| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland 17:18 - Sep 7 with 9355 views | JackNorthStand |
Cringe. |  | | |  |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:39 - Sep 8 with 2380 views | BarcaBlue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:33 - Sep 8 by bluejacko |
Are you stupid? The people in NI made a decision 100yrs ago to stay in the UK so no we don’t occupy anything. NI is a separate country from the republic so don’t try and rewrite history. |
I'm guessing history isn't one of your strong points. |  | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:45 - Sep 8 with 2356 views | bluejacko |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:39 - Sep 8 by BarcaBlue |
I'm guessing history isn't one of your strong points. |
Please point out where I’m wrong? Oh and just for your info Ulster when partition occurred was 9 county’s where NI is now 6 ! [Post edited 8 Sep 2024 12:52]
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:03 - Sep 8 with 2287 views | Superblue95 |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:33 - Sep 8 by bluejacko |
Are you stupid? The people in NI made a decision 100yrs ago to stay in the UK so no we don’t occupy anything. NI is a separate country from the republic so don’t try and rewrite history. |
Calls the Republic of Ireland a home nation.
Claims the North voted to stay under British rule over 100 years ago.
Calls others stupid.
Beautiful stuff |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:05 - Sep 8 with 2271 views | BarcaBlue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:45 - Sep 8 by bluejacko |
Please point out where I’m wrong? Oh and just for your info Ulster when partition occurred was 9 county’s where NI is now 6 ! [Post edited 8 Sep 2024 12:52]
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"So no, we didn't occupy anything"
Apart from Ireland but maybe you missed that class. | | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:14 - Sep 8 with 2249 views | bluejacko |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:03 - Sep 8 by Superblue95 |
Calls the Republic of Ireland a home nation.
Claims the North voted to stay under British rule over 100 years ago.
Calls others stupid.
Beautiful stuff |
You know as well as I do what I meant by a home nation it might as well be by the coverage they get when it comes to football🙄 where did I say a vote was had.? The fact remains there is an international border on the Island of Ireland so that is two different countries!
Now pray do tell where I have got it wrong as when I cross that border it makes it quite clear I am in either the south or north. Beautiful ain’t it?
And as an aside even IF there was a vote here in the north to rejoin the south they have a say in it as well and discussing the subject on anther forum the consensus was 73% were in favour of it until the costs involved were made clear and the the % droped to 33👍 [Post edited 8 Sep 2024 13:49]
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:25 - Sep 8 with 2213 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:45 - Sep 8 by bluejacko |
Please point out where I’m wrong? Oh and just for your info Ulster when partition occurred was 9 county’s where NI is now 6 ! [Post edited 8 Sep 2024 12:52]
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Should only have been 4 of course. |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:28 - Sep 8 with 2195 views | ArmaghBlue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:25 - Sep 8 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Should only have been 4 of course. |
But it is not. No point arguing about it on a football forum  |  | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:48 - Sep 8 with 2144 views | NedPlimpton |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 10:23 - Sep 8 by Leaky |
Your saying you had no idea what you were doing at 20 years old. You were old enough to vote, get p!ssed & die in battle. I know people who a mortgage & kids at 20! |
Yep, I'm 100% saying that and owning it
I was at uni getting off my head every day! Definitely shouldn't have been trusted to make decisions about my international career knowing that people would be having a go at me on an internet forum for it years later |  | | |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:29 - Sep 8 with 1952 views | noggin |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 09:36 - Sep 8 by bluejacko |
Well of course you are correct but whenever they do actually manage to get to a tournament we are all supposed to gush over the little old Irish! Now if you want to go back into history surely every body has a reason to boo each others anthem! Most people have grown up and even at Wembley the anthems are respected.
Still it’s alright to disrespect the British/English anthem isn’t it🙄
History is history and no amount of handwringing can change it move on! |
"Now if you want to go back into history surely every body has a reason to boo each others anthem!"
What historical reason have the English got to boo the Irish anthem? |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:34 - Sep 8 with 1932 views | vapour_trail |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:33 - Sep 8 by bluejacko |
Are you stupid? The people in NI made a decision 100yrs ago to stay in the UK so no we don’t occupy anything. NI is a separate country from the republic so don’t try and rewrite history. |
Whether I am stupid is an objective point. You might think so and I’d likely agree.
Whether we occupy said percentage of the island of Ireland isn’t objective at all however. It’s a fact.
Whereas what you’ve written is complete bo11ocks. |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 02:05 - Sep 9 with 1741 views | JackNorthStand |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 08:59 - Sep 8 by NedPlimpton |
My god mate, he was 19 when he played for Ireland and 20 when he made the decision to switch. I didn't have a clue what I was doing at that age!
He's still only 25 and has made the decision to not celebrate against a country that he has previously represented. It doesn't make him any worse at football and it doesn't mean he's unpatriotic or not proud to play for England |
Have a different opinion is ok Ned. Have a great day. | | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 06:57 - Sep 9 with 1661 views | Reuser_is_God |
Utter woke nonsense |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 07:06 - Sep 9 with 1645 views | Benters |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 17:21 - Sep 7 by skinnybob72 |
He’ll be playing for Wales next. |
Hope so he would have to change his name to Di Rice though. |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 07:22 - Sep 9 with 1592 views | NeedhamChris |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 06:57 - Sep 9 by Reuser_is_God |
Utter woke nonsense |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 10:29 - Sep 9 with 1496 views | bluejacko |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:34 - Sep 8 by vapour_trail |
Whether I am stupid is an objective point. You might think so and I’d likely agree.
Whether we occupy said percentage of the island of Ireland isn’t objective at all however. It’s a fact.
Whereas what you’ve written is complete bo11ocks. |
Let’s go back then shall we first of I shouldn’t have been triggered by what you said.
Now as to us “ occupying “ any part of Ireland is nonsense. When the ROI was formed the six counties that now form NI did not leave the union so they have never been part of the ROI.
As they never left and were part of the union before partition you could argue that NI is actually an older state than the south. However no matter what way you try to dress it up the FACT remains there are TWO countries on the island of Ireland.now have a nice day the sun is actually out today here in NI so I’m going to enjoy it cheerio. | | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 10:36 - Sep 9 with 1492 views | Radlett_blue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:19 - Sep 7 by CrayonKing |
Should be that if you hold a passport for a country then you can play for them. It shouldn’t be for FIFA to tell people what nationality they are |
the existence of the 4 home countries is a huge complication, with the historic relationship with Ireland complicating it even more. The "passport" idea seems pretty fair to me overall, but it wouldn't stop essentially Englishmen declaring eligibility for Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. I agree that if someone actually holds a UK & Irish passport, they should be entitled to choose. |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 11:26 - Sep 9 with 1429 views | noggin |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 10:29 - Sep 9 by bluejacko |
Let’s go back then shall we first of I shouldn’t have been triggered by what you said.
Now as to us “ occupying “ any part of Ireland is nonsense. When the ROI was formed the six counties that now form NI did not leave the union so they have never been part of the ROI.
As they never left and were part of the union before partition you could argue that NI is actually an older state than the south. However no matter what way you try to dress it up the FACT remains there are TWO countries on the island of Ireland.now have a nice day the sun is actually out today here in NI so I’m going to enjoy it cheerio. |
Ah, but I was born in the north, yet am an Irish citizen. I have never lived in the south, nor have any of my close family. [Post edited 9 Sep 2024 11:27]
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 11:53 - Sep 9 with 1374 views | rickw |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:19 - Sep 7 by CrayonKing |
Should be that if you hold a passport for a country then you can play for them. It shouldn’t be for FIFA to tell people what nationality they are |
Well it was like this until Qatar started giving out passports to uncapped Brazilians who had never even been there, now you have to live there for 5 years to be able to claim a passport.
Spain won the Euro's with 2 French defenders (Laporte and LeNormand) who played for Spanish teams for 5 years and got Spanish passports |  |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:09 - Sep 9 with 1362 views | CrayonKing |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 11:53 - Sep 9 by rickw |
Well it was like this until Qatar started giving out passports to uncapped Brazilians who had never even been there, now you have to live there for 5 years to be able to claim a passport.
Spain won the Euro's with 2 French defenders (Laporte and LeNormand) who played for Spanish teams for 5 years and got Spanish passports |
I don’t see the Spain thing as a problem. If someone’s made their home somewhere and that country calls them a citizen and grants them a passport then that should be good enough. I’d even go so far as to say that if Qatar want to devalue their citizenship by handing it out to anyone half-good at football then that’s their prerogative and not an issue for FIFA, although I can see why that’s more controversial!
Where it does get more complicated is the home nations and other nations which have their own FAs etc but not their own passports. Not sure there’d be much support for merging the home nations ;) |  | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:15 - Sep 9 with 1339 views | Europablue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:46 - Sep 7 by JackNorthStand |
As soon as he developed and England came calling he turned his back on Ireland. Now he wants to show Ireland respect by not celebrating a goal for England.
That’s not for me, he may as well of celebrated like he won the World Cup at least he would be being true to himself. |
It's a bit pathetic of some Irish fans to be complaining that we stole Rice and Grealish off them when they have the most heritage players playing for them. Why does grandparent's nationality even come into it? | | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:19 - Sep 9 with 1333 views | Europablue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 18:29 - Sep 8 by noggin |
"Now if you want to go back into history surely every body has a reason to boo each others anthem!"
What historical reason have the English got to boo the Irish anthem? |
The IRA terrorist bombings. | | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:25 - Sep 9 with 1318 views | noggin |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:19 - Sep 9 by Europablue |
The IRA terrorist bombings. |
Is that a reason to boo the Irish national anthem? Maybe Liverpool fans are right to boo GSTK then. | |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:26 - Sep 9 with 1215 views | Europablue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 12:25 - Sep 9 by noggin |
Is that a reason to boo the Irish national anthem? Maybe Liverpool fans are right to boo GSTK then. |
Not a recent issue I'd say. | | | |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:30 - Sep 9 with 1194 views | noggin |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:26 - Sep 9 by Europablue |
Not a recent issue I'd say. |
What isn't? | |
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| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 13:34 - Sep 9 with 1162 views | Europablue |
| Declan rice not celebrating / almost apologising goal v Ireland on 10:29 - Sep 9 by bluejacko |
Let’s go back then shall we first of I shouldn’t have been triggered by what you said.
Now as to us “ occupying “ any part of Ireland is nonsense. When the ROI was formed the six counties that now form NI did not leave the union so they have never been part of the ROI.
As they never left and were part of the union before partition you could argue that NI is actually an older state than the south. However no matter what way you try to dress it up the FACT remains there are TWO countries on the island of Ireland.now have a nice day the sun is actually out today here in NI so I’m going to enjoy it cheerio. |
For England/Britain to be occupying Ireland then your concept of nationality would have to be based on race, otherwise whoever is currently living there is Irish even if they were originally English. If the people of NI democratically want to be governed by England/Britain, then that surely is their right.
The way that England was invaded by the Romans, Vikings, and French is so far back in history that no-one in living memory really cares or even remembers. Obviously, the case of Ireland is more recent, but not so recent as it being a more clear-cut as an invasion is these days.
For the many people, especially young people, they feel more like a citizen of the world and as long as their life is fairly prosperous, then they don't even think about politics. | | | |
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