| Think this lineup is worth a try 23:00 - Sep 21 with 3553 views | ITFCed |
Muric
Axel Woolf Greaves Davis
Morsy Phillips
Ogbene Szmodics Clarke
Delap
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:04 - Sep 21 with 3248 views | FrimleyBlue |
If we are dropping a cb because of mistakes today then greaves gets the chop.
If sensible and basing it on ability then oshea and greaves as cbs is spot on.
P.s. I'm not dissing greaves btw. But for some reason oshea who was our strongest cb today has become the worst and needs dropping. [Post edited 21 Sep 2024 23:07]
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:06 - Sep 21 with 3242 views | ITFCed |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:04 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
If we are dropping a cb because of mistakes today then greaves gets the chop.
If sensible and basing it on ability then oshea and greaves as cbs is spot on.
P.s. I'm not dissing greaves btw. But for some reason oshea who was our strongest cb today has become the worst and needs dropping. [Post edited 21 Sep 2024 23:07]
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Greaves is first after Morsy on the teamsheet | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:09 - Sep 21 with 3189 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:06 - Sep 21 by ITFCed |
Greaves is first after Morsy on the teamsheet |
I agree
However It's interesting that none of his mistakes have been discussed today, not even his awkwardness for their goal yet oshea took daggers despite imo actually being better than greaves today.
If you're gonna moan about a defender ( not you btw ) then at least moan about the worst one lol | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:14 - Sep 21 with 3170 views | pointofblue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:04 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
If we are dropping a cb because of mistakes today then greaves gets the chop.
If sensible and basing it on ability then oshea and greaves as cbs is spot on.
P.s. I'm not dissing greaves btw. But for some reason oshea who was our strongest cb today has become the worst and needs dropping. [Post edited 21 Sep 2024 23:07]
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O'Shea our strongest centre back today... Miskicked to Tuanzebe to start the move for their goal. Outmuscled and out-paced by Archer who then, luckily for us, hit the post. Out-paced for Archer's chance in the second half which led to a great Muric save. Their three best chances came, in some shape or form, through O'Shea.
The call has been made. McKenna has made his bed so will now lie in it. But having the ability is one thing; he also needs to show it. And all three of those issues noted above has nothing to do with still getting to know his team mates etc. | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:51 - Sep 21 with 3075 views | HighgateBlue |
Dropping Hutchinson is unnecessarily harsh. |  | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:53 - Sep 21 with 3051 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:09 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
I agree
However It's interesting that none of his mistakes have been discussed today, not even his awkwardness for their goal yet oshea took daggers despite imo actually being better than greaves today.
If you're gonna moan about a defender ( not you btw ) then at least moan about the worst one lol |
Greaves the worst defender?
Stop embarrassing yourself | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:54 - Sep 21 with 3038 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Would love to see that. I do think Clarke and Davis get in each others way a bit though | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 07:54 - Sep 22 with 2732 views | BloomBlue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:04 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
If we are dropping a cb because of mistakes today then greaves gets the chop.
If sensible and basing it on ability then oshea and greaves as cbs is spot on.
P.s. I'm not dissing greaves btw. But for some reason oshea who was our strongest cb today has become the worst and needs dropping. [Post edited 21 Sep 2024 23:07]
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You obviously missed the 2 occasions Archer simply walked past O'Shea as he headed towards the goal and nearly scored twice. The one thing O'Shea wasn't today, was our strongest CB. |  | | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 08:08 - Sep 22 with 2690 views | cressi |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 07:54 - Sep 22 by BloomBlue |
You obviously missed the 2 occasions Archer simply walked past O'Shea as he headed towards the goal and nearly scored twice. The one thing O'Shea wasn't today, was our strongest CB. |
Everyone has a different view
I think wolfenden has been extremely unlucky and O'Shea at present is very fortunate its the playing out from the back Wolfenden much better at present.
There are around 6 or 7 definite starters and the other 4 places are up for grabs in my view. | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 08:17 - Sep 22 with 2665 views | MK1 |
Muric
Johnson, Axel, Greaves, Davis
Morsy, Phillips
Hutchinson, Szmodics, Clarke
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 09:10 - Sep 22 with 2553 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 07:54 - Sep 22 by BloomBlue |
You obviously missed the 2 occasions Archer simply walked past O'Shea as he headed towards the goal and nearly scored twice. The one thing O'Shea wasn't today, was our strongest CB. |
No I saw them. But like I said I also saw the high amount of mistakes by greaves. I mean sure oshea miskicked the ball into the lead up to their goal. But how has greaves escaped any form of criticism for his poor effort at intercepting the ball that ended up on the back of the net.
Look I love greaves but I just think if people are calling out oshea then be fair and discuss greaves mistakes yesterday which there were alot of. Otherwise it seems a bit agendered because wolfys not in the team | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 09:16 - Sep 22 with 2538 views | MalcolmBlue |
Or maybe we just give O’Shea time to settle in and get used to the system and playing with Greaves. Partnerships take time to develop, they’ve played two games together and only conceded one goal.
It’s the PL we won’t get clean sheets every week and even in the championship we didn’t do this. The main difference between us so far this season and last season is actually scoring goals. We are in a tougher league and need to become more ruthless as well get fewer chances, this will hopefully come in time as well. In McKenna we trust! |  |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 09:19 - Sep 22 with 2513 views | nodge_blue |
Im not having a starting 11 without Hutchinson.
For me though he should be wide right where I think he has been his most effective. |  |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 10:11 - Sep 22 with 2433 views | tcblue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 08:08 - Sep 22 by cressi |
Everyone has a different view
I think wolfenden has been extremely unlucky and O'Shea at present is very fortunate its the playing out from the back Wolfenden much better at present.
There are around 6 or 7 definite starters and the other 4 places are up for grabs in my view. |
O'Shea was great against Brighton, but I think our front line badly let the defence down yesterday.
Woolfy, "one of our own" doesn't help him. You have folks proclaiming him to be Beckenbuh-er and others who give him pelters to be edgy. IMO, I don't think there's much between any of our first team CBs other than Greaves being head and shoulders above. | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:41 - Sep 22 with 2325 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:14 - Sep 21 by pointofblue |
O'Shea our strongest centre back today... Miskicked to Tuanzebe to start the move for their goal. Outmuscled and out-paced by Archer who then, luckily for us, hit the post. Out-paced for Archer's chance in the second half which led to a great Muric save. Their three best chances came, in some shape or form, through O'Shea.
The call has been made. McKenna has made his bed so will now lie in it. But having the ability is one thing; he also needs to show it. And all three of those issues noted above has nothing to do with still getting to know his team mates etc. |
As if you're giving O'Shea more blame for the miskick over Tuanzebe not leathering it into row Z. |  |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:44 - Sep 22 with 2309 views | BlueOsterClub |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:06 - Sep 21 by ITFCed |
Greaves is first after Morsy on the teamsheet |
then he is second on the team sheet! You can't be first after someone | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:44 - Sep 22 with 2300 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:41 - Sep 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As if you're giving O'Shea more blame for the miskick over Tuanzebe not leathering it into row Z. |
Strange isn't it. If miskick went to a Southampton player they'd have a point but it didn't. Axel had an easy out and blew it. | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:47 - Sep 22 with 2296 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:41 - Sep 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As if you're giving O'Shea more blame for the miskick over Tuanzebe not leathering it into row Z. |
Tuanzebe worst offender in that moment , but that said doesn't mean it wasn't a miskick.
The post isn't blaming Tuanzebe less, he's just not the subject of that particular conversation | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:55 - Sep 22 with 2271 views | pointofblue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:41 - Sep 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As if you're giving O'Shea more blame for the miskick over Tuanzebe not leathering it into row Z. |
Not more blame - Tuanzebe was primarily at fault, and then Greaves lost his man. But O'Shea started the whole problem. | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 13:00 - Sep 22 with 2253 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:55 - Sep 22 by pointofblue |
Not more blame - Tuanzebe was primarily at fault, and then Greaves lost his man. But O'Shea started the whole problem. |
Lol. You're trying so hard.
What problem was caused by oshea when the ball went straight to a gown player who then had an easy out ball. | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 13:02 - Sep 22 with 2254 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 12:55 - Sep 22 by pointofblue |
Not more blame - Tuanzebe was primarily at fault, and then Greaves lost his man. But O'Shea started the whole problem. |
OK, he miskicked and put us into trouble, compounded by Axe and Greaves, so they're all at equal fault I'd say, but no one is mentioning that, only O'Shea.
If we're going down the road of miskicks, Davis should get some too for miskicking when he should have scored from Hutchinson's pass.
There seems to be a bit of a narrative forming on O'Shea, which I don't think is justified as yet. | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 15:29 - Sep 22 with 2173 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
We can do better. This team hasn't made a mistake at all for us in the Premier League:
Slicker
H Clarke Burgess Agbaje Townsend
Barbrook Manly
Carr Foyo Broadhead
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 15:51 - Sep 22 with 2130 views | BloomBlue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 09:10 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
No I saw them. But like I said I also saw the high amount of mistakes by greaves. I mean sure oshea miskicked the ball into the lead up to their goal. But how has greaves escaped any form of criticism for his poor effort at intercepting the ball that ended up on the back of the net.
Look I love greaves but I just think if people are calling out oshea then be fair and discuss greaves mistakes yesterday which there were alot of. Otherwise it seems a bit agendered because wolfys not in the team |
But that's the same as when Wolf mistakes are highlighted and others aren't - hidden agenda ? I'm not picking on you as im sure you've been consistent last season and if you highlighted a Wolf mistake in a game, you conversely highlighted the mistakes made by all the other players.
Plus I didn't highlight the goal as a mistake by O'Shea or the Archer moments as mistakes, I was highlighting the fact you said O'Shea was our strongest defender yesterday whereas both Archer moments provided the evidence he wasn't strong enough in those situations.
Look, as I said on another thread I believe he needs time to get to know the team/how we play. But based I what I've seen in the last 2 games he isn't an upgrade on Wolf, but hopefully after he understands the team more that will change. | | | |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 16:41 - Sep 22 with 2088 views | pointofblue |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 13:02 - Sep 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
OK, he miskicked and put us into trouble, compounded by Axe and Greaves, so they're all at equal fault I'd say, but no one is mentioning that, only O'Shea.
If we're going down the road of miskicks, Davis should get some too for miskicking when he should have scored from Hutchinson's pass.
There seems to be a bit of a narrative forming on O'Shea, which I don't think is justified as yet. |
Tuanzebe and Greaves have credit in the bank. The former was an absolute titan at Brighton and Greaves has been strong all season. O'Shea hasn't to same degree. Tuanzebe also was in place last season whilst Greaves appears a clear upgrade on Burgess (especially after his performance at Wimbledon) which will buy him more grace. Davis has received criticism this season, particularly after the opening two games, and even the goal conceded against Fulham.
From previous performances, O'Shea is clearly a good player. But, to me, it's understandable if people are saying he's a clear upgrade/improvement on Wooolfenden, then others are going to come back, based on his Ipswich performances, and say "Is he?" | |
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| Think this lineup is worth a try on 23:15 - Sep 22 with 1925 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Think this lineup is worth a try on 09:10 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
No I saw them. But like I said I also saw the high amount of mistakes by greaves. I mean sure oshea miskicked the ball into the lead up to their goal. But how has greaves escaped any form of criticism for his poor effort at intercepting the ball that ended up on the back of the net.
Look I love greaves but I just think if people are calling out oshea then be fair and discuss greaves mistakes yesterday which there were alot of. Otherwise it seems a bit agendered because wolfys not in the team |
It's not an agenda.
It's because there's a visible quality difference between Greaves and Burgess which doesn't exist between O'Shea and Woolf. That's it. | | | |
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