thought.
So he played 10 minutes per match on average! | | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:18 - Aug 25 with 2131 views | Facefacts |
£30 mill is too much for him regardless of when it's paid. Too much risk. No surprise that we're not fighting off other interested clubs. Just another example of the shark infested pool of players available to us, among all the other barriers to entry, as we try to breach the Premier League. |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:20 - Aug 25 with 2111 views | PhilTWTD |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 12:56 - Aug 25 by BloomBlue |
I really cannot believe the quotes we're paying £30m at the end of season ontop of the loan costs is correct.
Chelsea sold Gallagher, A proven Prem league player, for £35m
There is no way Gallagher is only worth only £5m more than Broja, especially given Broja's performances at Fulham. |
It's an overall deal worth that, not the fee. |  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:24 - Aug 25 with 2043 views | BABLUE |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:20 - Aug 25 by PhilTWTD |
It's an overall deal worth that, not the fee. |
Including wages over the length of the 5 year contract.
Assuming he’s on £50k a week that’s £12.5m over 5 years & leaves £17.5m as a loan and transfer fee.
That’s a lot more reasonable |  | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:52 - Aug 25 with 1938 views | BloomBlue |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:24 - Aug 25 by BABLUE |
Including wages over the length of the 5 year contract.
Assuming he’s on £50k a week that’s £12.5m over 5 years & leaves £17.5m as a loan and transfer fee.
That’s a lot more reasonable |
I've never known them to include wages when announcing a deal. Or is that just the portion of his wages while he's onloan.
Although I'm under the impression that is one of the sticking points, a wage reduction from Chelsea. I get the impression he's on more than 50k at Chelsea, closer to 80-85k | | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:56 - Aug 25 with 1911 views | Vegtablue |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:52 - Aug 25 by BloomBlue |
I've never known them to include wages when announcing a deal. Or is that just the portion of his wages while he's onloan.
Although I'm under the impression that is one of the sticking points, a wage reduction from Chelsea. I get the impression he's on more than 50k at Chelsea, closer to 80-85k |
Same. Loan fee this season to be included in the £30M total would be normal, but to include the player's wages across his contract wouldn't be. | | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 15:10 - Aug 25 with 1675 views | baz1978 |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 13:20 - Aug 25 by PhilTWTD |
It's an overall deal worth that, not the fee. |
Do think we will get him or not | | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 15:51 - Aug 25 with 1535 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 10:32 - Aug 25 by urbanpenguin |
I don't think anybody here has seen the details of any legal agreement related to an obligation.
I suspect that if we got him *and* we stayed up, his goals would be an important part of it and so it pays for itself with future premier money, and if he wasn't too score we'd likely not stay up so don't buy.
But everybody running off on assumptions about a deeply complicated and legally managed contract is a bit weird, unless you know something about it? |
If, as reported, it’s an obligation to buy if we stay up, that’s as simple a scenario as you could imagine. Nothing complicated about it at all. We either stay up and have to buy him, or we don’t and don’t.
It’s then another issue as to the contribution he could make. Could be good, could be poor. Irrespective, we’d be committed if we stay up, so OP’s point is not an unreasonable possible scenario. As is yours. He could be crucial to staying up, he could not be. We’ve got goals in us from other players, so it’s no guarantee it would be his goals that keep us in the league. |  |
| |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 16:20 - Aug 25 with 1457 views | PhilTWTD |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 15:10 - Aug 25 by baz1978 |
Do think we will get him or not |
I'm thinking not. | | | |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 16:26 - Aug 25 with 1377 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Broja - these loan deals with a compelled to buy clause worry me… on 16:20 - Aug 25 by PhilTWTD |
I'm thinking not. |
I know the feeling. It hurts your brain when you do! |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
